251: Vegas Golf Celebrity, Jed Francese joins the show to talk about his golf life!
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In the episode's second half, we shift from professional to personal, reminiscing about growing up in a family of golfers, our love-hate relationship with the game, and how the pandemic has breathed a new life into the sport. We don't shy away from the tough stuff either. We discuss our experiences with job loss and the impact it has had on our lives. And to keep things lively, we chat with Jed, our local golf celeb, about the upcoming season and his exploits as a free agent.
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What is up? Everybody we're gonna. We got so much to talk about tonight. There is so much going on in the golfing world New night that we're recording Tuesdays. There's a couple reasons for that. We're gonna play it off, as most of the time big golf news comes out on Tuesdays and us recording on Mondays really leaves us out of the loop when it comes to big stories. I've been watching X live for a while now, just waiting for the news of John Rom going to live. Everybody, everybody is saying it's a done deal. A lot of writers, a lot of people that are that have been predicting live and have been accurate, because there's a bunch that have been way wrong.
Speaker 1:Hey, honestly, by the hat that Dan's wearing, it looks like he's going to live soon.
Speaker 2:So we had the VGN finals this past weekend. Tiger was back out on the course. The Rom rumors are going on. The rollback for the golf ball is a huge topic that's going on. Joe and I participated for the first time in a loop golf club, the betting app that's out right now. That was really cool. Today. The Grand Thorton Invitational is this weekend where the LPGA and the PGA are playing together out in Naples and we have a guest Hi.
Speaker 3:Jen. Hi guys, Welcome to the show. Thank you very much. It's fun to finally be on a show. It feels like the first time.
Speaker 2:A little bit of a role reversal for you.
Speaker 3:Well, and a lot of fun things for me. You guys were the model right For me just because you had done it locally and it was just something that I was trying to chase. And you guys know Pat from the Vegas Bag Room, he was doing one, starting one right at the same time I was trying to start mine and I remember talking to Joe, his buddy, and saying the chasing daylight guys have got to figure it out. Joe was like well, these mics are the first step. So that's where we got the mics and it all kind of boiled down from there. But yeah, I've been a fan for longer than I've known you guys.
Speaker 2:So this is cool, awesome, awesome. Well, welcome to the show. We're going to get in with you for a little bit. Something else that took place today Our raffle winner, sean Wood, joined Jeremy, joe and myself out at Southern Highlands for the S and G event today.
Speaker 1:Third raffle winner?
Speaker 2:Well, I wasn't nobody else needed to know that. That's new. What an amazing day it was out there. A lot of people, you know, don't understand why we live in Vegas. Why do you live in Vegas? It's sin city. There's so much crime, there's so much drugs, there's so much sex and there's all that just you know why? Cause it was 70 degrees today and we played Southern. Highlands. It was amazing Perfect. The weather was unbelievable, the golf course was in phenomenal shape. Um, you know, we will continue to brag about how we whooped Derek Carr's ass at his own tournament there last year, but we haven't played it since then and they've made some changes to that golf course, where they have made the fairways almost non-existent, cause I sure as hell couldn't find one all day long today. Uh, joe was striping it down the middle, but Jeremy and I and Sean were playing out of the the rough, which there's more rough than fairway. Good lord, there's a lot out there. Jeremy, what was your thoughts on the day?
Speaker 4:Uh man, the rough was very tough, like there was some sticky, super sticky situations in there. You don't get spin so you have to think and the greens were quick, so you have to think about where you're going to land it, how much roll out there's going to be, there's going to be, um, it's just. It's just tough, like when, especially if you're not hitting the ball how you normally do or you expect to, that course will expose you and it leaves you with no confidence at the end. So, but it's, it's Southern Highlands, like it's still the best day ever. So you know it's a balancing act, a disappointment, but it was Southern Highlands, so it was just. It was a lot of fun. Can't wait to get out there again someday, Hopefully.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Joe, yeah, this was your first time playing your own ball, because we played it. It was a scramble last time yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, r T J's last course. Uh, I mean it. It shined a little more for me today. Uh, I mean obviously hitting my own ball most of the time. Uh, luke golf club was was a fun addition to the round. Uh, greens were quick. Shout out Steve Barber. He was on our on, he was our caddy. Um, really did a great job, steve, oh yeah. Fantastic, I mean.
Speaker 5:Steve was on a man. He was jumping around.
Speaker 1:I mean one of the best caddies I've ever had personally. Um. So yeah, it was a great day. Greens were quick Um, fantastic shape, great scenery and great people had a really good time. Um had it going for a minute, lost it for a bit but, uh, very strategic with the rough Um. But, like Jeremy mentioned, I mean a lot of it was down grain, so that helped a little bit, but no spin. Um had had some issues with the bunkers, because we don't see bunkers like that very often that are in really good shape.
Speaker 2:So it was fun playing out of the bunkers Cause they were in good shape.
Speaker 1:I wish I had more bunker shots so I could kind of learn how to hit out of those bunkers, because they are pristine and you know we don't get that very often in Vegas. So it was a great time.
Speaker 2:You know my, my first, my first one shot in the bunker. I kind of fluffed it and didn't hit it very well. But everyone after that I was on it, man and God, it was fun to hit out of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my little steep open face puncher didn't work very well, you know, you have to flip it a little bit more, yeah.
Speaker 2:The hard pan revere bunker shot. If you do that out there you'll hit the ball maybe six inches. Yeah, yeah, but I did, I did win.
Speaker 1:I did win the front nine, the back nine and the overall nine against Matt in the loop golf app, so that's a win. Yeah, um, but I am. I did get the new shafts in my club, so shout out Matt for building a non-spinning referral club set.
Speaker 2:I was giving him shit. That's why he's saying that no spinners.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, no, no, no, no spree wells on the ferrules yet, so we'll see how those come. Okay, the new clubs are feeling good. It was my fourth or fifth round with them and their vibe in a little bit, and so, yeah, shout out to the breakfast ball. Custom shop, garage, garage shop, makeshift.
Speaker 2:New name Mara Canyon club paypal invoices coming to a computer near you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, with service fee.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely Okay. Uh, tiger, tiger in the news, tiger's back. Jed, are you a Tiger Woods fan or Sure?
Speaker 3:Sure Tiger was the uh the boom before uh the pandemic. He was the original golf boom. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Exactly. So he was he was back in action, much different swing, very upper body, even more so now than it was when he came back from the last comeback. Before the last comeback, before the last comeback, before the last comeback, um smash in the ball. You know, it's amazing, his, his ability to hit a golf ball is so good that they just tell him hey, you can't do this anymore, you can't use the ground to generate speed. Okay, I'm just going to bulk up like a fricking wrestler and just I mean.
Speaker 5:God a yo he looks. He looks like a monster.
Speaker 4:He was good to see him back, for sure, and that that course is. It's always a fun one to watch, I mean he's.
Speaker 1:I mean it. It remind upper body swing and remind him of L Dan's. I mean just power from the fucking chest. Just L Dan is out there just pounding shit. So, he's a power, but it was good to see him back, I mean, and with his, his thought process, trying to play one tournament a month, we're going to see him, I would think. Even if he doesn't hold up to that, I think we're going to see him at least five times next year. I think we're seeing for the majors and we're going to see him. Uh, at least one other will probably see him at Riviera, maybe Arnold Palmer, maybe Arnold Palmer, I don't know. You got to work out with the schedule, but we're going to see him a little bit more, I think, which which everybody should be down for. I'm definitely down for it. So, yeah, he always brings the crowd, he brings the eyes, so I'm excited and he and he looked like he could play Dan, did you see any of?
Speaker 5:it. Yeah, I watched a little bit of it. Um, I saw the couple of a few minutes in the first and second round, but uh, yeah, it's good to see him out there again. You know, of course he's, he's the big name, he's the big drive. Everybody likes to see Tiger, so hopefully he can. Uh, you know, stick around a little bit more. He I didn't really notice the limp a whole lot, so it was much less. Yeah, so maybe you know this once a month is is actually doable, which would?
Speaker 1:be awesome. Yeah, and I saw me to have the full sleeve on his leg. He had like a. There was a part where he just had like a band on, so that's where the bolts are.
Speaker 2:That's where he was in at. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's, that's where that's the USB. C port. That's the connection. But um, oh shit, what was I just going to say? Yeah, I think he did really well. I mean it was great to see him. We haven't seen Sunday red in a long time, so it was awesome to see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so other news that took place in the Bahamas.
Speaker 1:Did you see the video where he might break up with Nike? Yeah, Yep.
Speaker 3:I did not. Oh yeah, is that over.
Speaker 2:Is that over them not being able to make him shoes? I don't know, but I've seen a couple posts.
Speaker 1:I've seen a couple posts about it. Um, so there's a potential breaking moment with Tiger and Nike, which would be massive.
Speaker 3:That would be crazy.
Speaker 1:So I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 2:Wow, okay, so let's where where. What does he do? What, what is he?
Speaker 3:Yeah, where would Tiger go? He's going to go.
Speaker 4:It seems like Nike would be more likely to just buy out the next company that Tiger goes to, and it's a new best.
Speaker 2:Hey, JL Lindbergh, you are now Nike by Lindbergh.
Speaker 1:Hey juice, you are now T Woods. No, I mean, he's been wearing foot joys, that's no secret, obviously. But if I was Tiger, I would just create my own shit, yeah.
Speaker 2:He has it all. It's just under the Nike umbrella.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know that. But I mean, I mean he probably gets what 60, 70% of that tops. I mean Woodswear, yeah, Woodswear, I don't know. I mean we'll see and it's not confirmed, We've just seen it. So it's going to be interesting because that would be a massive breakup.
Speaker 2:Oh, that would be Wow, yeah, okay. So the other thing that took place in the Bahamas is Scotty Scheffler. He won the hero and he had a new putter in his bag. We were teasing this last week a little bit. I had heard some rumors that this was going to happen, but he's now. Scotty is now working with Logan Olsen and everybody knows big Olsen fanboy been following Logan for a long time. I currently have four Olsen putters, which one I use.
