223: Harry Hall: A Candid Look at Golf's Rising Star

Matt: 0:00

Hey everybody, thank you so much for tuning into this week's show of the chasing daylight podcast. We're replaying an interview with our friend, harry Hall, back from October of 2021. This was fresh off Harry's top 10 finish at the Shriners, which got him into the Butterfield Bermuda Championship. He was in Bermuda and took a little time away from prepping for that tournament to chat with us about his life at UNLV and his professional career. He's been in the news a little bit lately because of his top play out at Colonial and which has, you know, increased his FedEx Cup standings. I think he's at 73rd now. He's really close to making the playoffs, which is going to be exciting, and so we wanted to play this interview for you because he's been in the news and We're pretty excited about the way he's playing. So thank you so much for tuning in for this one. We are gonna try and record something tonight with all the stuff that's been going on in golf With the PIF and the PGA merger, its US Open Week. There's just a ton of ton of golf going on, and so we're gonna try and get some people on and have a little round table about what everything that's going on. But in the meantime, it is Wednesday and I wanted to put something out, so please enjoy this episode and Thanks a lot for listening. Welcome to the show, everybody. I've got a great interview for you today. Former UNLV golfer and now professional golfer, harry Hall, joins us for an interview. He is live from Bermuda getting ready to play in his second PGA tournament event. With his top 10 finish to the Shriners, he made it into this field, talk a little bit about his UNLV career, what brought him over here, and just some good stories From one hell of a player. His name is gonna be more popular in the next coming years, i firmly believe, and it's not because he wears the same hat Bryson does. It's a kickback. Relax, enjoy this one. It was a blast and thanks for tuning in. Welcome back to the Chasing Daylight. Everybody got a nice interview series for you today on the phone with me, which I just found out. He's live from Bermuda, mr Harry Hall. How you doing today, sir, very good.

Harry Hall: 2:13

Thank you, matt, how you doing Well, it's beautiful weather today It sucks.

Matt: 2:17

You're not here to enjoy it, but I kind of, you know, would rather be where you are.

Harry Hall: 2:22

To tell you the truth, i Am Sat in a nice hotel room. I've got a band playing outside my patio door. I'm on the beach, gonna spend the other week in Bermuda and play in my And play in my Fourth pg Tour of it, so I'm excited life is good, right?

Matt: 2:47

Yeah, so I know a lot about you because I'm a UNLV junkie, been, you know, fan of yours, since, since you got to UNLV. But you're originally from how's it? Hale, england. Yeah, what brought you All the way around the other side of the planet to play at UNLV?

Harry Hall: 3:14

Wow, i'm originally from Campbell, which is a little town close to the, close to the hail that no one likes to tell Tell you they're from, so I'm actually from here. We moved that when I was about 13 to be moved up in the world.

Matt: 3:30

I was like people don't like to say they're from Henderson, they say they're from Vegas.

Harry Hall: 3:34

Yeah, right, exactly. So I'm actually from Cornwall. I grew up there with the primary school that when I was about I went away to boarding school for a year and play golf because pretty good, and got a scholarship and Came back to hail when I was 12 and Went just went to a normal school and it wasn't till I was about 16 and I was playing in some national events, member of what you know, the on the 16 boys team and the under 18s, and Had a lot of interest through college golf Coaches in America coming over the watch we play. And Phil row, who was from West Cornwall golf club, the same golf course I played at in Cornwall, england, was assistant coach of Stanford. He moved To UNLV in 2000, the end of 2013, just in time for me to sign in importing to go to a school. I could never have gone to Stanford academically and It was a blessing that he went to UNLV and Invited me on a visit because you know we have that connection from being from the same place. Yeah, i grew up there with friends kind of mentoring me that Didn't move on like he did to the states from where I come from and Yeah, what you know, he was the best school. I was looking at the time it went on a visit and saw shadow Creek, and I'm having spanish trails or Las Vegas country club, but you know, wow, 360 days is pure sunshine, you know so to be. Yeah.

Matt: 5:24

We, we kind of got it, got it lucky here. The the winner isn't really winter compared to the rest of the world.

Harry Hall: 5:32

Yeah, exactly. Well, you know, I spent most Saturday morning 35-minute. Our wind and water proofs and It hardly holds the colors, you know Zero, thirty-two in power flight.

Matt: 5:49

So what was, what was your reaction to Vegas? I mean, had you, had you been to a big city like that, like I'm sure you probably in the London right?

