224: Redefining the Future of Sports: Golden Knights, PGA Tour, and Messi's Venture

Mathew: 0:12

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to a special edition emergency. If the emergency happened in a rural town where it takes six days for the first responders to respond, podcast of from because of the chasing daylight variety. Yeah, it's going to be a little loose night tonight. We got there's so much shit to talk about. Bob West, how you doing Bobby.

Bob West: 0:40

I'm doing great man.

Mathew: 0:41

He's here with us tonight Joe's on the show. Jeremy will be chiming in in a little bit, trey is going to be hopping on here in a little bit, cyrus is going to be hopping on a little bit because there is so much shit to talk about in the golf world. But for we got to get, we have to give a little bit of love to the Golden Knights. I mean absolutely, here comes Cyrus. Hey, there he is. What is up, mr Cyrus?

Cyrus Janssen: 1:09

What's up guys, How we doing.

Mathew: 1:10

Love the hat Good.

Bob West: 1:12

Yeah, speaking of love for the Knights there it is, yeah, yeah.

Cyrus Janssen: 1:14

My gosh, I can't believe I'm the only one wearing a Knight's hat. I went to the other closet to get it. I was like the only one.

Mathew: 1:20

I bleed gold So yeah, i got my my nice stuff right up here, right up there.

Cyrus Janssen: 1:26

That's true, fair enough, fair enough, fair point, fair point. My my.

Mathew: 1:31

After we won the first couple games. I, my jersey, has not moved from where I left it, nice. So that's going to stay right there with the gold towel and the the other towel from the game, and it's just going to sit there. So that's why I'm not decked out in my jersey. Otherwise, i like flying it pretty good.

Joe : 1:50

Yeah, i'm contemplating what kind of patches to throw my jersey. You know, I got the champion one coming. I got the Stanley Cup one here. There's so much. I spent like $200 today on stuff, i'm sure I'll be buying more $200.

Mathew: 2:04

Yeah, really more I was. You get what's up, tray? Hey we're. We're having a little Vegas golf or Vegas Golden Knights chat, real quick. I was at lifeguard arena today for my daughter skate lessons and they got a little stop shop in there for the Henderson night stuff And so I went in to see what you know Golden Knights stuff they had because they had conference champions And they had one t-shirt. All the hats were sold out and they said they apologize, but the t-shirt was a Stanley Cup t-shirt winners. It's $50. Oh nice $50 pricey. It's a fucking t-shirt, come on.

Joe : 2:40

Yeah, i bought the poster. I got the Jack Eichel logo, i got a or the Funko Pop. I got pins, flags, shirts Why not?

Mathew: 2:50

Yeah, I need to go back.

Joe : 2:51

It never happened again, man, yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.

Mathew: 2:54

It's. It's never know could be once in a lifetime. It could happen next year, it could. You never know, you never know So we were down there and it was.

Joe : 3:02

It was incredible, it was insane. They've been twice, haven't they? They've been twice, yeah, they've been twice.

Mathew: 3:08

This is the. They got kind of rocked, the first one by Washington, yeah, and the Vechkin, but yeah, they, they did the ass kick in this this time.

Cyrus Janssen: 3:17

Whooped, did they ever?

Mathew: 3:19

Oh my goodness, that was that was just.

Cyrus Janssen: 3:21

The blood was out. Blood was on the floor early 93 is brutal Yeah.

Mathew: 3:27

Yeah, and one of those was off our own player. Again. It's just, i mean, i think what for the goals that they scored in the series were off our, off our own guys? I mean that one that two bounce off the shin, off the leg. That was the ridiculous goal, yeah, that one was crazy. So, hey, congrats to all the Knights. Cyrus, we know you're friends with the Patrangelo family, so make sure you give him lots of love from the. Chasing Daylight podcast. Yeah well you know, I put in a request, Joe. I put in a request for when Patrangelo has the cup, for the day that we see it up We yes, we play some golf, so that would be nice, That would be nice.

Cyrus Janssen: 4:08

I've yet to play golf with himself, you know that would be a great time to do it.

Joe : 4:11

I'd be great time. Now it's the off season, So he's got some time on his hands. I'm sure I know Hey.

Mathew: 4:15

Alex, I know you get one day with the cup, but how about you play? golf with some strangers.

Cyrus Janssen: 4:22

Exactly, i'll see. I think they get a little bit longer than a day, though, because I know last time that he won it in 2019, he brought it back to King City, ontario, so I mean oh really Yeah. So he brought it back home to his, to his family, you know, to his. They had like a whole party.

Mathew: 4:36

Yes, we got the. we got the parade on Saturday Going to be it's going to be a wild. I mean considering how many people are outside Toshiba Plaza for the game, right, right where they're going to be showing off the cup and everybody going down the strip.

Joe : 4:53

Yeah, yeah, flamingo to drop. and then they're making a new turn and heading up into a T-Mobile arena.

Mathew: 4:58

So that's awesome Yeah it's going to be insane, so looking forward to that. All right, so that's it for the night talk for right now. Maybe we'll have some shit to throw in there along the way, but there, there's so much going on in the golfing world And I I value the people that are on the show right now. Jeremy's coming, so he's included in this. I value these guys' opinions in the golfing world on everything that takes place. I love getting other people's opinions on things and their perspective. That's how I think we learn from other people is hearing their insights and getting their opinion, and we've had some incredible stories take place. Nick Taylor, the Canadian Open how utterly unbelievable was that Part of a lifetime.

Cyrus Janssen: 5:51

You know I mean go ahead So cool. Well as as the Canadian in the group. You know, you know an American, you know dual. But let me just tell you, living in Vancouver, canada, the last five years like this has been a long time coming. Nick Taylor is a great talent from Abbotsford, british Columbia, local, local BC guy And I mean it's just what's nice, is? it really means a lot to Canada. I mean that that country, like you cannot. I mean I have so many of my buddies who were just on the edge of their seats And I mean they've been knocking on the door, but it's also just so much pressure. You know, like Mike Weir and his amazing career. I mean he came close a couple of times But I mean he was. He was kind of the only Canadian at the time that was playing well. But there's there's a handful, there's like four or five guys that are really solid right now, which is great because Royal Montreal hosts the President's Cup next year, which is going to be really great. So I think you're going to really be able to see, you know, hopefully, three or four Canadians on that team and really have a great crowd support. You know, hopefully to make that that interesting. I mean I would love to. I would love to see that. You know, i'd love to see the international's win. To be honest, i mean you need to hit. You know, for the health of that event, there needs to be an upset at some point.

Mathew: 7:04

I was. I was 100% sure that Fleetwood was making his butt, absolutely So I knew he had to get it close. I had no chance in hell that I think that was going in.

Cyrus Janssen: 7:16

That's a fairy tale Very telling.

Mathew: 7:18

Unbelievable, Bobby. You ever made a putt like that in competition.

Trey Sanders: 7:22

Are you talking about a blast? Come on now dude I made a.

Bob West: 7:26

I made a 45, 50 footer to win a big junior event that had like 12 feet of break And it was. I made the same putt from like 25 feet to start the day And then it was the first playoff hole and I made it from like 45 feet. And I gave it the Davis love flying fist pump, nice, nice. I'll never forget that one. That's awesome.

Joe : 7:50

Did you make a big one up at that Salt Lake City tournament too? Was that Colby? No, that was it It was Bob.

Bob West: 8:00

That was only 25 feet.

Trey Sanders: 8:03

Still, I mean after, after the chip it was. it was definitely a hell of a putt, That's for sure.

Bob West: 8:08

Yeah, I can't remember who duff that. Oh, it was Hodges. It was Hodges. Yeah, that's right.

Trey Sanders: 8:12

It was.

Bob West: 8:12

Dan Dan Hodges, bogey 3702 who duff that?

Mathew: 8:17

chip. Oh, that's hilarious. You know Dan is not going to be with us in Prim, So I don't know what. Bob is. Bob is not going to be in Prim Dan is Time to catch up then Yeah, so he's in. Oh, poke the bear. That's one thing you don't want to do with. Dan is poke the bear, but I think Bob's up for the challenge. I like poking the bear. Okay, so the other crazy news that took place and this has kind of been a recurring thing for us We like to record Monday nights and then the golf world likes to drop bombs on Tuesday morning. Yeah, it's happened. It's happened like three times And I mean, was there, have you guys ever recalled a crazier day in the golf world than when the PGA comes out and says they're merging with the PIF?

Bob West: 9:16

Just when Tigers escalate, crashed. Yeah that was it.

Joe : 9:20

Yeah, that was crazy.

Cyrus Janssen: 9:23

The first one.

Joe : 9:24

The first one. Oh, I remember.

Trey Sanders: 9:26

Yeah.

Cyrus Janssen: 9:27

I mean.

Trey Sanders: 9:27

I remember the first one, you know, talking about Tiger. I was in at the Golf Academy of American Orlando And in the school it was like in a business park And we had like a common area, had a couple couches, big TV, refrigerators, shit like that. Walk in and you know, there's like 30 guys just staring at the TV And I didn't see anything coming on it coming into school And I'm like looking at this, i'm like what the fuck's going?

Cyrus Janssen: 9:56

on.

Trey Sanders: 9:56

And then I see, you know, the escalate and the driveway and there's glass everywhere And I see, like you know, tiger's ex-wife takes nine iron to his head or some shit. I'm walking into class. I'm like what is going on in the golf world right now?

Cyrus Janssen: 10:15

That's pretty crazy.

Mathew: 10:16

Jeremy, welcome to the show buddy.

Jeremy: 10:18

What's up? guys Got a full. It's like the full house. This is a record.

Mathew: 10:23

This is the most people we've ever had on the show at one time. This way, we did a round table a couple of years ago in the backyard when Brian Golf was here and and the Wang.