Speaker 1:When did you get your first granny?
Speaker 4:show. What's that? When did you get your first Olsen?
Speaker 2:The first one. It was right after he started. I mean he maybe had 200 followers. I think it was really early. I saw the people. The company that did are my breakfast ball head covers. They posted a photo of the original Olsen head cover and I was like who's that? And so I looked him up and reached out to him and did a review form and he sent me a putter. Then I ordered a putter and I ordered another putter and then I ordered another putter. I'm blown away blown away that he has locked us out. He said that you know he's been working with some top players in the world. A little bit more came out today when pictures of Nellie Corda's new putter that she's gaming this weekend. Now I don't know if she's gaming it, but she was seen playing with it, so I don't know if she'll have it on the course. I don't know if you'd look through those photos that I sent you guys, but yeah, look a little different.
Speaker 1:Olsen with the weights at the bottom, I mean that's the weights at the bottom.
Speaker 2:And then he also took the tailor made face, the insert yes, and milled it into the face. So I mean that tells me he's working with tailor made.
Speaker 1:There was a tailor made grip on it, so yeah. I mean, how old is he now? He's 25, 26, 24, 25.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's still. He's still a baby. It's crazy Genius.
Speaker 4:So he's going to be the Scotty Cameron of tidalists, but with tailor made.
Speaker 1:Maybe we'll see. I think he's on his way.
Speaker 4:That's so crazy.
Speaker 2:It's definitely in that way, and when you have a circle L.
Speaker 1:you got a circle L, I do I have to call it the big O, the big O.
Speaker 2:Joe keep that.
Speaker 4:Keep that putter locked up in the safe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's, it's, over here it's. I got one at least. Hey, you know, sometimes you know, I mean Dan, I mean Matt has a one of 13. So, or one of 12 now.
Speaker 2:So one of 12.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I don't know if you know this.
Speaker 2:So Logan made a special run of 13 putters. It's got a copper face insert. It's stunning, it's beautiful. So one of the guys that owns one send it back to him and had him change it and put a plumber's neck on it because it's got a flow neck. And so this guy now thinks that it has more value because it's a one of one. And a lot of people in the Olson community believe no, that's not the case, because you took a one of 13 and changed it, so it may be a one of one, but it's still one of 13. Yeah, that has been changed. So anyways, I know.
Speaker 1:I know I thought you were crazy when you spent $1,200 on a putter, but I mean it's going to pay off. It's going to pay off at some point.
Speaker 2:Well, they're there. The value has gone in. I mean, people are selling them for like double or triple what they were selling them for three weeks ago. So it may, it may be time to let some go, but you know what? Congrats to him and Scottie Schiffer.
Speaker 1:There's a long way to go for that Like. Oh yeah, I mean there's, he's going to be in a lot of putter's bags.
Speaker 2:They, you know, you get in the bag of the number one player and he wins his first event with that. I mean it's a limited field and no cut, but still he did play, especially when that number one player has been putting like trash for the past year, I mean yeah. And now Nelly Corta. So just a matter of time before we see some of the other Taylor made people. Maybe, I don't know, we'll see. We'll see what happens yeah.
Speaker 1:Interesting story, all right.
Speaker 2:So real quick on the ROM rumors. Do you guys think it's true, think he's gone? What's your, what's your feet, what's your feeling?
Speaker 4:I think if there's this much talk about it, he's gone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think he's gone. Yeah, does, what do you think?
Speaker 3:I think he's definitely gone and I think that it just further. It's funny way people look at all of this differently. But the money, everybody's chasing the money, so you just have to expect it eventually. I'm surprised it's not happening even more and more frequently now that it's just becoming so that there's so many defects.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, the Tiger Golf League gets shut down because of the.
Speaker 1:Well, he originally dropped out of that before even he left and you know it's.
Speaker 2:You wonder if the Tiger thing not happening was another reason. Like he's, he's bailing because I'm not going to get paid. Like he was expecting money from the Tiger Golf League. Live comes to him and they're like hey, you got to start getting rid of these. You know attachments to the PGA. If we're going to do this, he bails on that. Now it's wild, dan.
Speaker 1:I think that was the telltale sign I mean him dropping out of that was he's going to live.
Speaker 2:Scottie D says he's gone.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I agree, I agree, I think, with him dropping out and pulling out all that stuff. And then I think I heard he withdrew today from the AMEX Championships or something like that coming up. But really I think but maybe I'm mistaken, I've been at work a lot, but yeah, I, you know, and especially if the rumors are true, over $500 million or something like that for some of these offers A lot of money to say no to.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of money, a lot of money. Okay, so everybody's in agreement, rom is gone.
Speaker 1:So gone.
Speaker 2:If he stays, great.
Speaker 1:but I mean he got that master's invite for the rest of his life, so I don't know how savvy he's going to feel about that, but you know, four to each his own, I guess.
Speaker 2:He's hanging with Sergio again, so yeah, but they said some of the stories were he'll have his own team, so so he will probably take over.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sergio Garcia is out and ROM is going to be the captain of the fireballs, probably, or Sergio is going to be assistant, whatever that might come to be. But you can have. You can have ROM on a team and not be the captain.
Speaker 5:So are they really named the fireballs?
Speaker 1:I think they are yeah, right, that's.
Speaker 5:Sergio's team.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 5:Seriously, it's so creative their names are so terrible.
Speaker 1:So bad. I mean even like the TGL names that were coming out were better than and they were so kind of cheesy, but they were even better than the live names.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so you know I haven't done enough research on the rollback to get into that. My personal thoughts on it is the driver is the issue, not the golf ball. The tech in golf clubs now is so advanced that it makes it so much easier to hit the ball. I think making the driver in the fairway woods a difficult golf club to hit and rewarding guys that can hit it in the center of the face repeatedly would change a lot. We'll we'll get into that after we get a little bit more details on exactly what is happening, because I I don't know how they're going to roll it back. I don't know what they're changing. So as soon as we find all that out unless any of you guys have looked at it and you know- no, I have a quick take.
Speaker 1:Mark chimed in and he said he's heard that ROM is negotiating to change the format of live tournaments, maybe to qualify for the official World Golf Ranking.
Speaker 2:So that would make sense.
Speaker 1:I mean, I, of course ROM, wants to be eligible for World Golf and this is.
Speaker 2:This is why, if what I don't understand, why do you care about the official World Golf rankings, if live is so much better and it's such a better life?
Speaker 1:and it's a better lifestyle. I don't think ROM has never said anything like that. Right, rom wants to play to be the best he possibly can, right, so he wants to be able to play in majors and qualify for things. He and he also wants his money. So he's either going to negotiate for official World Golf rankings and get his money or he's probably going to play for official World Golf Ranking. So that might be some kind of thing where you know that could be the breaking point for him If they can't change their format to where it's a three day fucking scramble tournament, which they do right now. Basically, you know ROM might be out, but they're probably going to cater to ROM because he is one of the biggest names I mean, he's top top five names in the game, no doubt about that and they want him. So they might change it. And Phil's going to be very tired after his third day of playing golf and he won't compete on the fourth day.
Speaker 2:So take some feeling you think ROM can move the needle more for live than Phil Bryson.
Speaker 1:Justin, 100 percent. No doubt about it. Yeah, all those other guys no doubt about it. Really no doubt about it.
Speaker 2:Just because of his.
Speaker 1:Recent US Open winner. Recent Masters winner Clubfoot fucking swinging, yeah, but Phil.
Speaker 2:Mickelson, bryson, dechambeau, brooks, keppke all those guys are multiple major winners.
Speaker 1:But they've been gone for like three years now. Nobody cares about them as much as they do. Rom now, rom would be the forefront of the next wave.
Speaker 2:All right, all right, so we're going to we're going to reach out to the guys at Loop Golf and see if they want to come on and talk about the show or talk about talk to us on the show about their, their golf app. It's a really. If you haven't checked it out on Instagram, it's at Loop Golf Club, l O O P golf club, and what it is it's a wagering app. Where it it takes your information and it uses gin. You have to verify your handicap with it and you can wager with somebody in your group and then, like Joe and I today, we did a match play. We did five in the front, five in the back, 10 total, and then other people that are users on the app can also hop in and place wagers. Yeah, and it was the first time we used it and pins and passports hopped on and we think one of the founders was who the other guy was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, bum, yeah, bum, bum, bum bum juror, something like that.
Speaker 2:So he's one of the co-founders and they hopped on and got in some some action on it and it's. It's really unique and I I am somebody that when I see one of my friends is playing on 18 birdies, you know I'll do the and I'm not like I'm at home or off doing something or whatever, watching Ricky Lake or something, yeah, and I'm not playing. I'll turn on the notifications, so hold by hold notifications so I see how the round is going. This is like that kind of yeah, but you're wagering on it, you guys. Fuck you and your Ricky Lake.
Speaker 1:Ricky Lake reruns. I'm sorry, they're just not live.
Speaker 2:It's bold and the beautiful.
Speaker 1:Young and the wrist yes.
Speaker 2:So if that's something that you are interested in doing because I heard you and Jeremy talking about it that we never settle up when we're done yeah, and I was talking to barrels, pins and passports.
Speaker 1:He's he's like a investor, the marketing dude, anything they need. He's one of those. So I was chatting with him a little bit to go after our round, giving him my insights into the app and I mean it's a really great app. Like you create a wallet right and you you wager, and then you can other people that are not playing with you can bet on your totals or against you or whatever, and you can accept those wagers or decline them. There's also side games in there which are kind of interesting, like me and Matt played it. It closes the pin which I won, but I also four put it. But we did not establish that you had to validate, so Matt missed the green.
Speaker 2:But anyway it's. It's really technically closer.