Harry Hall: 5:59

You know on the few times. It was my first time in America on my official visit.

Matt: 6:04

Oh really.

Harry Hall: 6:06

Yeah, i went to, went to Vegas and went to Marquette. In was constant, completely two different places and I Love Vegas. You know I was at the time I was 16, 17 and you know, like the big, i know I dressed enough, like the whole atmosphere that Vegas had, the golf, it was fantastic and, yeah, i loved it.

Matt: 6:34

You know I still did so you had a pretty, pretty outstanding career and in 2019 you awarded the Mountain West golfer of the year Only the sixth player in UNLV history to win that. So congrats on that. That's a nice little accolade to have, thank you. So after UNLV there was there's a little gap between that and your cornfairy start. What was going on between graduating and getting out on the cornfairy?

Harry Hall: 7:08

Well, i graduated in three and a half years, at the end of 18, and decided to do another semester at UNLV Just so. I played on the team and finished my you know NCAA eligibility and did a fourth year with the guys and You know another national championship and then Went back to England that summer and played in a few competitions and then played the Walker Cup, which is great Britain Island against the USA, which was something I always wanted to do because Phil Roe, who obviously helped me Progress in my career, was my coach at UNLV, played on the team. Oh nice, yeah. So that that was really cool to get that on my CB and you know, looking at his CV in the past, i was trying to take off everything on it on his one. So to get how the Walker Cup was really cool and every every golf from Great Britain Island really cherishes playing in the Walker Cup and That's kind of critical of them to go for us. That was really really nice.

Matt: 8:15

Who else was on that team with you? Anybody we'd know? No no, not really.

Harry Hall: 8:26

It's. It was amazing because I'm kind of Covid really affected a lot of people my age back in Europe because I haven't had a Q-School for two years, yeah, and They haven't been able to progress as much as you could. Over here at least we've had some, you know, monday qualifiers to play a system that you could, you know, graduate into and I know that the cornfrey tour was two years into one, but I still made it just because I got through Q-School and at the end of 2019, even with conditional status. So I played the Walker Cup Turn pro before I played any Q-School. I got an invite into the Alford Dunn Hill links, st Andrews teams, barns and car news team and play played that right after the Walker Cup and I Came 15. I'm playing my first professional then and I remember playing In practice round Luke Donald and seeing all the guys and I'm thinking, wow, it's my first tournament and I Like Kings Barnes the first they shoot to under, play St Andrews the next they shoot for under and I'm right on the cut line and Kings Barnes and St Andrews, because every rotation Everyone's at all three courses for three days and they all place an angel on the last day. She don't want to finish on car news to you really, because you kind of just started to stay where you stay where you're at. You know if I shot level pilot program being happy, but when they made the cut I knew I had to take it and I shot four under a car news team, which was a great score at that, and I made the cut by two and I'm on the same scores or a macro, and I Got, i got paired within that Sunday night. That Saturday night and I played my first professional event with Roy on Sunday, the home of golf, and, oh wow, shot 65 and damn in 15 and That was. That was a nice introduction to professional golf and something that you know I I'll remember forever. Just playing with Roy and having a bit of a crowd watchers and being a st Andrews and My dad watching. Now that was awesome. And after that I came over playing corn for a talk U school But through all the way to finals that made me a concrete or member. I came 113 for finals, in the top 40, get their automatic starts and we're in a place of 113. I was never gonna get start on the corn very tall, but it meant that I could do the Monday qualifiers for cheaper and if I did get some events Then my points would count, because I was a member. Oh nice. If you're not a member, you have to do Monday qualifiers and get, you know, 350 points before you even eligible for a reshuffle or To be in the in the field automatically. So you know, i, i, i got through Q school But never had a star, and then code. It happened. So I was trying to call and I didn't qualify for the first couple Because you can't qualify for Bahamas, and then the events in both of us are the Panama I try to qualify for for a few And I didn't make it. So there was about 10 events to start the season. I didn't play it and then code. It happened in that February, march. So Four months later I'm doing some Monday qualifiers and, like I kill it, i get in three out of nine Mondays, which is a really good percentage.

Matt: 12:27

Yeah, and yeah.