Trey Sanders: 10:33

Wright six.

Mathew: 10:35

Yeah, But yeah. so we gave a little love to the Golden Knights. Jeremy is now officially a fan boy.

Cyrus Janssen: 10:46

Yeah, I am.

Mathew: 10:47

We welcome to the party. We kind of prevented him from watching because every time he did they lost, and so we told him he couldn't watch anymore. But last night he said I don't care I'm watching And thankfully he did, because as soon as he said that they scored seven goals.

Jeremy: 11:02

Yes, they did.

Mathew: 11:04

So you broke your jinx. They won the cup. You're a fan, everything is great.

Bob West: 11:09

Nice work, Jay.

Joe : 11:10

Thank you. It's all because of you, i know.

Mathew: 11:14

I know, So my first question to everybody about the, the PIF and PGA was can you recall a day as crazy as when this announcement came down in golf?

Jeremy: 11:30

I mean, yeah, what's? Ray was talking about Tiger. I remember when Payne Stewart died in the Plain Crash. I remember that.

Trey Sanders: 11:36

That's a good. That's another one.

Bob West: 11:38

Yeah.

Mathew: 11:38

Yeah, that is another good. Yeah, you're right.

Bob West: 11:40

That was in South Dakota. That was like 100. That was 80 miles from where I grew up, okay.

Mathew: 11:46

Is where the plane actually went down. Oh wow.

Bob West: 11:49

Yeah, i think my dad cried that day.

Jeremy: 11:51

I know him and him and the Fred couples is who we used to watch when I was little. So it was that was a shock. But I think this, this recent one, is just. I mean, it's, it's like it's shocking, but it's also is it that surprising.

Cyrus Janssen: 12:37

You know, i think the, i think the other ones as well. When you talk about Tiger's Crash and you think about, like his second crash as well, but they almost lost his life in and Payne Stewart, those are just unexpected. I think that what makes this one so crazy is that it's been a battle for 12 months, like we've been chatting about this for 12 months and then all of a sudden 180. I don't know where You know, and like no one saw that coming, and so I think that that just really amplified it a lot.

Joe : 13:02

If I recall correctly, I did mention that they'll merge one day on the show We got it on the tape.

Cyrus Janssen: 13:08

Bring it back on that tape.

Mathew: 13:09

Pretty sure I have to get you on that Yeah.

Bob West: 13:12

I see it's Joe So this is.

Mathew: 13:14

I'm going to give my take, because I've listened to countless podcasts, i've listened to countless radio shows, i've read countless articles trying to get everybody's inside take on it, and everybody is, you know, a professional about this and they all know what's happening. The reason we've waited so long to do this episode was because I had no idea what's going on And all the facts I still don't think are out. But I'm going to give my heart take on what I think transpired And then you guys can either laugh me off the show or rebut or whatever. But I'd love to hear your take on this stuff. And I'll start with. being a commissioner of a sport or is a lot like being a CEO of a company, and sometimes those people have to make decisions that look terrible in the eyes of the public. And I think what Monaham did here is I likened it to jumping on a grenade for the boys He put himself out there in the public. He's being scrutinized, he's being destroyed, he's being called a hypocrite, which all are justified by people based on what he has said in the past. But money makes the world go round, especially in golf, and I honestly believe that when he saw the camaraderie with all the players at the PGA championship and the Anagusta all of them getting along. Everybody's showing that the media is blowing this way out of proportion. These guys all respect each other. They're all still friends, they're all still hanging out. They just want to compete and they were given an unbelievable opportunity to block up their life financially for many, many years to come. But I also think Brooks winning really put it in Brooks eyes that this is what I want. I want to be out here with these guys competing in the highest level against the best competition. So, seeing the camaraderie, seeing Brooks playing the way he did And I still believe Brooks would come back to the PGA tomorrow if they let him had Monaham going I want my guys back, i want our players back and reaching out to the PIF and going okay, what do we got to do to squash this? What's it going to take? And them going this is what it's going to take And him going okay, let's do it Now. If this actually happens, kudos to them for getting it done. A lot of people don't like the fact that the PGA now has massive funding from Saudi Arabia, but, as a lot of people have said, the PGA tour has been getting money from them for a long time anyways, with the sponsorships that they have, so it's not that crazy of a deal. My biggest beef with live was the guys that were bashing the PGA tour and saying it was destroying their lives and it was, you know. They had no rights to their media and it was. They couldn't, you know, be home with their families and just bashing the PGA tour. That's what I hated about live. I didn't the money side of it. I am nowhere near a global economist to understand where and how of that money. Everybody's got their opinions of it.

Joe : 16:59

But I honest, product sucked The product.

Mathew: 17:01

Yes, well that this was before the product. We found out the product sucked. We had an idea that the product was going to suck, but yeah, it's terrible. I honestly believe Greg Norman had absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever. I think he woke up Tuesday morning to the tweets and was like what the fuck Like everybody else was? And I think they did it in secret because it's impossible to keep secrets from golfers Absolutely impossible. I mean, i'm sitting on two secrets right now in the golf world that I want to share with everybody and my tongue is bleeding me biting on it because I mean, i've been told you cannot share this. What?

Joe : 17:41

is it again?

Mathew: 17:42

Tell, us tell us man Tell us man.

Bob West: 17:44

We haven't released the podcast yet.

Cyrus Janssen: 17:45

It's just between us.

Mathew: 17:47

No, i'm trying to keep my integrity, but it's fucking hard. So imagine, imagine you know this news story, somebody's going to leak it. So, doing it behind closed doors, do it in secrecy, secrecy, ensure that it would take place. I kind of respect him for going. What is it going to take to keep my players here, make this shit go away and and move forward? I think that's what he did. I don't think he's the villain in this. I think he is a business man that made a decision to fund the PGA tour for many years to come and keep a lot of the shit that they didn't want in public from going public, and he, with one fell swoop, fixed a ton of fucking problems that were on his plate. Yeah, so now.

Joe : 18:37

now he's had a stress attack and some sort of medical situation.

Mathew: 18:42

Yeah, All right, who wants it? Who wants to go?

Trey Sanders: 18:46

I mean I'm going to be short and sweet on it. I don't really have a lot to. I mean, i have questions and I've got opinions on it, but my opinions don't really matter. My quit, my thing is is you know, if you know, with this merger, with the PIF providing more money, i'm curious, is you know the golfer as as like a business, as an entity? is it still going to remain the way it is? Or you know, much like these live guys, are they going to become a glorified employee of this? So you know what this merger is going to be and could you know that's kind of the question that I'm curious on is not so much of the goal for the competition or anything but based on what I know as a golfer who used to compete with if funny thing is Austin Truslow, the one handed, you know chipper guy, i've played a few events with him in Florida. I'm sure Bob has too. But you know, my thing is is like, as you know, when you're a professional golfer, much like you know, me and Bob being real estate agents, you know we're an independent business owner. You know we run our own business. Obviously products are different, but your product as a golfer is playing golf and making money playing golf. So my question is is you know, for the guys that are, you know, on PGA tour, are they going to get, you know, signing bonuses for the year based on performance? as it, you know. Whatever, i'm curious as, as the independent contractors, still play way, still going to be moving forward, or are they just going to be, you know, a glorified, you know the glorified employee, like I mentioned before? That's the only thing that I'm kind of just like. Everything else is just all opinionated stuff.

Mathew: 20:44

All right, Bobby, let me hear it.

Jeremy: 20:45

Oh, jeremy, go ahead. Sorry, sorry Bob, i was just going to say my, my hunch tells me that it's going to stay the same because, really, the PGA tour is still going to be how it is today. The PIF is just going to provide funding and it's going to be a majority stakeholder in the company, and I would assume that nothing would change as far as contractors go. I mean, that's basically what they are now, right? They're contractors for the PGA tour, right, and I would. I would think that wouldn't change because technically, pif is just yeah.

Trey Sanders: 21:23

It's just a bank essentially providing money, which is, you know, you make a good point. but to that and I just thought of this right now, what would I think would be cool, if they actually want to put any effort in growing the game in any way, is I would almost bring back. I don't know when they stopped, but I'm sure we all remember the worldwide of golf events that they used to do Shell's wonderful world of golf. Yeah, Shell's wonderful world of golf. Like I would love to see similar style event to that.

Cyrus Janssen: 21:55

You know we have a match, or the match right at the wind. Oh yeah, because.

Trey Sanders: 21:59

I want to see Tom Brady's coming.

Bob West: 22:01

Because I want to see Patrick home to the golf ball.

Trey Sanders: 22:04

Good Lord, yeah, i mean I might pick him, for There'll be no people in the fairway.

Mathew: 22:08

please, I might pick him first overall.

Trey Sanders: 22:10

I might pick him first overall in the fantasy football draft, but I mean come on. I don't want to watch a Super Bowl champion play golf.

Cyrus Janssen: 22:15

I'd rather.

Trey Sanders: 22:17

Anyway, but you know I'm thinking at the same time. You know you have the top 100 players or you know you have like a skin style event or I'm still on board for bringing back that old, you know, the senior LPGA, pga kind of style.

Mathew: 22:33

The Wendy's 3-2-R challenge.

Trey Sanders: 22:35

Yeah, i mean, i think something like that would be pretty cool. I mean, now that this PIF is a bank essentially, with all this money, all these golf courses around the world, you know why not create special events like this? that kind of bring that in, i mean it's. I mean, I think it'd be cool to kind of see something like that on top of the four majors, since the majors are end in July every year. Now, you know, might as well have something that could be.

Mathew: 23:03

Well, they got now 60.

Trey Sanders: 23:04

In the fall, but then you're always competing with football.