Speaker 1:He was closer but he was not on the green. But most of the time when we all play, I mean we don't really, we don't really care about the money, we just want some sort of competition. We rarely ever square up. I mean it's not that big of a deal, but this commits you to it, right? So at the end of the round, like I needed to make an eagle on the par five, so I was like I have to go for it, because barrels and the Mike dude bet that I would shoot over 83 and a half. So I had to make an eagle. So I was still in the game trying to try to win those bets, which which was nice, I mean, and it didn't feel like a ton of pressure, but it was. It was nice to have that and I couldn't back out of my bed because my money was already in the in the pot.
Speaker 2:So I had to make a bogey on the last hole and hit a tee shot that left me. I was stuck. I had to punch out sideways out of a bunker on a long ass par five and then didn't hit the next couple of shots. Well, and hit my chip shot ran past the hole and so I told Barbara as it, I have to make this putt, yeah.
Speaker 1:I have to make this, but ultra reddit yeah.
Speaker 2:So we got the both sides. Look and you know he stepped it off and you know poor execution of my part, but that it made another element of the game. That was quite interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if anyone wants to get out there and download loop golf club I think it might be loop golf ledger on the app store. I'm going to try and be more active on it as much as I can when I do play, and I'm going to try and keep my eye out for anybody that I know that's playing and bet against you or bet with you, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2:And I'll have it in the show notes too, for everybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think it's a fantastic idea. It's and they're only making updates. They're pretty new. I think they're like a year in, but I think the only thing which I told barrels I said the only thing that I think that would make this better is if a lot of my homies have it, so I could bet on them or with them or against them while they're playing golf, when I can't play golf, because I can watch their rounds and also bet with or against them.
Speaker 3:So you know, I would. That sounds really cool. So you can't do that right now.
Speaker 1:You can Right so, but there's not a lot of people on the, not a lot of people know about it, so that's the thing. Like, like I know pins and passwords. I know Tyler Munze uses it fair and fade and fair way uses it, so I'll see them but I don't check it that often.
Speaker 2:But I can bet against them or bet with them and if they're playing matches and Tyler plays a lot of golf by himself, so he's not betting with the people he's with, he's just playing, and people are like I think you're going to shoot one over today, you know, or yeah?
Speaker 1:Yeah, think of, like, think of like. You're betting on a football game, like the total score of this game is going to be 44 and a half. So I can bet, like say, if Matt Matt goes out, plays by himself. I can say, like Matt, you're going to be 44 and a half. So I can bet, like say, if Matt Matt goes out, plays by himself. I can say, like Matt, you're going to be 44 and a half. I'm going to set the line at 86 and a half and I think you're going to shoot over that. So he could accept my bet and bet on him to shoot under that.
Speaker 2:Or or decline it. You don't have to decline it.
Speaker 1:You don't have to accept it, but it's really cool and it's it's, I think, if every one of our like Vegas golf network gets on it it'd be really fun during the tournaments, like if big. Sanchez or like L Dan, is out there and I'm like seeing them playing and they I could throw a bet out against them, Like you know I'm coming for you or whatever the case might be, it's. It's a lot of fun and it's going to be really cool and it's only going to get better.
Speaker 3:All I'm thinking about is the golf fathers. The golf fathers would love this shit out of that. So I don't know if any of you guys are watching, but that sounds like it's definitely up your alley.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, it's. It's something that I think they're it, because golfers I you can tell golfers are behind it, because it just feels More golfy than some very.
Speaker 1:So, like we should probably get their logo on the sphere, we should probably get them to sponsor the and we should, we should probably fucking do golf cart races down the strip or something. I mean, it's endless, endless possibilities.
Speaker 2:All right. So last thing before we really dig in here with Jed, we had our VGN finals, the final tournament of the season. We crowned our winners. I'll prop this up here real quick and show everybody who that was. So Trey won the diamonds division, dan or Doug doh. Doug doh won the spades division, jack won the hearts division and Dan Higdon won the clubs division. So congrats to all those guys right there. Trey, doug and Dan, along with Chris Perez, won the tournament and they won a free entry into next season. So congrats to those guys as well. Kind of a shit show over the weekend.
Speaker 1:Oh no, don't get them started. No, I'm not going to.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to get into it. Yeah, I told everybody in the email that I sent out because the people that weren't involved in the finals they didn't know what took place. But there was a course mix up so we were supposed to play Concord Saturday as a shotgun and Lexington Sunday as T times and they got it backwards and I accidentally found out. So, yeah, it was. It's a little bit stressful, but it all came together. We've got a great group of guys. I was stressed and everybody's like we know it's not you, it's all good and it turned out pretty pretty well. I was pretty happy with everybody. So I think Lexington was amazing. Concord was in great shape for you know, it being a half dormit, half green course, the greens were good. Still still got bunker problems out there, but you know everybody got to play out of them and greens look better though. Yeah, greens were looking really good, so congrats to that. And the new season will kick off in February and February out at Las Vegas National. So if you are listening to this and you are not a VGN member and you want to be one, you can go to the Vegas golf network website, vegas golf networkcom and check that out yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean clubs built. I mean Matt's builds clubs. I mean you did a great job, your boy was on fire. I mean shout out, matt for building my clubs. No spinning barrels currently. So this guy.
Speaker 2:And then one last thing I want to give some love to the golf. Stop this. You know been going there a couple of weeks, three weeks now, four weeks now playing. Jeremy and I went and played. What do we play this? Last week, Jeremy, what? What core? I don't remember. My gosh, I can't remember.
Speaker 1:We got to go play Frisco out there. That's why.
Speaker 2:I did. I played Frisco. I played nine holes at Frisco, okay, and then, oh, we played where the Evian is.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, france, yeah, played that course.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, shot on. Go, stop premium spot to practice your shots. Play some rounds with your buddies. They got some beers on giraffe. They got snacks. There's a McDonald's across the street if you're feeding for some shit food.
Speaker 2:It's not really across the street, it's in the parking lot.
Speaker 1:It's in the parking lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's right there, but Jersey Mike is about to open, which is right next door.
Speaker 1:That'll be even better. Get some of that Jersey juice. But yeah, it's a great spot. Go check it out, especially if you're in the area. It's right down the street from us, so it's a fantastic spot. Go check it out. Golf stop is the best place and, speaking of new places, coming.
Speaker 2:Steven Jackson was kind enough to tell me that there is a new farm basket that is coming to the blue diamond and rainbow area. Yes, yep, so farm basket fanboys Me. Joe Dan, jed, you've been Vegas forever.
Speaker 3:Well, I was gonna ask you guys is there another one other than the one way over here on Charleston?
Speaker 2:No, the there used to be one right there used to be one on Las Vegas Boulevard in Cheyenne and there used to be one on Tropic Spencer, but I think the one Is the one is the one I've known for years and years.
Speaker 3:I just know you guys all live on the other side of town.
Speaker 1:Jones and spring Mountain Tropic Eastern. There was one, but man farm basket is making a return and I am very yes, let's hope it has more than four booths. Okay, so that's a gauge in the chat. Gauge gauge is in the chat. He's, he's, he's ready to hear From Jed. I mean, we've covered all of our weekly stuff, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got our, we got our, we got our dishes to clean. They're in the water.
Speaker 1:It's a celebrity of Las Vegas golf this week, so we're turning it over. I know you guys have been waiting, but it's it's coming, so and we're here now. Thanks for everybody tuning in, and it's a pleasure to have Jed here on on the pot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, thanks, guys. Celebrity of the week was the coolest thing when I came out to see you guys Saturday that someone yelled at me and and he actually came in. I'm sorry I forgot his name, but he came into the one of my pieces and I was doing the yield that at you and I was like that was the best part of my day. That was cool. Yeah, I mean it was a good. It was a good heckled the the year at the wrong golf course. But celebrity of the week was, was, was, was pretty good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you've been making your rounds, so I mean the three agent, you were yeah, the view is very different for you. I mean, have you ever been to a reviewer before? Have you ever seen those views? I mean, you were at. You were at Desert Pines and I think you might have played. Where did you play with Gage? At Durango.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it looks like. Yeah, yeah, gauge was. So what happened was how that whole thing started is Well, yeah, I don't know where to start, but for how this weekend went was Friday night. I just was. I Didn't know what to do it myself because I spend, or spent, a lot of time on my job and we can get into a little bit of that if we want. I think that I'd like to do that, but there's a couple things that I want to focus on more than others. But the way that this weekend happened was I was, I just didn't know what to do and I wanted to do something. And Then it just hit me late Friday night I said all these guys are out playing all weekend. I should just go out and Introduce myself to other golf course guys, stop in the golf shops, explain my situation, get to come out, see guys make content. It was, it was cool, really cool to make the Sunday one. But yeah, so I just put in my stories whoever's playing golf, hit me up and let me know. I just want to maybe swing by. Joe was the first one who popped right in and said we're playing at Revere tomorrow morning. It's great, see you there. And and then Ron got in early Saturday morning too and said that they were doing the the charity event for the feet foundation over at Desert Pines, and the feet foundation was actually the last certificate. So what happens with golf tournaments, fundraising golf tournaments I'm sure you guys do this too with your events is you go to other golf courses and you ask for Rounds of golf that you can donate off and you can make more money for your charity. We tend to do those for groups that are playing golf because it's a golf tournament. It's a lead for us to possibly get the group the next year right. So the speed foundation certificate was the last one that I did a couple weeks ago and so it just was kind of kismet. I got to go out there and meet the guys and and that one was really fun. But yeah, I just came up with a free agent tour because it looked like that's what I was going to be doing, just bouncing around and, engaged, said that he was going to be playing Monday morning and he said come play. And I have to say this. I don't have to say this, I need to say this I've had a lot of guys this last year and a half try to get me to play golf and and I just haven't played the game in a long, a long time and gauge has been the one who has asked the most all summer long. And so he was like you don't even have a job anymore, you have to come play. And I was just gonna go hit like a witch right and I hit one and him and his buddy Rick were Having such a good time and they were just out there on a Monday morning and they were like I think Rick said the gauge on the first tee that I showed up at, he hit one that he didn't like and he goes can I have a mulligan? And he's just like, of course, what are we doing out here? And as soon as that kind of level of Vibe Was going on, I sat and I finished the round. So I showed up at six. Gauge, you can type in the comments if that's wrong, but I showed up on hole six and I Kept thinking after every hole I'm like, okay, I'm gonna tell him thanks and I just wanted to keep playing.