Harry Hall: 12:31

And I. I came to 36 in Utah and because I was a member, my points counted and I got in the next reshuffle and it meant that I had the next three events On the corn pro tour and I go miss cut, miss cut, second place and I'm on the corn pro tour ever since. I managed to finish 2020 off well, with a few top tens, and I finished 67th on the list, playing half the events of everybody else, but at least that got me a full schedule in 2021 where I won an event. This year I didn't have my best year on the course and that win kind of really made the year look like it was and I'm very thankful for that. I got the job that I did in the clutch and when I wasn't content, i finished it off, but that was kind of that. I was one of the top 10 for 2022 event. You could be saying, well, i don't know, it wasn't a great year, but I made it to the finals, i'm comfortable and I'm in the same spot as everybody else. Coming next year, you probably go with my my honest career. Finishing the Walker Cup was great, but prior to the Walker Cup, i hadn't been a star. A lot of people probably wouldn't have picked me to come on and do so well and went on the Corn Freight Tour and my top 10 of the Shriders a couple of weeks ago. People probably wouldn't have chose me to have the results I've had after college, but I kept on going and kept on taking a step up the ladder. Hopefully I can do it for many more years to come.

Matt: 14:32

Oh yeah for sure you are Too much talent. So back in June, right before the Wichita, you put something out on Instagram that just really increased my level of respect for you. So I'm going to read this what you wrote I've had this photo of my library for a while now. I've been waiting for a good result on the course to post it, but that hasn't happened. Then I realized that's me falling into a trap of only posting positive, successful posts when life isn't really like that. I have failures all the time, but tend not to share them with others, except those close to my team. I am where I am today because of how I deal with failures and, fortunately for me, when we can change a lot of things in my world. Then you went out and won. Had you always had that mindset, and just I'm trying, instagram and social media can really overtake somebody. Was it something that happened that? had you realized that, or have you always thought like that?

Harry Hall: 15:31

You go through spells, don't you? Obviously, everybody goes through ups and downs. You never see it, do you? You never see it on social media. I just thought I need to switch something up. It's negative, but I'm not posting at all. If you only post positive stuff, that might flip your mindset. But if I'm not posting at all, that's kind of negative because I like to post and I like to say relevant, but obviously something was going on where I wasn't playing good enough goals. I think that I deserve the post of turning by the ballot and nobody wants to know that. I think it was just a very spontaneous thing. I thought you know what. I'm going to post this for that, because I like it. It doesn't matter how I play. What does it matter? I mean, you want to be a nice person, a good person. If I came T50 last week and not T5, someone might think T50 is a fantastic result and I'm on the corporate tour I loved it.

Matt: 16:53

I thought it was great and I wish more people in the spotlight would post that. I mean, it's so easy to get this glamorous life of a professional golfer out there. Local knowledge we just said in our podcast this last week they had a great episode talking about mental health and a lot of the struggles that some of these top guys, like Matt Wolf and a couple of other players, are going through. It's nice to see that side of it. Of course, everybody wants to see the fast cars and the hot chicks and the big checks, but that's not everyday life, even for the top players in the world. That's not their everyday life. So I was glad that you embraced that. It freed you up a little bit mentally and you had a hell of a tournament.

Harry Hall: 17:43

I think that I've posted a lot to do with fifting my mindset and having a refreshed week for sure.

Matt: 17:56

It's subconscious.

Harry Hall: 17:56

It was in the back of my mind that I took a little bit of weight off my shoulders and a little bit of pressure and thought I had a lot of support. Everybody loved that post. I got a lot of messages after saying H respect, that It was nice. I think a lot of people feel like that all the time. If they don't post for two weeks, they're probably going through it and they're waiting for a chance to do something positive to come up to give them an excuse to post. I think now that I've done that, i need to not do it more often. but I definitely noticed this when I'm going through those spots again and still posting. It's healthy to do.

Matt: 18:53

Let's get some beach photos out there. Bermude is too beautiful. Want to touch on Shriners, of course, but before you got into Shriners, a rumor was swirling around and Phil confirmed this for me You had a match against Taylor to see who was going to get the exemption. Okay, talk me through that. What was that like When we heard it? because somebody who told us that was this guy who was just annihilated out on the 17th at Shriners.

Harry Hall: 19:32

He had been drinking all day.

Matt: 19:37

He was telling us about it, so I didn't know how much truth there was to it And before we wanted to talk about it, we wanted to confirm. I reached out to Phil Reedy who was catting for you. He goes yeah, yeah, it happened. I go all right, let's hear from you. It's an amazing way to get into an event. You've got you and Taylor to the top guys on the corn fairy tour that are from UNLV. It's a home game for you guys. So what was that like?