Mathew: 23:07

Yep, that's the difficult thing. All right, bobby.

Bob West: 23:13

Well, i mean first of all, i think any discussion going forward has to take into consideration that this is not a done deal. Yeah.

Mathew: 23:22

Absolutely.

Bob West: 23:23

Absolutely. And we have actually political activity on both sides of the aisle One scrutinizing PIF's investment Saudi Arabian investment in an American venture, but also then looking into is this going to be anti-competitive going forward And they're not going to care there if it's a merger or if it's a buyout, that doesn't necessarily matter in that realm. So I think we've got a long, long way to go And it's interesting that there's Like, politically, there's people on both sides that are against it. I know very few are for it. I know we won't get into any of that nonsense, but that just means there's going to be a hell of a lot more to talk about And it's going to be in the headlines a lot more going forward. So there's a lot to sort out. The biggest thing I learned from all this was how much power the commissioner has and how little the players have. I honestly thought that the players had a say. So I didn't think the commissioner could come in and say, hey, guys, i made the deal And then they go. What, what deal? I did not think that was even a possibility And I guess I mean that was the most surprising thing to me. And now, looking back, fucking Phil was right, right, i mean he complained about it and the only way to do it was Jay to do it. Jay had to do it. The players could not do it. That's what we learned And that was discouraging to learn that.

Cyrus Janssen: 25:13

But good point, good point, yeah, yeah.

Mathew: 25:17

And then it was to stop him from going. hey, you're all playing TaylorMade drivers, now You want to?

Bob West: 25:23

play in a BGA too. Yeah, i mean you have to play TaylorMade driver. Yeah, i mean in reality, and hopefully the players seize a little bit of power from this. I mean we talk about what we'd like to see come from all of it And I'd like to see that as a little bit more democracy. And if the pips involved we're obviously not going to see that, i'm curious how many.

Mathew: 25:49

I mean, there's a lot of guys on the PGA tour that are very wealthy And I'm sure a ton of them have some very good lawyers. So I'm really curious how much that side of it's going to get involved to protect the players from like what Bob's saying further action from the commissioner, yeah, you know what is to prevent him from saying, oh, you guys are playing 40 events now or you're off the tour And we're going to go play because we own them all. You know, going to go play in the Mexican Junior League because we own it all. All right, cyrus, i'm going to save you for last Joe.

Cyrus Janssen: 26:31

I've got.

Mathew: 26:31

I'm writing notes. Yes, I know.

Cyrus Janssen: 26:32

I got a lot I got a lot.

Jeremy: 26:35

He's the only one that's actually being prepared.

Trey Sanders: 26:38

Joe, before you go, the crazy thing is is all those secret meetings the players had and all of that. And as soon as this shit went down, all of that kind of just went right out the fucking window.

Bob West: 26:48

Yeah, yeah, they were just talking to the. They were just talking for no reason.

Trey Sanders: 26:53

Yeah.

Bob West: 26:53

I mean, they were madder.

Mathew: 26:55

What came?

Trey Sanders: 26:55

out exactly.

Mathew: 26:57

But with they talking under false pretenses, like they thought they had power, like they did?

Cyrus Janssen: 27:02

I mean they got Tiger in there, you know, rallying the troops, i mean for sure. Yeah, i mean Bob bought up a really good point. I didn't realize and I didn't and I'm not cutting off, but I'm just adding in. I think Bob really bit a very good point. Here is just how the play I mean because I mean the best was the next morning. People, you know more cows Like I love finding out news on Twitter. Yeah, this is great. Yeah, And that's that makes the PGA tour look really really bad When you're top, players have no idea what's happening and they're finding out like we are on Twitter, like come on.

Joe : 27:30

Yeah, that was really bad. That was super surprising for all of them just to say that they had no idea And that was one of the shitty things. But I think a lot of the media has kind of miscategorized it as saying it's a merger. It's not necessarily a merger.

Mathew: 27:46

Well, and they're saying to live PGA merger, which is which is even further from the truth.

Joe : 27:51

Yeah.

Cyrus Janssen: 27:51

Media, though. Yeah, that's true.

Joe : 27:54

I don't see how they're going to get this passed and approved and everything with trying to keep their tax exempt status on one side and then all of their entities on the other side. That I just don't see that happening. So, yeah, it's just crazy. I think the player situation just kind of blew me away, but I think I think he did kind of kind of step on a grenade. For sure In in the long run it could, it could benefit because you're taking away a Competitor right, so that could be beneficial in the long run. But Yeah, i just don't, i don't know, i don't know how it's gonna get approved and get through. I just I don't see it happening. It's a hurdle so, joe, saying that you're not thinking, this thing's gonna go through, If it does, it's gonna take a require a lot of money and lobbying and you know it's. I think it's gonna be difficult to get it through. Which which there's. There's a bank there to help with that.

Bob West: 29:21

But so, joe, saying if it, if it gets through it, saudi Arabia has More control than just golf.

Joe : 29:29

Yeah, i mean well this they're looking at this as an entry into, you know, united States sports market and and European, you know, with the DP world tour.

Mathew: 29:38

Oh, and when? what's?

Joe : 29:39

if this goes through, what's to stop them from owning the Dallas Mavericks? you know, or You know, so They know how to fuck well, i mean at that point Sorry good.

Trey Sanders: 29:54

Well, i'm so, yeah, well, I'll just go, but when it, when it comes, i mean the big thing about getting into. Ownership of teams like that, like it's Money obviously talks, but then you know you're talking about Them dropping serious coin into that. And then the crazy thing is is if they're willing to go to here and then into other sports, you know, i think at that point you're gonna get. I mean, you know you go into the NBA. You're talking about 30 owners like owner, like the ownership of all of the teams in every league, like they have to approve sale. That's true in all of that like you know, because, especially with like the, you know. You know Bob's a commander's fan. You know the commanders were just so right, you know, commanders were just sold for six billion dollars. But the 31 other, the 31 other owners have to approve that right you know, and fun fact.

Cyrus Janssen: 30:51

No, no foreign ownership is allowed in the NFL.

Trey Sanders: 30:54

Yeah, Or exactly you know, and. I think shot, kind of, was the first one of any international Background will call it to own a right an NFL team and he's, you know, he's an American, but So, they can't even own a piece.

Jeremy: 31:08

That's why some no, why I?

Mathew: 31:11

did not know that.

Trey Sanders: 31:13

No, but you know. So that's that will be the issue there. The only thing with golf is it goes back to you know, it's a, it's a players association That is governed by the PJ tour, which is now governed by. You know if it goes through both of them.

Joe : 31:29

I I do think the PIF. This was their plan the entire time. I think that they knew that live was a failing product and it wouldn't succeed in the long run And they just wanted to get in the door somehow to it just made no sense So much money.

Jeremy: 31:42

I mean just no, i, that's the thing like it's for them It's a small investment, i mean it's it's, it's, it's a few billion dollars up front to, yeah right, enter a market and take it over. That. I think that. I think live was almost like a decoy. Yeah. I think, I'm in and yeah, show them that you know, because I think I've heard I mean, i there's so many plate people that just Either put their opinions on as news or whatever, but so you read so many different things but one of them that was they've been wanting to get into golf for years and They finally did this and it disrupted the golf industry the PJ tour. He got the attention and Jay basically Sped things up. That was was inevitably to happen in the future with the amount of money They're throwing at it because they've done the same thing with F1. They don't soccer.

Mathew: 32:34

I mean, just, do you think Greg Norman just feels used and abused right now? He got, he got paid.

Cyrus Janssen: 32:42

I Don't think he feels that at all No. I think, i think that's a huge win for Greg Norman. I mean, even if he didn't know, at the end of the day he's talking about a world tour. But that's that's what he's been advocating for 30 years.

Trey Sanders: 32:54

Oh yeah.

Cyrus Janssen: 32:55

I mean. I mean like you say whatever you want about the shark, But I mean at the end of the day, this has always been his vision. Oh, absolutely Right but I mean so. I mean I mean I would say with Greg it's. I mean he's gotten paid for sure. Oh, and he's at a point where I was like, hey, kick me out, live You know whatever. Like at the end of the day, if we would create a world tour, Guess what? That's what I wanted from day one is the best for players.

Mathew: 33:14

Yeah but, i, Think his ego his ego wants him to be involved, no matter how much the money is. I think if you could say hey, yes, i'll take a billion dollars to go away, but how about you just give me 200 grand and let me run it? You know, i think that he would do that because he wants to be that antagonist to the PGA. It just it seems like that's in his narrative is to be a thorn in the side of the PGA.

Cyrus Janssen: 33:44

But he got what he wanted.

Mathew: 33:45

I mean there.

Cyrus Janssen: 33:46

If this merger goes through, he wins you know, I mean, even if he's, even if he's out, it's still like You know his whole thing is. I want it better for the players. You know we're independent contractors. I want it better. They shouldn't have a monopoly. I mean, it's just interesting things like. I mean, you know, even like, for example, you know many, i think, 2006 Paul Casey. He didn't. He couldn't qualify for the Ryder Cup because he didn't play enough. He didn't play enough events in Europe, right, he was playing full-time in the US. He did. Yeah, i think he had to play like 10 events in Europe. He played eight and he was like top five in the world and he couldn't play in the Ryder Cup, right, and so, and like things like that, where it's just like Enough with this bullshit. You know like let's shit. Like Paul Casey should have been on that team right at that time. I mean he's, we know, definitely one of the best Europeans. So it's kind of more like that where it's like you know, let's get rid of all these rules and stuff and you know, or you know that you're on this tour that toward that, greg Norman's all about the world tour.