Speaker 1:I'm fun as I pulled back the curtain. How did?
Speaker 3:how did I?
Speaker 1:like, how did it feel it's been what?
Speaker 3:13 years, it still feels weird. Yeah, I think I think the last round I played was was technically about eight years ago. Okay, but then it. But then it was probably another five before that, and right it. It has been Very, very little go off in the last 15 years. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you've been, you've been hiding, you've been hiding the swing jet. I saw that.
Speaker 3:Well, the swing wasn't that good all, though, but uh, gauge captured a couple of them without even telling me, and the good ones, I think, were the ones that he sent to me that I could use for content, so that was fun. So, that's how this was ended about happening.
Speaker 1:So how do you feel about playing golf now, now that you're not tied down to a golf course and you've you've actually hit some shots and it's been a long time right Like, do you think you've fallen in love with the game again, or are you? Are you trying to play, or is it just the one-time thing, or what?
Speaker 3:Oh no, I'll definitely play again. But, um, I fell in love with the game again, this time two years ago. So I'm a third generation golfer. My dad's dad built and ran golf courses. He Built his own little nine hole golf course on the west slope in colorado in a town called Montrose, and he ran and operated this golf course himself. He was the head superintendent and the head golf crew and then he had my dad and my dad grew up, was a really good player, played on the tour in the 70s and then he built and ran golf courses when he wasn't good enough to compete anymore. Um, so I was born into the game and started. I started playing nine and then started working at uh 10 at the golf course in arizona called pine top country club. So I I was born a lifer and a purist and raised to do that. Played in high school was was pretty good. I mean I, I could play and I could have played. I couldn't have played for a d1 school, but I could have gotten a golf scholarship and and played, not had to pay for college, and I just didn't love the game I had. I it was too big of a shadow. Um, my dad and and I was too competitive and didn't have the right head for it. I just tortured myself and broke my brain, you know when I was 15 to 18 years old. And so I traded my clubs away for a guitar and Uh that's where the the love for playing Left and then my love came back for golf when I started back at angel park in 05 and golf had changed where they had sales position jobs and I was coming from the casino marketing World. I started in telemarketing, became a casino host and so I was good at sales and I didn't really like casino Uh future because casino hosts, the older guys that I looked around, I didn't. I didn't see anybody as a role model that I was like I wouldn't mind being there in 20 or 30 or 40 years, um. And then I don't want that you might have uh, and then golf started having sales though, so Selling tournaments, so I got into golf as kind of a casino host for the golf course right at a time where that was kind of a thing, and I did group sales for the next 15 years until the pandemic, and I loved golf all that time. I just didn't love playing like I. I love the game, I watch it religiously, I love the culture. I I love that. I'm a purist who has started to change his mind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, on a lot of things.
Speaker 3:Um, I'm curious, so like like we got a new way.
Speaker 1:We we got a new wave of golfers right Right since covet and there's a lot of new golfers and they probably wish they picked up the game when you did. Sure, and they wonder where they would be currently if they were. Would have picked it up when you did.
Speaker 3:You know it's funny about that is, I wish that I could have picked up the game when they did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that that's what I was getting at, like why did he fall up. Yeah, yeah, go for it like.
Speaker 3:Like I just think that there's a lot more fun in the game at the bottom line, the new golfers that are coming in. Just For me. My sense is that they have more Fun than the guys that I remember coming up with we. It's not that we didn't have fun, we all had fun playing but Golf just seemed so much more more Pressurized and I don't know if that was my, my upbringing and and relationship to it, but Random golf club is a good example and and chop a can of golf club and barbershop is a good example. These are guys who are getting into the game recently. Almost all of them are have been in the game three, four, five years tops, and most of them for three since the pandemic and and they just have fun. It's hard to find guys in those groups that aren't having a great time always and golf, golf's never been like that that I've seen. There are guys that Are just constantly picking at what's wrong with something right and and afraid of change and and I was taught that the most important thing for the game is to grow the game. So the pandemic felt like the most exciting thing that could ever happen to golf for me in my opinion, but yes, it's a great example. Playing yesterday, um, I did fall back in love with just swinging a club. I missed it, yeah, yeah, I mean I could go swing again tomorrow and I can't fucking believe I'm saying right, like I would have laughed you out of the room two years ago, you know, I would have waged your money. I couldn't afford it. That's funny.
Speaker 1:Before we dive deep into growing the game, because I know that's where you were going, right, matt?
Speaker 2:No, no, no. I didn't want to get into that. I respect people that actually have good hearts and intention with growing the game. I can't stand the people that use growing the game as an excuse.
Speaker 1:I was just gonna say it. It sounds like there's a wave of soul golfers coming. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, oh Jesus Christ. Bean and cheese burrito eaters of the world unite soul golf. We are here. All right, go ahead, Matt. Sorry.
Speaker 2:So I want to dive into what made you want to start golf at the park and what was your idea for what it was to be, and what is the difference for what it became.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's interesting, the original idea. So what happened to the pandemic? I got really sick and almost died. I was in and out of the hospital a lot of the early 2001. And it took me a long time to get better. Took me a long time to adjust my body to not drinking anymore. I had a bad drinking problem. Everything coalesced. I didn't know I had mental illness. Everything coalesced almost exactly two years ago. And when I got on the right medication and then my doctors told me that I was healthy again, I had a second shot at life. So I was shot out of a cannon and seriously. It's been that way for over two years now and I wanted to learn as much as I could about the social marketing aspect of things, because I was seeing so many influencers doing things for companies and free advertising and free eyeballs and I just wanted to be on the front edge of that and it didn't seem like golf courses were doing that. So I wanted to approach our social media idea or drive.
Speaker 2:I don't want to interrupt you, but why do you think golf courses don't? What is the why is typical golf course social media stock bad photos and come play in our wine mixer.
Speaker 1:Microsoft Word pieces that say come join our scramble, we got breakfast burritos for you. It's a shot of a reindeer from fucking print shop Like.
Speaker 3:No, I agree, and that's not why do I think that is? Yeah, I can tell you. Well, I can guess I'm not sure that I know for sure but I can tell you that. Just an example of when our new management and ownership just came in, they tended to almost, almost to a piece. You could almost separate them If I would take a picture, a really good picture, and post it. That was light, and acknowledged that that was what they thought I should be doing. But as soon as it was a video of any kind, it seemed to not have any interest to them, to both my general manager and my corporate office. They never really it was. I don't want to say anything bad, right Like. And I don't say that because I'm trying to take the high road.
Speaker 1:No, no, I'll say it. I mean, golf courses are out of whack. They don't see the future. We've been a promoter of yours for a while. Right, you saw the future. You're the futurist in a world where they are the pastist. I don't that's not the correct word. But they don't understand what social media can do for a golf course. Because social media is the wave of the future. Everybody is on social media. Whether it's my mom who asked me for a soul golf sticker the other day, I'm like I never thought you would want that sticker from my mom. I brought them with me to the golf course Like it is a wave of the future. And for a corporation to not see that future is absolutely insane for their investors or people that are invested in the company.
Speaker 3:Like it's coming and you- it is coming, but I think and it's been here it's been here. I think part of that's golf, though right, yeah, totally, totally 100%. I think it's specifically a golf issue, because our last management company was Trun and Trun was trying to do some of the same and have done and it's done really well. They've partnered, I think, with NBC at this point and they're running NBC level broadcasts out of their Trun golf courses. So they're on it where it's top notch, super high end, quality, professional. If I was able to put something together that looked like that looks, then I think that they would have been into it a lot more, but a lot of it is a growing process and learning and putting together the right things. One of the things that I was proud of. That will give Joe more ammunition, but I don't mean it that way is they didn't pay for anything, I mean-.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, everybody that asked me. I told them that I'm like-.
Speaker 3:Out of pocket.
Speaker 1:Nothing out of pocket.
Speaker 3:And everything out of pocket for us Nothing, yeah, I mean. So I did think that it was something that would at least be given more consideration. I'm not sure that anybody from above to corporate ever watched the shows. I started mixing in in the summer after they had started. Well, right, when I started I said, hey, let me start putting some Arcus stuff at the bottom links. We should bring in Arcus people to have them on the show. And they just weren't into it. They just Wow. So I should have known that they just weren't interested. They just didn't. It wasn't an interest to them, and that's not a bad thing If they just don't think about it the same way that I did. But one of the things that I guess I puzzled about is why I spent I wanna focus it on my love for Angel Park. It's my home and I love it. And I remember that my new general manager came to me at one point a month in and he said hey, jed, I just want you to remember how special Angel Park is, how great Angel Park is. Angel Park was a beautiful woman. She'd be a 10. I just remember thinking. That's when I started to know that he doesn't know me at all and probably isn't interested in doing that, because nobody is a bigger fan of that golf course than me and that love has not changed. And I love all those people and I don't even hold anything personally against anybody, personally or corporate. I just think that they made a wrong decision. I wonder why I had never been written up. I had never really been talked to. There were two times that I was asked to pull a content piece that I put up and I immediately pulled it because they said that that wasn't what they wanted to do. They came in and kind of changed things early and I understood why they didn't want faces. They wanted Angel Park to be the face, and that's a perfectly well way to approach your business model. I get it. But when they were starting to change things I should have known that it was gonna hit an end of the line at some point. It just seems like it came out of nowhere no way exactly At Christmas.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the show was growing.
Speaker 3:And I really think it was on well it wasn't on the list of something we hit a milli off of one of the.
Speaker 1:A week or two before, right yeah.
Speaker 3:And it's not the million views, because everybody knows that that's someone who maybe sought for three seconds that counts them. It's the 77,000 shares, which means that 77,000 people sent that to at least one person.