Harry Hall: 20:06

Well, first off, I'd heard a few people around town, from the local businesses and the people I played golf with on a regular basis, that oh hey, just looking good, I think you're in the tournament. I'm like great. Then Patrick Lindsey, tournament director of the Shriners, says Harry, I've got a question for you. She might meet me at TPC Sunwinds tomorrow. I'm like, yeah, Patrick, I'll see you there. And I'm thinking, okay, he's just going to ask me if I want the exemption. He wouldn't invite me to the office to say no, would he? So I thought what other option is that? And when I got there I was obviously through the rumors. I knew I had a good chance. And yeah, complete bombshell. He says I've been thinking I can't decide. Do you want to play for it? We take a more government. I've got one spot left And I want to give it the one of you, not the one of the two. And obviously I'm not going to say no right To play someone one on one spot in the tournament is way better rods and a Monday qualifier, And I'm just very grateful for any opportunity I get and said that would be fantastic. Patrick, thank you very much for considering me. And the week later, to the against table. We had a local rules official, Kim Quinn, from the SNGA, and we went out there us too. It was pretty comfortable off the first tee because we were quite good friends actually and I had a lot of goals for each other the last six years. He was a senior when I was a sophomore at college, So he was a junior when I was a freshman. I did two years with him on the tee and we were good friends and hung out a lot. His games got fantastic over the last couple of years. I know that he's a tough competitor. Anyway, I shot 68, which wasn't my best score around Clipster-Sumlin, but he shot 69. He pretty tense actually. I had a three shot lead with five to go. I eagles 13 to go five under and he bogeyed it to go two under. I thought that was kind of it. It's not quite solid. I don't make any big numbers. I bogeyed 15. It drove right and hit three and went into the desert. I didn't get up and down, I bogeyed it and he parted. Then he burned 16 and I parted. This time only one in front was 17 and 18 to play. In that They're good, solid holes at TPC-Sumlin.

Matt: 23:01

The closing holes there are arguably some of the best in town. Yeah, exactly.

Harry Hall: 23:07

We both hit it on the green on 17, 18 and 25 feet and both missed. Yeah, but got him by one. That's so cool.

Matt: 23:20

I mean, I'd never heard of that. I thought it was great that they did that.

Harry Hall: 23:25

Everyone thought it was pretty great. They've never heard it either. All the players I played a pratt and strowman, i've been over JGus and Scott Pearsie and even a few other guys said hey, mate, by the way, did you? I have to play a playoff together?

Matt: 23:43

I thought they played that a little bit. That's so cool, okay. So question about Taylor. He didn't go to a corn very event because he qualified for the US Open. Makes the cut at the US Open. I got to know your opinion. I'm curious. You're somebody that's out there that's grinding.

Harry Hall: 24:07

So Springfield two weeks prior. Well, so, first of all, I don't know if Taylor had to go to local or not. He might have gone to local and qualified for sections. The US Open has a local qualified and an sectional. I don't know what he did. He might have been exempt through World Ranking Top 500. If not, he did local. I remember seeing him in Springfield, Illinois, where I came second in 2020. And I go you know we're on the chat, we're on the driving range And he goes hey, you're going to play in the US Open And I go see you. Through the Walker Cup, I was exempt in the sectional. So all I had to do is do a qualifier on the Monday or Tuesday of sectionals and have a great chance If you're eligible for sectional straight away. I'm probably the only one in this year that didn't go And I thought you know what I cannot miss a week from the corn pro to, I'm sitting 74 on the list and top 75. I think in the finals and every week, so important I kind of had the confidence if I can, if I can just be on the conference all this year and get my car, I'll play in the US Open for the next 25 years. That was my mindset. So anyway, I see him on the range and he goes. Well, you're not playing the US Open, You're exempt in the sectionals. But he was almost like joking around to say, well, you know what you're doing, but he's 19th on the list and he's not thinking anything of it. Anyway, the US Open comes around, He qualifies And it's a toy pines. Well, I'm in Wichita and check this out. He goes from 19 to 24th on the list, or he might have gone from like 22 to 26. I think that week might have moved him out. I'm not sure. Yeah, I think it did. I go from 74 to 36 because I won. I decided not to go to sectionals even though I was exempt, thinking, you know, US Open, I could play in a maiden championship And I decided not to do it because I valued being on the Contrary Tour so much and that I can't afford to miss a week. And I went on one in Wichita the same day that John Ram won, on Father's Day, a toy pines. So I would say that that's a pretty smart decision on my behalf, or at least it played well in my court. Oh yeah, Taylor, might you never know, he might not have had a good year out. Yeah, you still got to play.