Trey Sanders: 34:41

Yeah, and I and I'm curious You know a lot of people they had talked about. All you know, these guys that didn't grab the money like they're idiots, yes and no, you know, they weren't fed all the information at the time when they were getting offered all this money. My thing is now is like you think about the guys that join live because, specifically because they were only gonna play eight to twelve tournaments a year, they were gonna get paid more money. And now It's almost like the reverse of the guys that didn't take the money like, oh well, fuck, now We got to play 40, you know 30 events that every year. Now That was a waste of a fucking year. You know, especially, i think of Dustin Johnson, you know, and he was pretty much the most honest one to go to live. In a sense, he's like, yeah, i'm gonna get paid more money to play less. He's like anybody else would Take more money for the same job if they were to work half the hours, right, You know, so my thing is is now the whole work and half the hours thing Goes right out the window. Because you know, for the same, for the same Opposite reason, i guess, that Tiger and Hideki and all them didn't take their multiple nine figure Asking deals that they were offered. Well, the reverse is the same. You know, for the guys that wanted to pay, play only 12 events a year, well, you gotta play 24, whatever. You know, i think about that, I think about that on the flip side is like hey, oh, i went here to play less now. I gotta play more.

Mathew: 36:13

Norman hasn't tweeted anything in a week, oh Yeah, yeah, i'm just looking right now either. I Don't know.

Bob West: 36:26

Victory, no matter what. He's gonna claim victory, no matter, no matter what. Either he challenged them So much, even though it lost, or he challenged them so much and got it to happen, the merger, i mean, or he's involved or whatever. Like Greg in his head, he's gonna win, and I mean I Think both sides are gonna claim it as a victory.

Joe : 36:50

I mean, maybe not the PGA players yet, definitely not. The PGA tour will, but the players may in the future. But I think they're both gonna spin it to where it's a victory for their side.

Mathew: 37:03

Alright Cyrus, what else did you have, could? you took a lot of notes.

Cyrus Janssen: 37:06

I did. I got a lot of notes, guys. Alright, i'm gonna go, i'm gonna go through, okay, i got a lot of interesting things I want to share. So so, first of all, from the very beginning, one of the things that I said is that Jay Monahan Absolutely should have taken that meeting in the beginning, okay, and I think this made him really look stupid in the end, because at the end Of the day, when you've got you know, you know somebody coming at you with billions of dollars, i mean at least take a meeting right, at least sit down with them. And I almost thought Jay really kind of put himself in an awkward position because you know, like, like Joe had predicted, you know this is going, this merger is gonna happen, and, and so I mean it's, it's, it's inevitable. When, when, when, when this entity is coming at you with billions of dollars. And from day one, i mean, yes, they were able to raise the purses and I mean we've seen an incredible Lift in prize money, but the issue is, is that they're not, they're not going away? I mean they have a endless supply of money. They want to be involved in this sport, they want to have a lasting impact and you know they want to, they want to do what they want to do. So I mean I would kind of spin that and say, like how could we almost use them a little bit? Because the thing is is, as we know, the PGA tour that will never be replaced. Is the legacy? right, it's these classic tournaments, it's the legacy. I mean nobody grows up and I mean who? who won the second event of live? I mean I don't remember who won the first event, right, i mean it's not like the first one. Thanks, okay, so short. So on the first one, right, the biggest elevator knows.

Mathew: 38:33

Yeah, no, no. But.

Cyrus Janssen: 38:34

I'm saying is is that you play live for money. You play the PGA tour for legacy. You cannot buy legacy. Now, if I'm a J Monahan, i'm gonna think, well, maybe we could kind of leverage this and maybe, like obviously you, if you want to do some investing and be on board with This product. That's essentially where we are right now. You know, bob said it, phil was right, i completely agree with that. I mean, the whole entire thing is is how do we, you know, how do we leverage this and and get the PGA tour Better? and what my big feeling is is in that what you alluded to in the very beginning with the kept, with Brooks, kept Go winning. Now, my thing was not so much that that J is watching the camaraderie between the players at the Masters and the PGA, it's more the fact that you don't have the best players playing every week in, a week out. That's the biggest issue right now and as golf fans, it sucks because the tours divided and you cannot say that okay, even though these elevated event, or what is it elevated?

Bob West: 39:29

or Designated.

Cyrus Janssen: 39:30

These designated events are certainly more power packed and more stars, it's still not the best in the world. Right, we'd have to wait to Augusta. We have to wait to the PGA to get the best players in the world. When you saw, you know, three live guys finish in the top five at Augusta, including Phil. I mean unbelievable performance from Phil that find around. And then you know Kepka should have won that. I mean, if he played solid he could have won that. But he bass, bounces right back, dominating performance, played like a champion and you know he's incredible. So all of a sudden, now you've got Kepka and I think That was really the main deal, because now you got to think of it as well. On the other Tournaments, right, let's say, you know Kepka loves waste management At Phoenix. Well, you know darn well that the tournament operators like they want to have Kepka former champion in the PGA champion there, right, so it's almost like you know you've also got current tour events that you know. Oh, i really would like to have the current PGA champion at my event, but he, but he's banned and it's just not gonna. It's just not gonna work. Right at the end of the day, it's always been about getting the best players in the world together. Now, that being said, what you guys were alluding to, or Kind of had a big question about, is, you know, is the PGA tour gonna change? You know, are essentially they gonna be the employees of this new Saudi? you know, the PIF, this, the Saudi fund? I don't think so at all. Yeah, you know, at the end of the day, pga tour will remain the PGA tour. That absolutely will, because, again, they have the leverage. You know, at the end of the day, it's like you know, you know, look, we have these, we have these legacy tournaments, right, we're gonna have these amazing tournaments there. We know the schedule of the PGA tour. We're starting here in Kapaloo. We've got Bay Hill, we've got Memorial, we got all these classic events. You know that that is never going to change. I think what what we have to realize is is with Saudi Arabia as it goes back to their government, saudi 2030. Their entire vision is to kind of transform Saudi just from being an oil place into actually one where, like, people go for there for tourism. And you know. The other thing is is you look at, they have absolutely dominated The women's European tour and and done incredible things for the LPGA, i mean women's European tour, would have folded if it wasn't for the Saudis bankrolling all that. The Aramco series I think they sponsored nine events and the ladies European tour. So I mean, again, there's no real like I mean there's front in the money, you know. I mean there's just. There's not like hey, we're trying to do this, we're trying to do that. It's just like hey, we're gonna. We want to just have our logo here, we want to have our name here, we want to be associated with that. I don't think it's gonna be anything. You know crazy like oh, now you work for the Saudis, like everybody come over here and dance for me And you know all you are playing like a two-week tournament for the king, you know, like you know, and mandatory, or you're gonna have your head sliced off like this.

Joe : 41:59

I mean, that's that's where the media is gonna take it, but the world tour had the race to Dubai, like yeah, i mean, yeah, we're all dancing at the live events too.

Trey Sanders: 42:08

So I thought that we're getting paid to dance a little so.

Jeremy: 42:12

But what I what?

Cyrus Janssen: 42:13

I think what I think is interesting, and this is I want to bring in a very interesting point because Because Brandl Shambly on the golf channel, he said something that well, he says a lot of things that are controversial, but I think he said something that he overlooked very, very, very easily. But there's actually much more to it when you dig deep. He said these players, you know, the problem is this is what Randall said. Is he said? the problem is is that if everybody just stayed true To the Brit PGA tour, this would have never happened, right? If everybody DJ didn't go, if Bryson didn't go, a Brooks didn't go, if they all just had, if you know it, if they all were like Lionel Messi and just turned down the money from Saudi, then all of this wouldn't have happened. Now Here's the interesting thing Messi, best footballer in the world right, just won the World Cup with Argentina, absolute legend just turned down a $1.6 billion offer to go play in Saudi Arabia. $1.6 billion now, did you guys know that?

Trey Sanders: 43:07

yeah.

Cyrus Janssen: 43:08

Yeah, okay, he just turned down $1.6 billion to go play there. Now Where does he going? He's going to the major league soccer, is gonna go join David Beckham's team down in Miami, into Miami. Now the deal with this. The reason like, why on, how would you turn down $1.6 billion? because the reality is is that Messi is The needle in soccer. Let me pull up these statistics, which are absolutely fascinating. So, within 20, within 48 hours of Messi signing to enter Miami, the club gained 6 million new Instagram followers, okay. 4500% increase in merchandise sales. They're now the third best-selling team on fanatics into Miami. 100 and 1200% jump in ticket prices. Okay, that's the first 48 hours of Messi going there. So, with the problem with the thing with Messi is is that he's gonna be able to. What he also has is he now has a percentage of Adidas revenue. He also has a percentage of the TV revenue and he has a position to buy equity into inter-Miami at the 20s. Done so the you know the reality is he's gonna make a lot more than 1.6 billion dollars because he's gonna get equity, and This is the big thing. He didn't turn down the 1.6 billion dollars for, you know, ethnic reasons are like oh, i don't want to be invested with Saudi Arabia. He's got a better deal, better deal because he's getting equity and it's not just like, hey, i'm not gonna be an employee income in someplace, awkward for you, for whatever it is, and make 1.6, i'm gonna be an owner. And this is what David Beckham did with the LA Galaxy. Remember David Beckham in 2006-7, he was at the height of his premier league, right, he was playing in England. He was most popular football in the world went to LA Galaxy. You know, when he got like Whatever it was like eight million dollars a year It was like what are you doing? But he got the equity right And so, anyways, they basically he turned like 25 million into 700 million. Right, i mean, that's what David Beckham, that's David Beckham's investment. That's back in the day. Now you're now with all of these things inflated. I mean Bessie's probably gonna, he'll probably make double that. This could be like a three billion dollar deal for messy. At the end, when you look at all these revenues coming in which is interesting, because I think that's what's gonna have to happen now when you're looking at these players and These, a lot of these sports players is, it's now becoming more than just Contracts and money and prize money. They want equity, and so that's one of the things that Jimmy Dunn on the board of the PGA Tour had Said is like we're gonna reward these players you know, the guys that didn't go to live, that stayed loyal. You know we're gonna look at some type of equity thing in here. That could be a very interesting model. Yeah, i don't know exactly how that's gonna work out, but my whole point in bringing in this whole thing with messy and That's the future of sports right now, especially for sports athletes is they want to have that equity.