Speaker 1:And they resonated with it.
Speaker 3:And everything. Angel Park's name is all over it and it just our followers on Instagram from two years ago. We were at 979. Like it was, I remember the number and we're at over 4,000, I think we cleared 4,600 right before I left. So well over 400% in two years and it's important that people understand If you put that money in a stock like you'd be happy. I mean, and the growth, the groups that were that either started at Angel Park or started coming to Angel Park from regionally, from Southern California. I mean, all of these things were built and I think what I'd like to maybe underline when I brought up my telemarketing background, is that there's a way to work social media like a telemarketer would, and that's what I did On those 77,000 shares. You can go find all those people and you can go like their pictures.
Speaker 1:That's data and you can write in there.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's all, it's all engagement. It's posting a story once an hour, so every hour or so your thing is popped up and sliding on the top of someone's Instagram feed so they're more likely to watch your stories. And you can find the times six am, nine am, when it's best to release pieces. I studied all those algorithms and I tried to find the maximum reach possible, always. And that meant being on the phone all the time, all the time, and I loved it so much that I was doing it when I woke up in the morning to when I went to bed at night, and so when I stopped working, it just didn't make sense to do anything else. Like, my favorite things to do on a break or in free time is I'll go play with my dog or I'll go to the jacuzzi. I love being in my jacuzzi. Friday, I tried to go to my jacuzzi two different times and I couldn't do it. I was like I don't deserve to go sit in a place, I just needed to be doing something, and so that's kind of how the last four or five days have been, but and I've already rambled too much I've probably gotten a little off topic. One of the things that I wanna, one of the things that I wanna make sure that I say, is what's been fascinating to me is I keep waiting to feel more angry?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I haven't felt angry yet, like I've been really fucking sad and I've been a little nervous, but I haven't even really been nervous. I haven't been angry or nervous. I've been excited. I'm really excited for the future and I have no idea what it looks like. I really don't yet, but I have. I even my friend who was the vice president over at Chirun. He reached out to me A few different people have reached out to me that I think it won't be very hard for me to find another job in golf. But then I've also gotten the point where I don't know if I want to work in corporate college.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And especially the way that it ended at Angel Park. If I, if I don't want to work, like I wouldn't go back to work there now, now that I see the way that it kind of went down, and if I don't want to work at my favorite place, you know right, like, like I don't know that I even want to go work for one golf course.
Speaker 1:So it's funny. It's funny right. So, like I think you were, I you know I'm born, and I'm born and raised in Las Vegas, as is Matt. Angel Park was the first place I ever played golf with my dad, when I was six, seven, something like that. My dad, all the time my grandpa was a marshal out there. He was at the bar every single day. My, my grandma, step-grandma, whatever you call her she was. She was a pain in the ass and he would hang out at that bar every day because he lived down the street and he was there every day and my dad took me out there a couple of times. I've told the story on the golf at the park podcast, which is yet to be aired, and hopefully we we hear that at some point it will be aired.
Speaker 3:It's just going to have to drop on on a new.
Speaker 1:YouTube channel.
Speaker 3:I haven't decided if it's going to be my personal one, but yeah, yeah, but yeah you'll hear that story, but it you.
Speaker 1:It was a community park basically for the most part. For years and years and years, arnold Palmer King of golf designed it right, so it has always been a community aspect and you really broadcast that aspect of it 20 years later and brought the community to it because it's always been that place but nobody really saw it. The way that you broadcast it, it's the world or social media, and it's it's just. It's a shame and I mean it. I've I've been so pissed because I'm not a corporate guy and it's just. It just blows my fucking mind. And we are allowed to cuss on this podcast and we weren't on golf at the park, but we're. It blows my fucking mind that somebody would take that away from a community of golfers when it only benefits the golf course because it literally did not cost them anything and there has been a generation or two probably that have been going there since they were kids or because it's the only lit spot in that side of town and it just, it's just, it's just. That's why I was so pissed, because it fucking blows my mind.
Speaker 2:Well, we would say all the time, like God, I wish it was closer Totally.
Speaker 1:We would go there so much more.
Speaker 3:In this last year I've had more people tell me that they wished Angel Park is on the other side of town than I've had people tell me that they like the show that comes up Always, Always.
Speaker 2:There should be 10 Angel Parks in this town, and there's one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're in base. Well, it does not stop, and you know, to be fair, they're going to do cool stuff too. So I'm also bummed that I'm not going to be a part of that. But also they're probably going to raise rates, you know. I mean, it's the way that it's going to be and I'm not here to say whether that's a good decision or a bad decision. I just decision. I'll say it terrible there's there's just there's something that I feel like definitely could be something in the middle, and I don't know why they were. You know, I think that the, the feedback from the community must have kickstarted something a little bit, because I was told that I didn't want me to do the show and it was cool because they said I mean, it wasn't cool but I wasn't going to surprise me if the day came that they came and said that they didn't want me to do the show, that that I would have been surprised of and wasn't, and I thought that I handled it well. Because they handled well. They said we don't want to discourage you from doing it and if you want to do it on your own time, I think that they thought that I wasn't putting near as much time into my job as I do.
Speaker 1:Let's get into that real quick, because Gage did ask for the play by play, because you did post a video where it was like it's on, I can do it on my own terms. And then you posted that video that said a few hours later, and then you got let go. So how did that that two, three hour time span work out? What was that like?
Speaker 3:because it wasn't that fast. What happened was so I got let go on. I guess I'm going to have to make sure that I even got the days right that I like you'd like on Thursday. I think it was Thursday, I think so.
Speaker 1:Wednesday or Thursday.
Speaker 3:Oh, no, I think they canceled. No, they canceled the show on Tuesday. I got like no, on Thursday, that's what happened. They canceled the show on Tuesday and I went to my stories and just posted a little thing that said I can almost remember word for word I said, well, got some bad news today golf, the park is no longer going to be on the air. And so that's what happened to me today. I just said it, just like that yeah. And it started kind of a thing because there is reach now and and people who care about the show, and so once one person heard that, shared it and they shared it or someone would tell someone else, and then my phone started going off and texts and messages started coming in and and so the next day I went in and I went to my last morning when I was going to record the show right, my last so that's when I sat down and recorded the hey, but everything's going to be all right and I even tagged it out like from your friends at Angel Park because it was goodbye, it was like see you later. But I wasn't going to post on Angel Parks page because we weren't doing any more golf, the park stuff, it was just going to be on my stuff and it was. But yeah, the next day I was in my office and I was working and I looked down at my phone and it was out, and so I went to my computer and when I mean out, my Instagram was like kicked out, and so I went in and I told our HR person and then I was asked to go into my general manager's office and that was it. So I think I think there was some frustration with with the minor PR hit that which I guess is what you would call it. I mean, I don't, it was definitely minor, but it was significant enough that I mean it. It made them make their decision. I think I mean it doesn't make much sense. Yeah, anything other than that to me. And and again, man, it's, it's a business thing. I, yeah, I can get it get mad about it, or I can just figure out what I'm going to do next.
Speaker 1:You know, I know when I, when I saw your review, I told you that, like during COVID, when we were slow with my job, I wish I had taken opportunities to do something with it. And I think you are presented with an opportunity currently to really build upon what you've built the foundation on, and I think that it's your time to really try and do something. And I think you have done something and, yeah, it might not be the biggest shit in the world, but it's something and that's that's where you have to start from.
Speaker 2:So it resonated with the community so many, and that's what was special about it, because you know in this town of transience that there's not a lot of things that we can grab onto and say this is ours. That show was you know it wasn't for the tourists. It wasn't for the people playing you know a thousand dollars at Shadow Creek. It was for the people that play the Tuesday afternoon at Cloud Nine with their boys and and that's what resonated with everybody, and they shit on it and it just it's upsetting, yeah, and being a local podcast, like you know, we weren't really competitors but we were in the same market, right.
Speaker 1:Like we are here for each other. You know we hyped you up as much as we possibly like. If somebody came in and shut down Chase and daylight podcast, I would be fucking in, I would be whatever I could do. Like it's bullshitting, right, it's tear, it's such a shit. It's shitty. Like it makes no fucking sense at all.
Speaker 2:That would be my life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, erica, do not, do not shut down the chase and daylight podcast, or I'm coming for you. But go ahead, go, go, go Jed yeah.
Speaker 3:No, but I mean the good news is is that I'm definitely going to do a show. I don't know what I'm going to do for work, but the show, the show turned in oh, that was something that Matt asked is into what it became. The show started out just as trying to be a way to tell people about people who play at and work at Angel Park, so the first four episodes were all employees it was Alan and Karim and Ben, even though we ended up reshooting has and then it turned into locals and and regulars. And then we had some group leaders and then we started getting into more influencers and I think Shayna Shayna Lennox you guys all know her she was the first kind of person that that the people knew through Instagram but didn't know her, like they hadn't met. But everybody kind of knew who she was, and so that was fun. When we got her on, we got to start talking about more about content production and content consumption, and so the game kept growing. But what it always was, interestingly enough, was a conversation about the differences in generations of golf, because there's a YouTube generation right, and kids who learned how to play golf just by watching YouTube, and there's the pandemic and and and so golf has changed, and and then there's. So I've always said purists and new golf is my best way to just chop it down into short terms, but the show ended up becoming about all of that, all of the people who like each other or who want to know about each other, and then about content and about golf and about everybody's different view of golf. I think that's the most important. We all love, we all love golf, everybody loves golf. If they get into it, they love it. You don't start and then get out, you don't, but but everyone loves it different and I like. I like talking about those.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you always ended your episodes asking people five questions. Right Was five questions.
Speaker 1:Yep, All right what five.