Matt: 27:03

You know, you still got to play the events. It's not?

Harry Hall: 27:05

no, it wasn't a gimme that he's going to cut and get involved. I might have helped him give up for the rest of the year and you know he came second at Salt Lake City at the end of the year. You know he had a good few results after. but every point is really important And unless you were solid in the top 10 and locked your card up already, i wouldn't play the Wichita.

Matt: 27:39

Yeah, I think. What did you miss out by two points for the final 25?

Harry Hall: 27:46

Five points and then the finals. all we had to do, i think, was make the cut in Indiana, and you know we did, and I don't know how you can finish 26-26. I felt terrible. OK, thank you that you know. you never want to see that.

Matt: 28:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what? how often do you play out at Summerlin? So, for having such a great tournament, you know, getting top 10 on the PGA Tour at Summerlin, how often do you play there? to where you know, that course, and it gave you a little, if at any kind of advantage.

Harry Hall: 29:00

I play there a lot because I live too far away. I get a little bit of a outlet on the 215 and Russell and 70, 10 minutes from TPC Summerlin And when you're away for 23 out of 25 weeks on the corn front tour in a year when you are home for a day or two you're not going to. You're going to value your time And I love to go to the Chatham Creek. I play there, chatham Creek and TPC Summerlin and Spanish trails on the member at the TPC Summerlin And I consider it as the office you know they're so good They have like Cali balls close to home You can play a lot of other golfers you know with a similar ability and have a nice little friendly competitive match on the golf course. So I probably played 30 times prior to seeing it up this year at the tournament.

Matt: 29:56

Yeah, we played on Tuesday after the event. A friend of mine is a member out there And so he invited us out to play. Jeremy and I played on Tuesday and it was I've probably played it eight or nine times and it was, i thought, in phenomenal shape. I mean, the greens were just really, really good. Had you seen it? What do you think how the course was set up?

Harry Hall: 30:24

Had you heard about the course prior to the tournament?

Matt: 30:26

Oh yeah, with the nematodes infection and they weren't even.

Harry Hall: 30:29

Sure, Mate, I was away at the corn fray tour finals but they shut the course down for the members for three or four weeks because the greens were destroyed And I didn't see them. But everyone was saying that it was bad. Yeah, It was really bad and they had to get a PJ tour grominist in treat the greens. I was very impressed by the time the tournament came around, that the course was fantastic. I thought you know, yeah, I said whatever, whatever they did just rinse and repeat because the greens were amazing. They weren't, they were fantastic. They rolled through, you know they weren't lightening fast but by the time some day hit they were really firm. You know, on Monday they were so soft. So the ability they have, i think, with the weather and how they manipulate watering course they Vegas is probably a pretty cool climate to do whatever they want with the course And they got it in a fantastic place, especially with everything they had to deal with.

Matt: 31:39

Yeah, we were out there Friday, saturday and then played it on Monday And I was. I was blown away. I've been telling everybody it's probably one of the best Shriner events at that course in a long time.

Harry Hall: 31:51

Oh really, i've watched the Shriner a couple of times when I was at UNLV And I just remember it being so firm and fast, and it was by Saturday and Sunday.

Matt: 32:03

Yeah, it's a great course. It's underrated. I know it gets beat up a lot because people say that you know the scores are so high that it doesn't challenge the guys. But it's. I mean, it's not an easy course. I don't think There's some elements that can come into play And, like you said, if they can control the greens and get in firm, it can play tough.

Harry Hall: 32:26

Yeah, it's demanding off the tee some shots and you know around the greens If you miss the greens there's not many easy up and downs.

Matt: 32:36

You had a nice one on Friday, or was it Friday or Saturday? Were you on 15? Your bunker shot went long and you put it off the back right into the hole. That was nice.

Harry Hall: 32:49

That was nice. Yeah, I gave out a nice fishbone.

Matt: 32:54

That's a crazy hole And Joe and I played it. Joe played it for the first time last year And he loves. He's really into architecture and design. And one thing from the broadcast that you do not get about the 15th hole is the view from the tee box. They never show that, It's always, you know, from the little tower above the green. But that tee shot is really unique And I really would love to see them show that view because the way that I think it was a weed that designed that course, the way he designed that, it's such a different perspective standing there looking at it than in the overhead.