Mathew: 45:47

He's a pie there.

Cyrus Janssen: 45:48

They're your piece of pie. There's unlimited growth. If you're a guy like messy, you come play in Miami. I mean the level layer is so much lower. I mean he could probably play for another 10 years if you wanted, but I mean he could even that guy's gonna be unbelievably popular. We already is. I mean especially I mean already is. But I mean he's gonna really grow soccer to an unbelie. I mean it's already big in America But I mean he's gonna really make that MLS something incredible. But I think what's gonna be interesting is to see how this goes. I don't know if you guys saw this. I watched on ESPN today. Dustin Johnson talked, gave a report and said that, according to the General manager of this Saudi thing is that that in 2024 there will still be live. Live will still be operating. There still will be 54 whole tournaments. There still will be that whole entity. According to. According to.

Trey Sanders: 46:30

DJ and Bryson.

Cyrus Janssen: 46:32

Who just, who just comment on that? so again, i think what we, i think what Bob said as well, is as good. A good example is we don't know like it's basically. This is an agreement. This is like a, it's like a contract to contract later, you know it's basically like well, let's we find a contract that we're gonna discuss this more in the next coming months. That's all. That's all we have right now. But what's gonna be interesting is just to see how this whole thing fits together.

Mathew: 46:56

You know is I can't live continuing. I just can't.

Cyrus Janssen: 47:00

I mean, i don't know how, i don't know how to go, i mean, but it's, there's got to be, there's gonna be, it's gonna be a long road ahead because you know There's no way that, like Brooks kept good, you know you had that hilarious Mike job. It's like thanks, guys, i'll see you next week of the travelers You know, i mean that was hilarious, but I mean obviously there's no way that those boys are gonna be, you know you know, welcome back guys. Welcome back to the tour. So it's gonna be really interesting to see how this whole fold, this whole thing folds out. I mean, like I said from the beginning, i was always looking at it from the business perspective, saying if I'm Jay monahan and I've got an entity wanting to invest billions in my sport, absolutely I'm holding that meeting right. Oh, you know, the only thing you know And I'll just briefly touch on this because I don't want to go super into politics I mean Saudi Arabia is a very key ally of the United States. If this was like North Korea, where a country where we have no diplomatic relations and we actively sanctioned or cut off, this would be a total different story. But I mean I don't, you know, we got Saudi Arabia like guys just worry about our oil, like that's, that's, that's how the United States has Dominated world trade for the last, because the petrodollar I mean we, they sell exclusively in USD. So I mean I mean they're already a close ally. You know we do business with them for decades. So I think it's really just saying I mean again, like monahan has the upper hand. I think he's as far as the commissioner, i should say, you know it's, you know they're gonna be able to keep the PGA toward is. I don't think there's any risk of our tour going away Like, oh, they're all gonna be owned by the Saudis. They just want to get their piece of the pie, much like they've done with F1. You know, i mean they. They are very involved with F1, but has it changed it or just made it better? I mean it's. I think it's made it better. I mean it's not. yeah, so that's my, that's my feel, thanks for letting me chat.

Trey Sanders: 48:42

Very good points, saris, and I mean this is like the first time I've ever met you or spoke to you, so Very valid points and thanks. Right, you know the equity thing is actually a pretty interesting take. You know, i did. I knew Messi had the deal. I read something on Instagram about all that's involved with his deal and then, even because of that deal, hearing about Beckham's deal. You know it's a very interesting point And if you look at the, you know you're talking about equity. You know I, you know.

Joe : 49:12

I watch that Air Jordan Exactly movie I shot it on my computer, Jordan's mom, you know yeah and Air.

Trey Sanders: 49:18

Jordan. You know, and I think it just, i think it all kind of stemmed from that is really kind of developing equity and getting money for a product that is being sold to the masses. And When you look at the equity part, i'm curious on how it would work in the golf world. You know there is probably many. You know a couple of different ways that can happen for them and we could probably have that conversation for another day. But the one thing you know that Cyrus is right is you know people. You know the whole employee thing. They want to get themselves in an ownership position. You know, even for the guys, even for the under armor athletes, like, look at the under armor athletes, i'll even take Tom Brady, for example. Tom Brady got a lifetime deal with under armor But he's like look like, i want to do my own thing and have my own brand, my own product. So that is what he's doing now. But you look at guys like Steph Curry, michael Phelps, jordan Spieth, maybe a couple others the rock. You know, those guys have their own brand with under armor But that brand also includes in the finer details of the contracts they have, is Under armor equity. You know because, because Steph Curry and Michael Phelps and Jordan Spieth, Their nine figure under armor deals include, you know, a good chunk of equity in under armor as a business. So that equity point that Cyrus brought up, I never even thought about that. So Who knows even think of that?

Mathew: 51:00

It'd be interesting to see how the PGA can provide that to the loyalty of the people that didn't go. So, hey, Bobby, you've been quiet for a while.

Bob West: 51:14

Well, yeah, i mean the equity piece is definitely interesting, i think. I mean it's it's obvious that I wonder if anything would have become of the team. I mean it's hard to see, i don't know. It's hard to see an equity model for me because it would. It kind of like talent goes on in perpetuity. So there's, there's going to be you guys, that's I yeah for sure. Year Right, um so, but if I'm sure they can think of some within there's billions of dollars at stake, i'm sure they can hire some people to figure it out.

Cyrus Janssen: 51:50

Did you guys hear this? this Um potential rumor that Nike is going to buy Yeah, i didn't hear that smash golf club and rename it to swish.

Trey Sanders: 51:58

I did. I thought it was I, but at the same time I heard that, but I also thought it was a meme.

Cyrus Janssen: 52:06

Yeah, same time, you never know. I mean, you never know at this at this point.

Trey Sanders: 52:12

But the one thing, the one thing I will say is is you know for the guys that You know for the guys that are able to keep their card year after year but not really do a whole lot, and Does the addition of the money from Pif does, is that going to Just only affect Tournament play and how much more money they can make, or is that also going to dive into the lifetime same benefits of being a PGA tour member? you know, because Being a PGA tour member for I don't know the exact, you know I I'm going to, just going to say stuff I don't know the exact or Details of it, but you know, for a guy that's been on tour for over 10 years and has kept his car for 10 years, they get, you know, the, the yearly 150 grand pension or whatever it is. You know, lifetime health care. I'm curious if benefits like that Increase or get, you know, not necessarily get extended, but do they increase, do they get better? Right, you know, is there, do the benefits of a long term drops down to the corn fairy.

Mathew: 53:24

Yeah, some of it.

Joe : 53:25

Well, hopefully some of it drops down at the corn fairy and you know yeah, I know bob would like to see that.

Bob West: 53:30

That's not gonna happen. No, it's not gonna happen.

Trey Sanders: 53:33

It's a it's a development tour, but that's my thing is is Go ahead, bob, sorry.

Bob West: 53:39

Try go, no, no, if teams became a thing, then maybe, maybe, but but then it's like Could you reverse engineer soccer from the top down? and I just don't see it happening where, okay, could you theoretically have all these teams that are developing Talent and trying to grab the best young players from around the world and develop them, like under that team model, like club concept, like That was really exciting.

Cyrus Janssen: 54:06

I, that's that's where I, that's where I really see this going. I think, there's a and that's where I really liked like the one aspect of live that I liked is having these teams and, like you know, recruiting and like, for example, if you had a team Nike, nike like team swish, a team tailor made, a team titleist, a team cobra, a team totally, a team under armor and I think you, i think that has some big legs And and I think you and I think we're almost I bet you, what the players would really love is, you know, you, look at these professional athletes, i mean that are just. I mean, the best part of being a professional athlete is when you're locking that contract and I mean so you're, you know what, like We're gonna pay you. You know you get a five-year deal for 60 million dollars. Okay, well, you know you're guaranteed. You know you break your leg and you're out for a year, like you're getting paid. So I mean you almost might see this model where it's it's like you have maybe you have all of these teams And you know you're it's. It almost becomes like this, like an MBA model, you know, or it's just here's all the teams and here's that.

Trey Sanders: 54:59

Who knows so on top of that, then I'm curious from your point of view, cyrus Is based on that of what you just said, the team model, recruiting and all that. Wouldn't that essentially take away from the whole contractor thing? Yeah, yeah, i mean, i mean Because because you know you look at LeBron James, steph Curry, you know they are yes, they're contracts are holy shit, unbelievable.

Cyrus Janssen: 55:27

Yeah, but at the same time they still work for the owner of that team. Oh. For sure I mean. I just don't know what the I just don't know what the landscape of golf is going to look like in the next you know Five years, and I think it does go that way.

Joe : 55:43

The like it. Where's the legacy fit into that?

Cyrus Janssen: 55:45

Well, i think it's no different than when you see, like I mean, for example, if you, um, if you watch the live tournaments right now, i mean you've got.

Jeremy: 55:54

I think, they actually do that.

Cyrus Janssen: 55:55

They do the individual and team, but I think they actually do that quite well. You know, i think there's some I liked it that team aspect in there, in the sense that You know what, if, if, obviously, like Harold Varner's leading the tournament, but you know what, like the, the team's only one shot ahead And these guys that are, you know, tied 30th. You know if they can go out and make a couple more birdies that that could bolt that team up.