Speaker 2:What part five? What was, what was a part five? What were the questions? Because you're asked say the questions and ask me yeah, I want, I want you to answer them, because I'm sure everybody that has at ants answered the questions has always been curious what your answers were.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, that's fun. Yeah, um question. Number one is what's your favorite golf movie? And my favorite golf movie is 10 Cup and it's not close, and I love. I could have guessed that, yeah but I am 10 Cup through and through because he's the perfect encapsulation of my grandfather and my father and myself. It's just, it's the perfect golf movie. I that's also showing where I started to shift away from a purist, because the reason most people don't like the movie is because of the way it is. Spoiler alert. He doesn't want the US open, but that it's still the best movie. It's the best.
Speaker 1:I would have done the same thing on that poll.
Speaker 3:Right Under those circumstances? Yeah, no doubt. Oh, he's stubborn. Um well, I've gotten both of yours. Why don't you two answer on what your favorite golf movie is?
Speaker 1:Yeah, dan Jamie.
Speaker 3:Let's get it on.
Speaker 5:Go ahead, Dan. I would probably say 10 Cup also, Um, nice, Um, because I mean Caddy shack is caddy shack Everybody's, you know, everybody's like. Oh, it's Caddy shack or nothing. Caddy shack is fantastic, I love Caddy shack, but 10 Cup was it resonated with me more because Caddy shack came out before I was born. So I was like 15 years old when 10 Cup came out. I was absolutely in love with golf. I was trying to play golf every single day and I was a range rat, just like Roy McAvoy was in that movie. And so, yeah, it struck a chord with me and the ending was just it just made that movie, regardless if it was for 12 or not. That that's, that was the perfect ending to that movie. And and yeah, so yeah, for me it's 10 Cup, for sure.
Speaker 1:And Jen, if you don't know, dan used to work at Ender Park. I did.
Speaker 3:Really yeah. When did you work?
Speaker 5:what years I worked there, from 99 to 2002. Then I went over to Bay's best, to Caddy.
Speaker 3:The exact years that I was gone. I left in 98 to Caddy at Shadow Creek and then came back in 05. So you've worked three years at Angle Park since it's been open, of the five that I didn't work.
Speaker 1:That's funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right, jeremy, jeremy if you say seven days in Utopia, you can't do that. No.
Speaker 1:I'm not. No, let's go Say it, say it. No, say the Eagle and the Quadruple Albatross, whatever that Amazon movie is.
Speaker 4:No, I'm going to go. Uh, it's, either it's it's probably 10 cup or bagger vans, but I'd probably say Legend of Bagger Vans, that's a good movie. That's just. I'm just a classic golf. That's my two. Yeah, that's my two.
Speaker 3:We get a lot of Legend of Bagger Vans. We get that a lot on the show.
Speaker 5:Yeah, good movie All right.
Speaker 3:What was the second question? Question number two, what's your favorite club in your bag? And, um, it used to be my four wood, but that was so long ago I mean that was before really hybrids.
Speaker 5:That's how old I am.
Speaker 3:Um, I gotta say, my favorite club is gauged niches.
Speaker 1:Uh, there you go.
Speaker 3:I hit that seminar pretty good yesterday. That was as long as I was hitting the seminar and I felt great. So now my favorite club is a seven.
Speaker 1:You were smooth in that thing, Jed. Good to see you?
Speaker 3:Um, yeah, it was. It was a good time. Question number three Hold on.
Speaker 1:I think I think we got to do a triple joint. So I think we got to do Dan and Jeremy on all these questions. Yeah, he did. Yeah, I love it. Let's go.
Speaker 3:Lead off Chad, Go ahead. Favorite club in your bag, and why Jed?
Speaker 4:Um, definitely my putter. Um damn good putter, Damn good putter.
Speaker 2:Uh, I just feel like I was going to say whatever title is, driver this week is in my bag. Driver is very low.
Speaker 4:It's number 14 on the list. Yeah, putter for sure. Like I feel like I'm always comfortable on the green, no matter what put it is. I feel like I'm going to make the putt. I just love putting it's. It's really the best part of the game.
Speaker 3:It's fun. I'm always envious of the people who's putter is their favorite club. That means you can putt well and that's the hardest thing to do.
Speaker 1:True.
Speaker 3:What about you Dan?
Speaker 5:Uh, driver for sure. Um, just love hit bombs when I can, um, but uh, also too, I'm kind of uh, I pride myself in my low ball. I have a pretty good ability to hit a bit stinger, so yeah, so it's fun. It's just fun to hit the driver, jed, wait till you see this guy hit a ball, it's just piercing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like welcome to Claire's.
Speaker 1:We're about to pierce yours, cause it's just what's your class.
Speaker 3:Like one 16, one 17.
Speaker 5:I'll do it.
Speaker 3:Hi, what's three?
Speaker 2:Um question number three is what's your aiming?
Speaker 3:fluid.
Speaker 2:Uh, so what are?
Speaker 3:you drinking out on the golf course, and for most of my life it would have been um, well, I wasn't drinking it on the golf course, but there you go. That was your answer, that's right. I'm not going to be a good driver. I've been a little bit of a loser, but it was, um, it was my whole life. I've never been a good driver. I was a good driver, I was a good driver and I was, uh, a good driver. So you know, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was a good driver, I was a good driver, and it wasn't drinking it on the golf course, but there you go. That was your answer. It's right, it's on the little advertisement. Um, I love my whole life. I loved Kila. Kila is the only drink I missed. But I'm a Sober, for it'll be three years in February and you go first. What's your aiming for?
Speaker 5:I would say probably either 805 or mango cart. Like 805 is probably 805 is like my favorite beer, but there's something about a good breakfast beer in the mango cart at like 9 am when everybody looks at you sideways, you know. It's just it's a good golf course beverage.
Speaker 1:It's a hitter.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm gonna say mango cart too. I think my life was changed at Torrey Pines last 2022. Is that the one that was?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I discovered mango cart with Dan and yeah, mango cart for sure.
Speaker 3:You guys need to reach out for a sponsorship. Yeah that'd be awesome.
Speaker 5:Golden Road Brewery. That'd be awesome.
Speaker 1:It's a girl that runs that brewery actually Really.
Speaker 3:Yeah, all right. What's four? Question number four is okay, so we changed the question. We changed it from what's your-.
Speaker 1:Let's go. Old school job, old school Old school job.
Speaker 3:All right so everybody when they had a bad shot golfers when they had a bad shot, they have a reaction. Everyone has a reaction. Some are internal, some are external, some are club breaking, some are club throwing. But the most common thing and the question was do you have this particular word that you say when you hit a bad shot? Because most golfers tend to go back to the same word. That was the original question and the way that I came up with that question was from James Lipton's Inside the Actors Studio, which is totally dating myself.
Speaker 1:It was the show Wow, wow, james Lipton, I remember him, yeah.
Speaker 3:Do you remember that? Oh yeah, Real Ferrell would do it.
Speaker 5:I think he would. That's right.
Speaker 3:He was a big beard, yeah, he had that and at the end he would opt for his favorite swear word, and I always that was my favorite part of that show is what the famous actor's favorite swear word was. And then when it dawned on me that all you hear on the golf course sometimes is swear words, it just made sense as a question that got changed. So we started it talking about anger. But we'll do it, old school. What's your favorite swear word? Mine is easy, and you would think it would be more common than it was. But I did have one other person say that it was theirs. But mine is jackass, jackass, and generally you're a jackass or jackass. Why do you gotta be jackass?
Speaker 1:Happy, go more, yeah type of stuff. James Lipton would be like what's your favorite swear word?
Speaker 3:Apples.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Gary, what's your favorite? Because we would also get people that don't swear too right, I swear.
Speaker 1:It doesn't have to be a swear word, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh Matt, you hear that a lot when you play with me. Oh Matt.
Speaker 4:I use them all evenly, like equally. There's no discrimination on swear words.
Speaker 3:I say all of them. So you don't have a favorite, I don't have a favorite, I don't even know what you say.
Speaker 1:Played a lot of golf with Jeremy and I don't even know what he says.
Speaker 4:It's probably muttering like dumb ass, like under my breath, probably. Yeah, yeah, like what was that?
Speaker 3:So do you find that you can shake it off pretty easy?
Speaker 1:Jeremy is of the club breakers club Not when I got his Vokey Wedge for free.
Speaker 4:I had a history of breaking clubs and it's funny because they're all wedges, so I've been really good. I think I haven't. I think I've broken one in two years now. So Since the SM eight, yeah, since Joe got. Yeah, since Joe got my sandwich out of the garbage.
Speaker 5:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, remember, jeremy the three wood and you smoked the team marker at Bears Best I did, I did smash my three wood into the team marker at Bears Best.
Speaker 4:So yeah, that was maybe a year. Huge dent. Huge dent in that I still have that club and I might put a shaft in it and try seeing if it's still viable. But yeah, I'm a club breaker in recovery.
Speaker 5:Definitely, dan. What do you get? I think with me I have this patented one handed finish move Yep, usually followed by a fuck.
Speaker 1:So that's yeah, I don't really, I'm not really fancy.
Speaker 5:Yeah, just a lot of one handed finishes and a lot of F-Words.
Speaker 3:All right, I want to do you guys first on this last one, question, number five what's your dream for some? Who wants to go first? Dan, you want to go first. So yeah, any three people a library did to play one round of golf with. Who are you picking and where are you going to go play golf?
Speaker 5:Where would be fantastic. My father, my grandfather, who also pretty much both of them brought me in in the game, and then probably, you know, you would think you'd be like Tiger or something like that, but honestly, because my grandfather was Mexican and I grew up watching golf with him all day, lee Trevino.
Speaker 2:Great answer.
Speaker 1:I said I said I said four different groups. So I'm pretty yeah you got a lot of you.
Speaker 3:You won the title for the most.
Speaker 1:The most. Where are you playing, Dan?
Speaker 3:Oh, um that was a good question.
Speaker 5:That's a good question. I mean, if I could pick anywhere, I mean it would probably be. It would probably be for me anyway it would be Cyprus point. But just for the historic of everything I'm going to say, right next door at Pebble, my father's with Cyprus.
Speaker 3:He had him on the show.