Harry Hall: 33:39

I think drive will pass for us. Fantastic. And it's so nice as well that you get a lot of drivers off that tee box And when they land on the green, normally they stay on the green. You know it's pretty rare, but yeah, you just got to commit to. You know that has it on the left And I hope it well. I do anyway hope it fades a little bit. You're on the green 80% of the time. If you're not on the green, it's great up and down hole. Yeah, you can get up and down around the green.

Matt: 34:16

You go from that one to the really scoreable par five. That's pretty much a two shot hole for most players. Yeah, a very challenging par three. And then the 18th hole is a great closing hole And when that, when that pin on 18 is up front, there can be some scary shots into that green.

Harry Hall: 34:37

Yeah, i managed to hit it to six inches when the pin was up front. That was nice, but I think the key there is getting a good drive away, because a lot of people are scared and they leave out the right and then you have, you know, 160 yards and not 130. And that's a lot tougher shot, especially when the three out of the four days the pins are tucked, you know the front and then middle left and then back left. They're all along the water. I played the last few yards really well in the tournament.

Matt: 35:15

Yeah, 66, 65, 68, 68. That's four really good days.

Harry Hall: 35:24

Yeah, Yeah, I was a little disappointed some day to you know, in the heat of the moment I felt like the weekend I had some better scores out there, I think, And I'm so used to playing deep sea sun and shooting six and seven on a consistent basis. I knew it was out there on the weekend, But I made a couple of mistakes. On Sunday I flew it into the hole on 11 on Sunday, Sam dunked in it, bounced out 20 feet and a late par, And then I had a shot on my life on nine out of a bunker. You know the bunker on nine to the left. Yeah, I hit it in there and I was at the ball below my feet and I was hitting this five on a five on draw and the Puma's front left. I hit the 20 feet and it's one of the best shots of the hit. I hit it into the third bunker, You know, into the furthest bunker on 13, the par five. I thought I could do a very similar shot hook it 50 yards and land it over that bunker, short the green and roll it up onto the green. I was in that bunker and that was. You know, that's a shot and a half right there, Cause then you're hitting a wedge out and and then I'm making bogey and you know those. Those two things change a little bit and I might have walked away. The second. I'll probably still in the court. Sung jamming is pretty impressive. Yeah, he was going nuts.

Matt: 36:56

Yeah, so are you. are you a uh uh analytical thinker like that, to where you remember all the shots?

Harry Hall: 37:05

I'm very statistical, yeah, always trying to figure out how I can improve by half a shot.

Matt: 37:13

You know it's I love I love talking to golfers because, um, i, the guy that I went and cattyed for out at the U S mid-am, he, he forgets the shot after he hits it. He, you know we'll, we'll be talking. We've done a lot of traveling together and it's, it's funny. He'll hit a shot and I'm like, oh, that's just like that shot You hit when we were at Cabot. And he's like what are you talking about?

Harry Hall: 37:35

And I remember Yeah.

Matt: 37:37

And so do I. I'm I and it's. Sometimes I've thought of it as a curse because I remember too much, like I shouldn't be remembering all this. Um, but I have a heart, it's just, it's just there. So that's, that's cool to hear that, uh, that your, your mind, thinks that way.

Harry Hall: 37:55

Yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm very statistical and my father called and kind of always have been since I got the U and I'll be in the field road in a very similar way Psychology grad, quite intellectual, And we, uh, we know the hour four years and I'm I'm still going.

Matt: 38:19

What did you think about the, the cornfair event that was at Paiute? What's your thoughts on that? Should they come back? Wait, the the schedules come out and I haven't seen it yet, but do you think that needs to come back?

Harry Hall: 38:31

Yeah, And they're not. Uh, there's not on the schedule.

Matt: 38:38

Yeah, I saw that there's. there's a gap in April and it's right around the master's time, So I don't know if.

Harry Hall: 38:46

I mean, there's oh is it was that to be determined, probably.

Matt: 38:50

I'm, I'm, fingers crossed. I haven't heard anything. We have a buddy that worked with the agency that put that event on Um and it was. It was there because of COVID. They couldn't do the Bermuda event Um, or the Bahamas, i think it was Um, so they they're on.