Mathew: 56:15

I think what's missing from the team aspect and live Is representation. Nobody knows what the hell a smash is or a Nibblik or a range. Go it. It the team name thing just range goats just Total failure. But if like, because, if you're, if you're an f1 fan and you're a mclaren fan, you're cheering for mclaren no matter who the driver is, because you're a mclaren fan, unless you know somebody. Uh, you know, just Like what's going on with red bull and max versus happen. If you know, if he leaves and goes to ferrari, you may be such a big max Fan that you hop over and start cheering for ferrari. But those fans are the f1 fans, are like brand loyalists. You, if you're a ferrari, you hate Mercedes. If you're a Mercedes, you hate you know, uh, alphabena, there there's, there's so much Like desire to root for your, your brand, your, your know what you back. And with live i, there's no reason to. You know, just because these guys put a name on a four person team doesn't make them Something special. But if you get brands behind it, you know, if you take tailor-made and you and you take the top four athletes that are tailor-made staffers, that play tailor-made golf balls, that play their driver, that play their wedges, that have the staff bags, and you put them out there and it's tailor-made against callaway, against shrixon, against ping, and you have those 54 whole events where you can wear shorts and I think the fans would get behind that more than taking Guys that shouldn't be playing competitive golf at an elite level anymore And throwing a silly name on them and playing loud music and trying to make it something that it's just not.

Bob West: 58:07

Hey, don't single out pat pares like that. I know the team aspect Go ahead.

Trey Sanders: 58:17

No, you go Bob.

Bob West: 58:18

All right, the team ask it would be cool If it's, if it's a club like, if it's a, if it's a bigger than just the four guys, if it's the development, if it's who's next, and and then it doesn't have to be okay, the team. That doesn't even have to be a team competition, it can be. Our team Has six fucking green jackets. Yeah three PGA's and come join our team, because we got the most of these and the guys on our team. You know, that's the part of it that could get really cool and exciting. But yeah, that's true, we're. No, we're a long way from.

Cyrus Janssen: 58:54

Yeah, i mean I think. But but I think that's where, for example, what you said earlier with with bob is that it's all about the Developing the next talent as well, right, so so it's not it's. What's hard is is, with live, is that you've got, you know, four guys on the team and they never change. It's just those, those four guys. But, for example, if it's like a team Nike or team tailor-made, you know, and you have 20 guys on the team or you know 15, you know, i mean you it'd be, it'd be interesting because you'd want to see, you know, they'd want to, obviously gonna be looking who's the next, who's the next stud coming out of college, like, who should we get on board? and, you know, bring into our ranks and I don't know. I'm just thinking that that's probably where this is gonna go down. You know, in the future it's probably gonna be going down this road. But I mean, overall, like, my conclusion of the whole thing is I think golf is in a great spot right now. I think I mean I've never been more bullish and more Optimistic about the future of our sport And I mean, you know, i hope they sort it out and hope it all comes together and we'll it'll be. It'll be fun to watch.

Mathew: 59:49

It's gonna be crazy what happens in the next 20 the next 24 months.

Joe : 59:53

We're just gonna green fees to come down with Yeah.

Trey Sanders: 1:00:00

Ah, full swing. Season two certainly gonna be a lot more entertaining, that's for sure.

Mathew: 1:00:05

Too funny.

Trey Sanders: 1:00:06

I had something I wanted to bring up too, um.

Cyrus Janssen: 1:00:16

I'm still here, buddy.

Mathew: 1:00:17

You lose me. Your screen went black on me.

Cyrus Janssen: 1:00:21

Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bob West: 1:00:25

I'm actually excited. The team concept, that is actually somewhat exciting.

Jeremy: 1:00:32

Well, yeah, and then it's actually really exciting if it happened.

Trey Sanders: 1:00:34

If it happened You just got to do it right. But here's the crazy thing is too is like if you had a team, like you said, bob, you know we got six green jackets, three US Opens, three PGA's on this team. This is why you should come with us. Which Harman is our coach? you know, this dude is our lifting coach, or our, you know, joey Diaz, our fitness guy you know, at that point then you could have. You know, let's say, team Taylor may could have their facility in Southern California or in Texas or whatever. That's got the gyms and the massage tables and the range and you know the coach there and you know it's definitely something that could possibly grow into.

Mathew: 1:01:23

I would. I would get behind that so much more than just like four random people on a bucket. Yeah, i mean, just just look at the staffers from, you know, from all the brands that are out there And you know, ron, the captain of team Callaway, and Scotty Schaeffler, the captain of Taylor made, and those can change, you know, as players evolve or age, or new up and comers and, and it could be an exciting thing, i don't know When. So when, when do you think we'll see a now live player on the PGA tour? How long do you think this is going to take?

Trey Sanders: 1:02:00

Like reinstatement onto the tour.

Mathew: 1:02:02

Yeah, do you think they get this playing? an event Yeah, playing an event. Do you think 2024 we see any of these guys? and who don't they let come back? I mean, Phil was incredibly critical of the PGA tour, incredibly critical.

Joe : 1:02:17

Yeah, and Phil was right. Phil's done. He's probably done playing here soon.

Bob West: 1:02:23

You know they go champions, or yeah.

Joe : 1:02:26

He might go try and champion Yeah.

Trey Sanders: 1:02:28

Then he already won his first event on the champion store.

Joe : 1:02:31

Yeah. Yeah, he won a couple of times Right, i don't know 20. I don't know.

Bob West: 1:02:38

Probably 2024 season, which is what October or September.

Mathew: 1:02:42

It's January through, No August. Now They next year.

Trey Sanders: 1:02:46

The fall, yeah, so 20. So is this fall like the end of the season then?

Bob West: 1:02:52

Yes, yes, the fall is the fall.

Mathew: 1:02:55

What is going to happen is the fall events. The players that play in the fall events are the players that are outside the 70. That made the playoffs And they will continue to accumulate points. Okay On this season, right, and that will add to their ranking for the 2024 season, determine if they get in any designated events and qualify them for other tournaments. So it's like a mini season, but it's just an extension of this season. You're just not going to have any of the high ranking FedEx guys playing in it, because there's no need for them to be there. Yeah, but FedEx is still behind it. It still has big purses. There's still, you know, 500 point events and such.

Trey Sanders: 1:03:47

Okay, yeah. I mean and the crazy thing is is like, especially all the talk that we've had for the last hour, golf is going to. I think golf is, you know, sarah's right. Golf is in a great spot. The problem is, is the really good? golf is always going to end in all of this football.

Mathew: 1:04:12

I think that's what they've realized. Yeah, Absolutely. I mean they realize now that football.

Trey Sanders: 1:04:18

That football is on five days a week Monday, thursday. Well, four days a week Monday, thursday, saturday, sunday. And you know, now they realize that, okay, well we won't ever compete with that, at least in America, And you know now that they're going to combine this together, you know it gives golf a great shot to be very relevant, even more so now for eight months out of here.

Mathew: 1:04:46

Yeah, and I mean it's. it's a great way to hold these team type events in this fall season. try and get more ratings and not put it on the CW. Okay, so that's our, that's our live PGA PIF chat. We'll segue into the major that takes place this week LA country club. Cyrus, have you seen the course? Have you been there?

Cyrus Janssen: 1:05:20

I have not. I've never been there. I actually I did. I was down in Beverly Hills over Christmas and it is like 200 feet from Beverly Hills. That's unbelievable. It's right there, it's so cool, so I walked past it, but I've never been, never been in it.

Trey Sanders: 1:05:35

Did you, any of you guys see a coach Rusty's post like a day or two ago? He'd like he did a screen recording of his phone and it was like 10, 12 pages in a row. Deep, rough, deep, rough, deep, rough, deep, rough. I mean I will say that some serious addiction.

Mathew: 1:05:57

Yeah, It's going to be interesting.

Trey Sanders: 1:05:58

I mean there is some, I don't know, but I don't know anything about LA country club besides the fact that it's right behind downtown LA. But I mean, i'm looking forward to it. I haven't, you know, watched any of the golf channel stuff or anything. So you know, i'm just looking forward to watching a little bit tomorrow after it gets more done.

Mathew: 1:06:16

Well, if anybody, if anybody knows I'm incorrect on this, please feel free to correct me, but I'm. I know the USGA has wanted to go there for a very long time, but apparently this is one of the few remaining stubborn golf clubs as far as human rights, and you know the?

Trey Sanders: 1:06:36

are you saying white only?

Mathew: 1:06:39

It not necessarily. I don't think it's white only, but they just have some very really strict on cell phones.

Joe : 1:06:43

No shorts, you can have a cell phone Men have to wear pants.

Mathew: 1:06:48

Yeah, the only the cell phones have to stay in the, in the parking lot. You can't have them on the property. Just very old school, very reluctant to let media in. And I think they were saying golf channel was saying that over the years the board has changed and the owners have changed and they've realized that they have a true gem on their hands and why not showcase it? And, my God, what they've been previewing. Yeah, i cannot wait to watch this, and I mean the the no-lane up guys had a great little chat about it and how they. They said it's not great spectator golf if you're on property because there's a lot of elevated fairways and a lot of, you know, elevated tee shots and the fans are going to be far away and I can be able to see a lot. So it's not like great on the grounds viewing, but TV it's going to look freaking amazing.

Trey Sanders: 1:07:43

Yeah, and you know, speaking of TV and I know what I was going to bring up in our earlier discussion about PIF and PGA is I look at it, you know, going into the TV aspect of it, i look at this whole merger deal as kind of like the first time XFL was around. And what I mean by that is is what I mean by that is is when the NFL realized the XFL was trying to make a move, you know, and then they failed. The first time they took the things that they did. That was different than what they were doing. So the on-field talks, the drone photography, the skycams, stuff like that, and now we're starting to see it, at least on some of the PGA tour events is you know the guys walking a whole whole with an air pod?