Speaker 5:That's my ultimate number one to get on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he said it's the most beautiful place in the world.
Speaker 5:I wouldn't doubt, and also to I'm a huge. I'm a huge Mackenzie fan.
Speaker 1:So you know, you know, you know, you know who else worked on. That is Mike Strantz.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's true he did. He did a little of the Reynolds and Monterey Peninsula.
Speaker 4:All right.
Speaker 3:Jeremy.
Speaker 4:Oh man, I got to go with my dad, freddie couples, because he's he's my dad's favorite player and that's the player that I loved when I was a kid and still do.
Speaker 2:You ever know that I saw Freddie couple. Yeah, I was going to say yeah, I love Freddie couples.
Speaker 4:I'm going to say my, my fourth is probably a selfish one for me and I'm going to go as much as I love to do Tiger. I'm going Jordan speed. I just love watching him play everything about his game. I love watching him play title list and, funny enough, I would also choose Cyprus point. That's the place I want to go In the world, so yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 3:So what's mine? Mine is mine would be my brother first. My brother and I grew up playing together. He actually has played all the way through. He's much better player than I am. He can really play and he enjoys playing, and so he would be number one with a bullet. My second one would be someone that no one's ever heard of. It's watching the show, but he's a singer songwriter at a national by the name of Todd Snyder, and he's been my guru for the last like four or five years. I'm a songwriter on the side, it's just what I do as a hobby, and I would love to play golf with him. And then I would play golf with my oldest daughter, bonnie Karen. She got into the game. She played left handed, and she's not even left handed. That's just the way she's playing the club. She was 26 now, so she played guitar hero and played golf left handed.
Speaker 5:So that's who.
Speaker 3:I'd play with my daughter, my brother and Todd Snyder, which is really weird.
Speaker 2:Where are you teaming up at?
Speaker 3:Augusta Period All day, every day. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I would be a bit second.
Speaker 2:Okay, so there you go. Did you? Were you able to see the difference prior to you doing what you did with the social media? As far as people coming to the course course recognition, was there a way for you to say, like, if corporate came to you and said, prove to us what you're doing, did you guys have a way to see what was happening?
Speaker 3:Well, it's hard to track Hard, hard numbers, right? Because one of the things that I wanted to do in the summer was to try and offer like a link or a code through our social media channels for, let's say, 10% off, but it would be a way to track If they're clicking that link. You can only get that if you're on YouTube or if you're on Instagram, right. So, but they didn't want to do that. They were like why would we do discounts and discount resort rates? So so it was hard to track it. But what I can tell you is by certainly by the end of the summer, by September and October and November, I booked at least a foursome and sometimes as many as 16 players, resort players from SoCal and from Phoenix. I just booked them myself, so you could go into the T sheets, I guess, and pull that my name booked those resort rates. But I don't think I don't, I don't think that they think that it mattered, it moved any needles. A lot of the, a lot of the groups would come in on on discounts sometimes, right. So if I could get a guy a resident rate that was coming in on resort, he was going to do footage, then I would try to do that for the one guy that was shooting the footage.
Speaker 1:And, but they're not impeding anyone at that point.
Speaker 3:Oh, and and and they were cool with that.
Speaker 1:Like.
Speaker 3:I didn't have a problem doing those types of things and nothing was ever taken advantage of, but I don't think that anything was shown enough on the positive side that they believed anything was happening, which is kind of crazy. Yeah when you think just about the one contest that we had and the amount of engagement. I mean, I know we gave away a driver, but the amount of people that posted, I mean, it was unreal. We had 108 submissions. We had 108 pieces. I think I shared 33 on Angel Parks page that we accepted collaborator with. But I mean we had. We had over 100 people or pieces made by different people. The most let's see. Let me remember Brandon got had the most with 24 and Chris had second with 22, I think with the numbers so those two guys did did get close to 50. But then that's still another almost 70 pieces and very, very few people did more than one or two, you know.
Speaker 1:I mean on a conservative level, that's 2000 eyeball or you know, very conservative level on a very.
Speaker 3:You know you can go off those. You can see how many you can go to those pages. Yeah, See how many times those real to them play. And I would print those out and I would take a man and I would try to show them. But there just wasn't. There wasn't a. It didn't, it didn't spark with them.
Speaker 2:So what do you think it would take for them to go? Wow, well, this is cool. Or is it just nothing that they understood? I'm just I'm curious because we see the benefits. We're golfers, we see the benefits of it and we trash the courses that have a shitty social media outreach Totally and do it all the time. Yeah, and so I'm just, I'm so frustrated because I see so many courses that have so much potential to do amazing things. You guys did it. It was successful. Why? What is it going to take for them to go? This has value, is it all bottom line?
Speaker 3:Is it all?
Speaker 2:just numbers.
Speaker 3:Oh no. I think that if, if another course they're going to copy whatever. When we started doing local or live music in 2011, 2011 is when I because I was a musician I said, let's put. Let's put music on the patio or patio is perfect, and when the weather's nice, it's the best place in town to sit. Yeah, let's just put a live band out there and see what happens. And we were packed. Once a week, we had 100 people on that patio and then, within six weeks or two months, rhodes Ranch had a live live music night and legacy had a live music night and then everybody started taking the idea. Once one course is successful, I think that they will start, yeah, tapping in, but it's going to have to be successful. Where it comes, it comes from like I don't think they're tapped into Word of mouth as much as as maybe they should Guys like Malosi in Southern Utah.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 3:The word of mouth just around him is is so impactful that when he shows up at Angel Park, there are all of these different people who are just there to play, just random customers who are like that's Malosi, right. And that happened with Joey cold cuts out at our golf course and that happened with Eric Anders laying out at our golf course. I mean, we had these guys that are heavy heavy hitters and so many of those eyeballs in their homes see them at Angel Park and so the next time that they're coming to Vegas they're more likely to go to Angel Park. That's not a number you can quantify, but it's. It's a hard number to guess. I think is what you guys are saying. Yeah, it would. It seems odd that they don't.
Speaker 1:They don't take that Malosi may have single handedly exposed the secret destination of St George golf and raise the rates in that city. Yeah, he could have.
Speaker 3:Yeah, potentially they start. Yeah, because he's promoted it so well, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2:Okay, joe brought up the rate Topic real quick. You, you were in golf sales and you saw the golf world in Vegas prior to covid, where there was $19 after three, there was 24 after four, there was, you know, monday through Thursday, $39 after noon and now all that is gone. One of my biggest beefs that I have and I want to get your. Take your thoughts on this from the other side of the counter. With all the water restrictions that have come down, you know, southern Nevada is leading the world in water conservation. I mean it's amazing what they are doing and the golf courses are taking a hit for it. They're not allowed to water as much. They've had to reduce grass, they've had to reduce water features and the courses are just not as nice as they used to be Not all of them. There are still some, like mountain course right now looks incredible. Darden is an amazing job. It's in phenomenal shape. It's a lot of the courses don't have as much watering ability. The courses are inferior to what they were five years ago, but the rates have tripled, quadrupled. There's not a lot of businesses out there where you get an inferior product and you're paying more. Typically, that will close a business down. But for golf it's like the opposite. You can put trash out there and charge people ridiculous amounts of money and they're going to pay it. And what's going on with that in your opinion?
Speaker 3:Well, I think again, you have to go back to and I think every business should at least intrinsically know this we're a tourist destination. We're built on resort money. The entire city is that way, so it's not odd that golf is that way too. However, we're also such an interesting seasonal town and that's how it affects golf Because we have a couple of really amazing months that we can sell our golf course, and then we have shoulder seasons where you don't know what you're going to get, and so the demand is up because of the pandemic. So I don't know really how to get into. I mean, it's almost an economics discussion Of supply and demand. But I think the important thing to remember is that the locals are going to be who always take care of you, right? Not the tourists. You make the money off tourists. But there's something to be said for and it seems cheesy to keep saying it, but it's just, it's the only word to use for it. It's a golf community, and to try to be as in touch with that as possible, I think should be every golf course's goal.
Speaker 4:So A question I was wondering about.
Speaker 1:They need to go watch Casino. They need to go watch Casino. Make sure all the blueberries are in the muffins for the tourists, and then you can skip their locals a little bit. It won't be cool.
Speaker 4:So a quick question. I was wondering on that same kind of idea and you know, obviously we don't want to know the inside information on Angel Park but what percentage of the tea times every day are for locals, if there is like a sort of a range.
Speaker 3:Well, it doesn't really work that way, right. The way that it works is tournaments get first shot, so groups are booked, just like Matt was trying to book a VGN group with me next October. So we'll take group bookings at any time. So groups go on first, and then, I think, resort players can book times 90 days out, right, and then, as you get closer and closer in, that's when locals and card holders can book rates. So it's not that we really hold any rates necessarily just for resorts, but what they do do is the dynamic price it's the same as an airline would do it and to try to maximize the T sheet and get the most out of the rate.
Speaker 4:So that's how that works. So yeah, I mean, there's some courses in town that don't appear to care about locals at all Valley High.
Speaker 2:Rio.
Speaker 4:Seco. I mean, their excuse is the dynamic.
Speaker 2:They're dynamic pricing.
Speaker 3:It's so easy to be on a show that is just openly trashing golf courses, Because that was one thing we made sure we didn't do on the show. I was like we can talk about other golf courses, we just can't trash them. There's the one thing man Like chasing daylight podcast.
Speaker 1:Where are you going to tell you the truth? No matter what, it doesn't matter. We're going to tell you where you should play, where you shouldn't play, at any time of the year, and anybody that's listening to this. You can hit any one of us up on this podcast and we'll tell you don't play there, Play here. We'll tell you where the best conditions are anytime. We are always available for you and we'll let you know what you should do If you're visiting Vegas or you're a local or whatever the case may be, because we get around and we know what's going on in the city and we'll let you know and we'll tell you the truth always.
Speaker 4:Sometimes the truth hurts Mic drop.
Speaker 2:Joe out yeah.