Harry Hall: 39:09

They're on now. The Bahamas are starting again in January. That'll be my hopefully, if I can play well this week.

Matt: 39:18

Let's, let's get you on the PGA tour.

Harry Hall: 39:21

That would be nice, but at the moment I'm scheduled to go to the Bahamas for the first time. You know the meter in Bahamas is not bad life, is it?

Matt: 39:30

No, not at all. Not at all.

Harry Hall: 39:33

I I feel like I should go home. You know I'm halfway home from Vegas. It's a short flight from England, very tentative.

Matt: 39:43

Well, hey, you get another top 10. You'll have a good reason to go home for a little bit.

Harry Hall: 39:48

No, i know I wouldn't, because I think I'd be in my coma.

Matt: 39:52

Oh yeah, Oh yeah, That's a good yeah, Yeah, So, um, what is? what is? what is the plan, or you know? do you have your schedule worked out for cornfairy yet, or is it? are you just waiting to see what happens over these next couple of weeks?

Harry Hall: 40:08

I'm. You know, i put, i'll put my hotel in the Bahamas, i'll see you at about 55 minutes. I promise, I promise What's going to happen. Go ahead, go there And then say hi, you see what happens For the first one of the year. So I'll be there As a as a writer, you know I'm I'm not expecting Too much out of this week. Obviously I'm gonna try my best and play well, but Realistically I'll. I'll be getting my tour card through the cornfrey tour next September. Um, please, it's lovely to have a chance to do it sooner. Absolutely, i'll tell my best week and see what happens. Did uh, did it fill earn a permanent spot on the bag or Uh, he couldn't come this week because you have to be vaccinated to Come to Bermuda and play in the event. And he wasn't vaccinated and it would have been You know, the window having that two weeks after your vaccination too close with the, he would have had to have the Johnson and Johnson too and there was a lot of other factors to why you couldn't, couldn't make it over, but I definitely would have had it with you, could have come. He was, he was fantastic in the week of the Shriners and, yeah, you guys are a great team. Yeah, i think, uh, we did really well, so we'll. We'll see what happens with Phil. He's a great player too, so it's gonna be hard to convince him that To county when he really just wants to play.

Matt: 41:40

Yeah he's. I know he's searching for that 59 at Las Vegas golf club. He keeps on boasting all these 60s.

Harry Hall: 41:48

Yeah that that event at Pai. I thought it's fantastic and Pai really Shined as a golf course. It was a shame that it's so windy the last day because obviously they made it so Furman fast that the course was almost Too punishing and you were chipping it and it was blowing 40 miles an hour and I would chip it 10 yards and it would move 40, four yards in the air and the greens were so quick that You know they kept going further away.

Matt: 42:16

So yeah, that's the only protection that course has is the wind.

Harry Hall: 42:19

Yeah, I thought Pai was Really nice.

Matt: 42:23

Yeah, it's our favorite. It's every year. It's our uh, our uh. We do a course rankings every year for all the Vegas courses and it's yeah, it's come out one, two and three both years. We've done it Really. Yeah, that's a good segue. So what, what is your favorite course in town? Is it shadow?

Harry Hall: 42:44

100, 100 percent.

Matt: 42:47

Okay, for those that don't know, what is it about? shadow?

Harry Hall: 42:52

shadow creek and pebble beach are my favorite Places that I played so far and they're very different. But shadow, you know it was dead flat ones. Right, it was the desert. And Now you go and there are waterfalls, you know, 50 feet high every trees, you know.

Matt: 43:15

For 100 years.

Harry Hall: 43:17

You feel like you're in the middle of the forest. You have no idea that you're in the desert. Wherever you have the golf course in Vegas, you kind of know that you're in Vegas and that you're playing in the desert. But you could It feels like you could be in switzerland, no joke, and it's. It's got a Augusta feel. I've never been augusta, but I've watched it on tv so many times with the yellow pins and undulating Greengrove shadow is. I'm going to be very surprised if I prefer Augusta over shadow creek And I say that this is. It's like fairyland for any golfer. It's so magical and I go out there. I've been out there every day at UNLV and, you know, every other day for the last two years and it still blows my mind every time I drive from. You know the front gate to the cunnows. It's just it's. Truly special. Yeah, the greens are Always a 12 and a half. You can Every green. You can put it the opposite way the pin will come back. You know, it's just absolutely crazy, so cool. The best hole Is 17. It's 150. Art part 3 and the green is like It's so narrow 35 yards wide and seven yards old.