Joe : 1:08:36

Yeah.

Trey Sanders: 1:08:37

You know, just here, you know having conversation about that how they think about this shot, or you know, what do they think about this or that?

Mathew: 1:08:44

It wasn't, it wasn't five years ago that there were people wearing vests that said sell phone enforcement at PGA tour events And now.

Trey Sanders: 1:08:54

so I look at, I look at this merger and transitioning into that is like what did live due that PGA can also implement and make better for the whole game, And I think at this point, you want to wear fucking shorts. wear fucking shorts, Yeah, You guys.

Mathew: 1:09:14

however, if you got Veracos, veins if you got Veracos no, if you got those pants, dude, you got to get the crease iron.

Bob West: 1:09:24

that shit starch, full starch, Hell yeah.

Mathew: 1:09:28

Bring back some 70s Johnny Miller shit please.

Trey Sanders: 1:09:31

However, if you got the Veracos veins, wear some fucking pants.

Mathew: 1:09:36

All them guys are so tan, it don't matter, i don't think that shit anyways.

Trey Sanders: 1:09:42

No, i, you know I'm looking forward to it, though You know, west Coast I do. when I was, you know, when I was living in Florida, west Coast majors were always great because we could watch majors at, you know, at 9, 10, 30 at night, which is pretty cool. Obviously, now, being here on the West Coast, it'll be just our normal prime time, but to see that and then I got the email that Peacock is going to have like 12 hours of coverage a day, which is fantastic, because I think, you know, the Augusta Nationals gotten a lot better with it, with the Masters app, you know, providing a lot of coverage. I think that's the one thing that people were just tired of. is, you know, just having the three hours of coverage on a fucking Sunday, or?

Mathew: 1:10:32

a.

Trey Sanders: 1:10:32

Saturday Sorry for my language.

Mathew: 1:10:36

You can fucking cut all you want. Fair enough, but at the same time like at the same time.

Trey Sanders: 1:10:44

I know, as a fan, i wanted more coverage, like I should be able to wake up. you know, throw on the TV 7, 8, 7, 8 o'clock in the morning, see the guys off in the morning and then the guys off in the afternoon and have coverage all day, whether it's streaming on an app or not. So I think being able to have that and I remember you remember when Chambers Bay was covered by Fox Sports Yep, you know, joe Buck wasn't the great. I hold on, bob.

Jeremy: 1:11:14

Joe.

Trey Sanders: 1:11:14

Buck was not great for golf. I admit he's a baseball and football guy for life And he's actually now taking a break from it. But the one thing I will say that Fox did do that the other majors didn't and the other tournaments didn't is that was like the first time I ever saw like 12, 13, 14 hours of coverage. Yeah, like actual golf, not like Brandl Shambly talking for four hours, you know so for me, like I'm gonna name Brandl on this tonight. Yeah, my thing is is like you know it's gotta come down to. you know how much of it can I watch And the fact that we can watch pretty much from the time we wake up to A lot of it. You know, 8 o'clock at night is fantastic, And it's just. it shows that they're willing to grow the product more now and not just limit it to 41 minutes an hour. Not even 41 minutes an hour, you know.

Joe : 1:12:09

Yeah.

Trey Sanders: 1:12:11

So kudos to all of this getting together and making it happen, oh, eric.

Jeremy: 1:12:20

Oh, wow, yeah, I just have one thing to say really about the US Open and Gil Hans absolutely Yeah Crushed, killed it. The course That I've been looking forward to this one for ever since they announced it, because you know I my dad's played here actually, which is kind of crazy, oh, wow. He had to look up like 20 years ago, back when it was Bermuda wall to wall. There's nothing like it is right now, Like yeah. The redesign, re, you know whatever they call it, but Restoration, the restoration. That course looks unbelievable. And list I don't know if you guys listened to USGA when they were in the press room today the CEO and all that Yeah, the tournament director. I'm not an architect geek at all like Joe, but the way that they were talking about this course and the features and the brain cause, it's spectacular. That's all I'm excited about Bob and I were talking a little bit before we started about the 15th.

Trey Sanders: 1:13:18

I was just going to bring that up too, as long as 155, as short as 92.

Mathew: 1:13:24

Yeah, and that 92 yard shot with that front pin location is diabolical. It is. Saturday pin location Oh my God 92 yards.

Trey Sanders: 1:13:38

Right, oh, a 90 yard par 3 on a Sunday, They might use it twice Yeah.

Bob West: 1:13:44

They could use that front section twice.

Mathew: 1:13:47

Absolutely they could, especially if the wind picks up or switches or, you know, it gets baked out.

Joe : 1:13:51

Oh, Yeah, i'm excited to see how it holds up and what the scores are going to look like. It looks like it's going to be super creative, but from what I've seen, it sounds like I forget the dude's name the original architect. but it's like a master class in like how to build greens Thomas Richard down or something.

Jeremy: 1:14:10

He just kept calling him Mr Thomas, yeah.

Joe : 1:14:13

How to like build greens to where you know. Like you have to hit a shot into those greens. It looks like it's going to be rad.

Trey Sanders: 1:14:20

And this is our second, gill Hans restore back to back.

Joe : 1:14:23

So Gill Hans is doing some stuff. He did Southern Hills too. He restored Southern Hills. They were there last year.

Bob West: 1:14:30

Yep, there's going to be some carnage at the end of these rounds. Oh 15 is not easy, and then you've got over 1500 yards 16, 17,.

Mathew: 1:14:38

18 is three holes, three holes Oh.

Joe : 1:14:41

Yeah, That's nuts dude. It's cool because the first three holes are like gettable and then it's like destruction.

Mathew: 1:14:47

Well, I said that's his, his type of design. A simple, easy par five and then a kick you in the nuts par four.

Joe : 1:14:54

Yeah, it's going to be fun.

Mathew: 1:14:57

Yeah, i'm looking forward to it. It's going to be great. I, i just I'm it's. It reminds me the 15th year, reminds me of 12 of Augusta. Or you make the turn, you had two, you know, pretty out in front of you holes, and all of a sudden you've got this little par three over water and it's like, oh, what's so big bad about this When you see so many people hit in the water because they're you know it's just such an uneasy shot. This is going to make guys fucking shake. You know if, if you're in contention coming down the stretch and then you've got a 95 yard wedge shot, what the when has this ever happened?

Joe : 1:15:36

I think I forget who I was watching, but they said Shane Lowry said it was the hardest golf course he's ever played.

Mathew: 1:15:41

Wow, that's crazy coming from him. You know he's played some crazy shit in Ireland. Oh yeah, wow, yeah, a couple of guys were saying that, yeah, we can see 88 and we can see 68.

Joe : 1:15:54

Yeah, it's going to be fun.

Mathew: 1:15:57

Absolutely, absolutely Looking forward to this. So yeah, peacock, where else is it? Where else can you see it at? What else is it? Is PJ Tour alive on this, or is ESPN got it?

Trey Sanders: 1:16:06

Cause it's, it's, it's a Peacock, peacock.

Bob West: 1:16:09

Peacock Oh MBC.

Mathew: 1:16:14

I'm going to have to get a free week trial for Peacock again. Damn it.

Joe : 1:16:18

I took, I took advantage of that on Black Friday.

Trey Sanders: 1:16:22

That one year thing for 99 cents a month, for a year.

Mathew: 1:16:26

They were just running a $19 for a year.

Bob West: 1:16:28

What's your login tray? Yeah, please share that with everybody.

Trey Sanders: 1:16:33

If I, if I knew what it was, honestly, i would give it to you. So it looks like a Peacock Thursday is going to be Peacock in the morning, usa, from one to eight, and then well, and then Peacock streaming from 940 to 11 PM.

Mathew: 1:16:54

Man, it looks like I'm going to have to get the Peacock back out. Yeah, but USA is going to have one day, one day coverage.

Trey Sanders: 1:17:04

So 10 to five coverage every day for us on Friday. Thursday, Friday and then Saturdays, NBC and make sense.

Joe : 1:17:13

Usa Network for the US Open I get it. I see what they're doing there.

Trey Sanders: 1:17:18

As long as it's not Fox, yeah.

Bob West: 1:17:21

No, Fox sold it to ESPN and soon it'll be brought to you by Al Jazeera.

Mathew: 1:17:33

How do you Arabian Airlines bring?

Trey Sanders: 1:17:35

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Mathew: 1:17:45

Oh well, the Cyrus had to bounce. Thanks so much, cyrus, for being on. We really appreciate it. Love your insights, eric, thanks for tuning in, for I just saw all the checks. Oh yeah, we got to do picks Might as well. Do that, huh.

Joe : 1:17:59

You guys already got yours Yeah.

Trey Sanders: 1:18:02

I got a.

Joe : 1:18:05

You guys got to go last, the guests got to go last.

Jeremy: 1:18:07

Yeah, I'm changing mine.

Mathew: 1:18:11

Oh well, I won the week because I had Rosie last week And let's see where did that go here. Yeah, he finished eighth. I racked up 105 points. Joe had Saheed Sagala for the third time this season. Yeah, He's taking him.

Joe : 1:18:28

He's got to get one at some point.

Mathew: 1:18:30

He finished 38th. You got 16 points for that. Jeremy had Matt Fitzpatrick. You got 51 points for that. So on the season, Jeremy has an 816 point lead on myself and Joe is 1244 points behind. So I won the week and I let the guys know because I didn't know if we were going to do this or not. I am taking a Kepka hopping on that bandwagon And seeing if he can do his US open thing. He does again. I don't know. Let's see what happens.

Bob West: 1:19:11

He's hot, he's hot.