Speaker 3:Thursday the truth hurts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So we have said the great reset, we're. I can't remember who somebody tagged it. Maybe it was El Dan that said that, or it was. Somebody said the great reset and I said I'm gonna use that yeah, the great reset is gonna happen.
Speaker 1:It might have been Brett. I think Brett's been using that a long time. Yeah, you know what? You're right, I think?
Speaker 2:it might have been him and all these million new golfers are. Some of them are gonna stick around, a lot of them are not, and golf is gonna get a reset of this. Oh my God, we have so much money coming in. This is amazing to holy crap. What do we got to do to get people on the golf course? Do you see that happening?
Speaker 3:Well, we saw it happen in 08, right when the crash happened and everything, and Tiger was on the way down Not on the way down is the wrong way to put it, but not 97, 99, Tiger and no, there was a summer at Angel Park like the summer of nine maybe where, if I could get $25 on a Tuesday morning, we'd sell a golf group for $25, just to guarantee that we could fill the tee sheet, Because if it was too hot we weren't gonna have anybody playing golf on the golf course. So, it would be a good time. When that happened, and, yeah, you would assume that it's going to happen. Who knows when, though? I mean golf does not seem to be anywhere near that, in my opinion. Will it happen? Yeah, will it happen in the next year or two, or maybe probably not? Yeah, I mean, it's gonna take a while, so they're just gonna ride the wave, you know, and it's tough, like you said about the water, you're not gonna get any more golf.
Speaker 2:No, we're not. You're only going to get yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was another thing with desert pines going away. Royal Inks went away.
Speaker 3:We're only losing golf courses.
Speaker 2:Silverstone's gone. Did you guys? Do you think that has also led to so many more people going to different courses because there's options are now limited?
Speaker 3:Sure well, we got a big bump when Badlands closed. Badlands closed yeah, they were right across the street from us and Angel Park got a huge bump from that, so that definitely is going to send people to other places. Have any of you guys been to Summit yet?
Speaker 1:No, can you get us out there?
Speaker 3:Yeah no.
Speaker 4:No, I didn't, Dan has. Dan has played it oh.
Speaker 1:Dan has played it. Yeah, dan has played it.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, what was that like? That's what I wanted to talk about was like that's the only course in town I haven't played. I figured one of you guys had.
Speaker 5:Well, I played it really early and the clubhouse wasn't built yet, so we were still into trailers. But it was fantastic. I mean Discovery Land, they do golf right as far as how customer service, how they treat you, quality of golf course. Also, not a blade of grass untouched Soon as you walk in, they had a mimosas ready for us at the backdrop. Wow, yeah, it was ridiculous. I've never been a golf course like that. And then once you go in, everything's free, pretty much you know all the comfort stations, and then the golf course was like I said, it was beautiful, fantastic.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the views are amazing.
Speaker 5:Okay, it's not a super hard, golf course, but it's beautiful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the PGA proved that. Okay, is Shadow a thousand dollar golf course?
Speaker 3:No, is it a oh, go ahead. It's a five or six hundred dollar, golf course, yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3:I mean it's incredible. I can tell you that when I started there in 99, you still I couldn't thrive onto the lot. I had to park, like outside, and then get taken in on a cart. You couldn't take a camera in, like I wasn't allowed to even have a camera on me. It was a different. It was a different time in the 90s and it was incredible. But you know Southern Highlands and Cascada. They're all really nice too. Shadow Creek is the best and it's my favorite. But I just don't understand how anybody could ever pay a thousand dollars to play golf.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just don't get it. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:So what do you think is Okay? So how can I phrase this? So with, let's not take a tourist, let's take locals? Okay, take the tourists out of it. Okay, based on the golf courses that we have here compared to other places, I tell people, you know the thing that's awesome about Vegas, like I said to begin the show, you know it's December, it was 70 degrees. We have, you know, we can play 12 months out of the year. I've played in shorts in January, so it's, we have the benefits for being able to play year round, but is the prices are just insane right now and I think a lot of the courses are charging just way too much for the quality of the course. And does it? Because this is what I say, I'll bring the tours back into it. Somebody comes here and they get charged 350 bucks to play Valley High. And they come and they experience Valley High, which I mean, joe's not a big fan of Valley High, I like it. It's a $80 course. In my opinion, it's not a $325 course. So those tourists come here and they go there and they pay that and they're like, wow, this is way overpriced. But it's Vegas, I'm on a golf trip, I don't care. You know I've been in line at National where you know I get the local rate of 69 bucks. The guy behind me gets hit for 190. You know. And Wild Horse? You know we pay $49 and the tourists are paying $125. And it's like they're not going to come back. In my opinion, like you guys are charging way too much for this and there's no connection with those people, because there's no desire to get them back. Because they're here, let's get them for what we can get them for and they don't come back. Oh well, I don't care, we got their money today. Does that mindset need to change?
Speaker 3:Well, I don't think that they have that as a mindset. I don't think that they look at it that way. I think that they look at it as a. I don't think that they think people are leaving. What you're describing is people who play a lot of golf and play a lot of golf courses, and so, wherever they're from, there are really good golf courses, there are average golf courses. There are not good golf courses, and they rate them on what they're worth, and then that's going to be different in a small town than in a city, and they're in a city, different at San Diego, then Vegas, then Salt Lake City, then Denver. But what you're assuming is that people are coming here and paying that and then going home and saying, well, the golf was OK, but it wasn't worth what we paid for it. And I don't know that a lot of people are saying that, at least about Angel Park, and so that's one of the reasons why I totally understand raising the rates. I just I wish that there was more of an emphasis on locals and community, and that's where I think that. I just wish that. I think they were lacking that way.
Speaker 1:I mean I missed some of the conversation, but it's. It's like you can go to different parts of the country and play some incredible golf courses designed by incredible architects and pay less than you would at Angel Park, like I think Dan Dan and myself are big, like huge golf travel guys Next hitting green shirt huge golf travel guy and go play like a Mike Strance course at Caledonia or True Blue and pay $100. And you are playing a golf course like that is far superior than anything you're going to get in Las Vegas, unless you're going to play the huge dollars. Like you can go play Robert Trent Jones Trail in Alabama like Trent Jones did. He did Southern Highlands. You can go play something that he designed in Alabama for you know not, that's not private for $80, probably in Alabama. Like and I mean we're a huge transient town and it's built on tourist, I get that but like there is a lot of golf to be discovered across this country and there's a lot to see and I, I, I totally emphasize and influence and expect you to get out there and go see all of it that you can.
Speaker 3:You already brought it up. Probably already brought it up about St George.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, there are hidden gems.
Speaker 3:There are hidden gems, totally yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, jed, we haven't gotten this long in a while, so thanks.
Speaker 3:I was going to say we've been. I think it's our podcast ever.
Speaker 1:I think it's our longest podcast ever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Ding, ding ding. Thank you so much for coming on. I hope we got some of the the questions that people were wanting to know answered. We're excited for what you're going to be doing in the future. I know everybody's going to be staying tuned to Jed and the talent on Instagram to find out where this takes you. The the episodes Are you going to be able to get the old episodes?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I have. I have all the episodes. I'll be able to put those on a, on a web podcast or on podcast format there's. There's a lot of steps, but I've got guests booked and I'm ready to go. I just I don't have a name yet. I don't. I don't know how much I want to change a little bit of the format, but yeah, it'll be. I hope to have it launched not long into January. So that's, that's what the plans is. Check with me early 2024.
Speaker 2:Awesome. Any leads on where you're going to end up. Yet Is the free agent tour.
Speaker 3:Still no guesses. Yeah, yeah, we'll see. Well, you guys will do the first to know, right, awesome, awesome. Yeah, it could be a lot of different things. I'm not going to jump into anything too quick.
Speaker 2:Smart Mark. All right, joe, bring us home, let's, let's end this one.
Speaker 1:All right, thanks to my partners in crime, my so-called golf life. Bogey Free, 62. I am that guy, or Jeremy Mark Jen talent. Thank you so much, man. It's been a pleasure. Anybody that lands you as their talent at a golf course is very privileged. You are a futurist in the golf space and any course that does not see that are complete idiots, in my opinion. You are doing something that a lot of golf courses are not doing. We have held you in high praises for a long time and I think you're doing amazing things. Love your podcast, love the community you've built, and anybody is going to be lucky to have you. So thank you. Keep your head held high. You are going to land somewhere way higher on the mountain than you have been and I know we are behind you and I know there's a lot of people behind you. So thanks for jumping on the Chasing Day podcast. Awesome, we are welcome to have you anytime you want to chat or just event. We are here for you and you are going to do great things, my friend. So until next week. I think we got Rodin next week, right? Is that who we got lined up? Doc Rodin from New.
Speaker 5:Lullaby Golf. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1:I'm playing with him soon in Scottsdale. So and then after that I think we got Blind Squirrel Golf. I told him on Monday about now we've switched to Tuesday, so Blind Squirrel Golf. Shout out my homie, Blind Squirrel Golf, Wolf.
Speaker 3:Wolf.
Speaker 1:And in North Carolina he's the homie. He's doing similar things to me, but he played ballet hack and he's played the OSHA course recently, so Dan and him can get together on that. But a lot of great things coming from Chasing Day Live podcast. We're here for you every single week. Now we are doing live on Tuesday, but we are still dropping it on Wednesday, as long as Matt stays up late enough and can edit it.
Speaker 2:It ain't going to be 4 AM anymore. I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 1:Hey, thanks for tuning in.
Speaker 3:How long does it take you to edit this?
Speaker 2:It depends. It depends on how our audio and camera quality is yeah.
Speaker 4:Edit this out please.
Speaker 2:Can you edit this out?
Speaker 3:please.
Speaker 1:Hey, thanks everybody for tuning in and, as I said, we are here for you every single week. Shout out Jed and the Talon, go follow them on Instagram, get involved with what he's doing. Shout out Golf, loop, ledger, golf, and we'll see you next week. Until then, later mentioned you.
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