Mathew: 1:19:12

He's hot.

Bob West: 1:19:13

Me or.

Jeremy: 1:19:14

Joe, you did, jeremy, okay. So yes, i did choose Max Homa, but I'm going with Jordan Spieth now.

Bob West: 1:19:23

What Oh later?

Jeremy: 1:19:25

Max, Sorry Max.

Joe : 1:19:28

So why did?

Mathew: 1:19:29

you do that.

Jeremy: 1:19:31

I don't know Just the just. I actually also felt bad for saying Max Homa before I knew if it was Joe's pick or mine and I knew that was one of the ones on his mind, maybe Yeah, So I felt guilty, but then I just decided I want to speak.

Mathew: 1:19:46

So well, Joe, give me your pick, since we've already started that, and then you can run down the odds.

Joe : 1:19:50

Well, i was just going to do the odds for who we pick. So Brooks Kepka is 8.5 to 1. Jordan Spieth is 25 to 1. Now I'm going to go with the man himself, victor Havla 12 to 1. Havla 12 to 1.

Mathew: 1:20:10

Come on, havi. All right. So here I'll do this real quick before we let those guys pick. So do you remember who we took last year in the US Open?

Jeremy: 1:20:22

I'm sure I chose Jordan Spieth.

Mathew: 1:20:25

You did Yeah.

Trey Sanders: 1:20:27

I'm the European titleist, jordan Spieth. Well, he got me yours now.

Mathew: 1:20:30

I took Rory, he finished. Fifth, joe took Tony Fienow, who finished missing the cut as Jordan Spieth finished 37.

Trey Sanders: 1:20:41

Year before that.

Mathew: 1:20:43

I took Victor Havlin. He did not make the cut. Jeremy Joe took Patrick Reed and Jeremy the year before took Tony Fienow Fanboy.

Joe : 1:20:57

That's mad. Live closet fan.

Mathew: 1:20:59

Joseph Patrick.

Jeremy: 1:21:00

Reed fanboy.

Bob West: 1:21:01

I knew it.

Joe : 1:21:04

I knew it. That seems like a very odd pick for me, very odd pick, very odd pick.

Mathew: 1:21:11

All right, bobby, let's go. you, who's your pick for this? to win this tournament?

Bob West: 1:21:18

All right, i got 20 on it in this group, by the way, and it's Cam Young Cam. It was close, it was last year a few times And I think he's going to play a tough golf course really well.

Trey Sanders: 1:21:33

Well, the crazy thing is, the best thing I think he could have done for his career is getting Paul Tussori. That was huge.

Mathew: 1:21:41

He hasn't done exactly great lately, though. No, he missed the cut.

Bob West: 1:21:48

He got a US open.

Joe : 1:21:49

He's 51.

Bob West: 1:21:50

Hey, Tussori got, he was with Webb. Right, He was with Webb.

Trey Sanders: 1:21:55

He was with VJ, he got.

Bob West: 1:21:59

Webb. Oh yeah, 20. Let's see.

Mathew: 1:22:01

So Cam Young 20-22 missed the cut. 20-21 missed the cut. 20-19 missed the cut.

Joe : 1:22:11

But he didn't have Paul Sure Yeah. Yeah let's see Wells.

Mathew: 1:22:17

Fargo T-59,. Pga Championship cut, memorial cut, rbc Canadian Oven T-57. So he's on a heater, bob.

Bob West: 1:22:26

Yeah, hey, dude, hey, greg, you have to be trending. The trending player seldom wins.

Mathew: 1:22:33

When did Paul Tussori hop onto his bag?

Joe : 1:22:36

I think it was last summer.

Mathew: 1:22:38

Oh, he's had him all year. Yeah, okay, because he was playing really well.

Bob West: 1:22:44

Yeah, before that he was playing great.

Mathew: 1:22:48

Yeah, i mean let's see As a Saudi international powered by softballing investments. He finished second T-10 at the Arnold Palmer, t-20 at Genesis, second at the match play T-7 at Manchester.

Bob West: 1:23:04

He relies a lot on how much I believe in him. I let him know that I believe in him a lot this week, so that's your hope.

Mathew: 1:23:12

All right, Trey. who are you taking?

Trey Sanders: 1:23:16

Oh, I'm going to go with Tirol Hatton.

Bob West: 1:23:19

Oh, I like that pick I like that. He also plays tough golf course as well. He's 35. It's a lot of greens 35 to 1.

Mathew: 1:23:29

All right, let's see what Tirol's record is in the US Open Last year T-56,. 2021 cut. 2020 cut 21 or 19, t-21, 2018,.

Trey Sanders: 1:23:42

T-4. Past performances don't predict future.

Mathew: 1:23:45

I'm just telling you what he's done in the past. That's all Of late, going back to the RBC heritage T-19, t-3, t-5, t-15, t-12, and T-3. I think that's a much better pick than Cam Young.

Bob West: 1:24:01

Sorry, bob, i guess I'm the only one that said I'll put 20 on it. You guys can hang out and do your thing. I got my guy.

Mathew: 1:24:15

If he wins, we all owe you 20, but if he loses, you all owe us 20.

Bob West: 1:24:19

Just do it. If anybody wins, they get 20 from the rest of the guys. I'm playing with that. Matt, you took the horse, so you should be the first one to jump on that deal.

Mathew: 1:24:29

Yeah, I'm all for it.

Joe : 1:24:32

You should have to pay 40.

Trey Sanders: 1:24:37

Also, matt. You got to throw in a cup of that cone of coffee.

Mathew: 1:24:42

You think that made it this long? Yeah, it was worth the shot That chip was grinded and brewed up the four days after I was back.

Jeremy: 1:24:54

Eric's pick is Kevin Striegelman. by the way, Yeah, I was just going to say that.

Mathew: 1:24:58

What Is he still in the chat?

Jeremy: 1:24:59

500 to one 500 to one.

Bob West: 1:25:02

It's true, it's in the event.

Jeremy: 1:25:04

Wow.

Bob West: 1:25:06

Or does he still have to get in, did he?

Joe : 1:25:08

play the sectional.

Trey Sanders: 1:25:09

He's on odds.

Joe : 1:25:10

He's on odds.

Trey Sanders: 1:25:11

I think he did. Yeah, he played the sectional. I think he played it in Ohio.

Bob West: 1:25:16

One of the ones in Ohio. Dude. I played with Kevin Striegelman in a mini tour event at Wigwam Red when he shot 61 or 62 and made it look like fucking cake. Wow, That was awesome.

Mathew: 1:25:29

Oh man, Eric, how come you're not taking a PXG guy. That's kind of surprising. I mean, come on, be a homer. Crickets, crickets.

Trey Sanders: 1:25:43

Who's the last PXG guy to win Anything? It?

Joe : 1:25:48

has to be on live right, Pat Perez.

Jeremy: 1:25:52

When's the last, Pat Perez Well he has a one since, like 2019 or something I think he won my Acoba in like 2007.

Trey Sanders: 1:26:00

Go crack He won.

Jeremy: 1:26:01

Yeah, he won in Asia in like 2019, i think Go Go crack.

Mathew: 1:26:08

Who was the Asian guy that won the live event with the chip in? Wasn't he a PXG guy?

Bob West: 1:26:17

Yeah, go crack. No, i'm answering the chat, yeah, no.

Mathew: 1:26:22

That's supposed to be Jeremy's job, but he apparently has forgotten.

Jeremy: 1:26:28

I just try to remember who's on live, to be honest.

Mathew: 1:26:31

Yeah. Come on, eric. You got to know who was it. Who was the live guy that won. That was PXG. That's not Pat Perez.

Trey Sanders: 1:26:40

Charles Swartz, those PXG Gooch.

Jeremy: 1:26:43

I don't know if he is anymore.

Joe : 1:26:44

No, Charles Swartz will play as clear golf clubs. No, he plays clear golf balls.

Mathew: 1:26:51

Chuckie three sticks, Oh yeah.

Bob West: 1:26:54

Charles back in.

Jeremy: 1:26:55

Yeah.

Mathew: 1:26:57

Chuckie three sticks. Yeah, oh, be interesting, eric, you can answer this. Do you think this PGA, pif thing is actually going to go through? I'm curious if you think.

Jeremy: 1:27:13

I hope your fingers are ready, Eric 17 word answers only.

Mathew: 1:27:19

Yes, money talks, Exactly Yeah there are enough, man.

Trey Sanders: 1:27:22

A few words, yep, that's all you need to do.

Mathew: 1:27:25

Sometimes It's just be few, few words, all right. Well, the thanks everybody for tuning in. I loved having everybody on. Hopefully we can do this a couple of times more throughout the year When we have big breaking news like this. I really wanted to wait a little bit just see if some more information came out. It's been a week, not really any much. Nothing more has come out of than Monaham had an anxiety attack.

Trey Sanders: 1:27:51

I did see. I did see another Charlie Woods video pop up. He played Riviera the other day. That's wings looking good.

Bob West: 1:27:58

Shut. 52. Nine holes Kids on real.

Jeremy: 1:28:04

He's got it.

Mathew: 1:28:06

Oh man All right.

Trey Sanders: 1:28:08

Well, i'm signing off.

Mathew: 1:28:09

Gentlemen, Thanks so much for having me All right, wait, hang on, let Joe wrap this up, and then I need you to stay on while we download all the information. So, joe, send us, send us on our way.

Joe : 1:28:20

Yo, thanks for tuning in Once again. chasing daylight podcast go nights, go. Stanley Cup champs 2023 all day, us Open. this week We'll be talking US Open winter next week and a little bit of a Black Desert new course that we're playing, so shout out all your listeners. Thanks, eric, for jumping in the chat and we'll catch you next week later. Bye.