Matt: 44:46

Yeah, it's so. It's just a little tiny piece of grass. It seems like when you're there.

Harry Hall: 44:52

But you know 20, 15 yards downhill, so cool.

Matt: 44:59

Yeah, the, the. I've played it once. I've gone out there a lot for the events that they have out there. But I got to play it one time and on 17 I hooked my tee shot into the the where the cart path is, and it bounced off a tree and Landed like 10 feet from the pin. Very unusual way to hit that green, but I did so. And then 18 is just Magical. What a, what a view from that tee box man.

Harry Hall: 45:26

Oh, Yeah, shadow has a very, Very close place to my heart, you know, and then pebble, pebble, just for the scenery and every shot. Just, i'm a quite an artistic player and I shape the ball a lot and I create golf shots and that place is The pinnacle of being an artist, if, if you like shaping the ball, you know playing real golf, pebble pebbles have to have you been up to banded?

Matt: 45:58

I've never been the band got to put that on your list. That's my favorite place on the planet By far by if I haven't played, but I haven't been to pebble yet, so That that may persuade me, but the abandon is pretty special, all right, so let's, let's wrap this up with uh, what's in your bag? What's your plan?

Harry Hall: 46:23

What I'm playing at, one sponsored by Cali, have been since I turned pro and Will be for a few more years and hopefully many more years to come. I love the brand and uh.

Matt: 46:36

I just saw your new Toronto wedges.

Harry Hall: 46:39

Yeah, got got my lines on the wedges. Won't have. There's a new full toe out which Toes go from all the way to the heel to the End of the club. Normally there's a little space there, but hasn't got any groups, um, but these groups go all the way from the heel to the end of the club. I haven't got that in the bag this week but I definitely will have. I just haven't had enough time to Kind of put it in play and practice with it, and my short games Done me well over the years anyway and I don't need to change it so So fast. So I've still got a new, just my, my normal wedging in play. But I use two drivers in the strikers. I'm going to be using two drivers this week. One One is 46 inches, one's 45, and the 46 one I tear it up hard and Give it a grip with a slightly different tempo, carry that about 330 in Vegas, and the short one carry about 300. So they are two drivers but They're different. They go different lengths of the base of, like different clubs, and I'll do the same here. Depends on windings, though I haven't. I'm playing in the wind for, you know, pretty long while, and I mean wind, i mean blowing like 40 miles an hour. Yeah, really it can. It can do that. Yes, sir, it's going to be interesting. I have about a seven women in my bag and I might not be very valuable when it's It's broken 40, so I've got. I've got apex, apex irons, four to nine, nine and then a 46, 51 and 55 and 59.

Matt: 49:00

Yeah. So what do you? what do you not have in that would be there if you didn't play two drivers?

Harry Hall: 49:08

Well, this year I played a driver three words, a seven wood. Now I've got two drivers and I've got the option of either a five wood or a seven wood. I haven't got that. The seven wood carries we're speaking Vegas numbers about 260, 255, and then I go to 300. So if I had the five wood it would make my gap in a little more. But most of the time when I've got that long driver now I haven't got too many three woods coming into many greens And the short driver is pretty, pretty accurate and I can grip down a little bit and carry it to 75 to 80 if I want to So kind of replace it with a three wood. But it's a little bit more forgiving. I've got an extra 20 yards most of the time and you put a three wood out of drivers too much, but it's not the case when you've got short driver. You can kind of hit it 20 yards by everybody's three wood but you're still in a good spot.

Matt: 50:18

It's interesting. So are you, are you a gearhead? Do you? do you know all your specs, all your swing weights, all your shaft lengths, all your all that stuff?

Harry Hall: 50:29

All my shaft frequencies and head weights and what. Yeah, i know that I've got my own off the line machine. I've been learning a lot. There's a guy with John Oder on the team when I was at UNLV Golf and he got me on the train. He used to go to the golf center and get all his clubs looked at and adjusted And I never thought about doing that. So I came over when I was 18 and never been exposed to, you know, any golf facilities like I had it at UNLV golf and went to a golf center a couple of times and gone you know, most months ever since just to check the clubs and wearing more and more from Joey and he's been fantastic in educating me. Yeah, and since since about a couple of months ago, i've had my own off the line machine, so I don't have to bother as much. but I just went in there just before I left this weekend. But a couple of shafts not down from 47 to 46, because there's going to be a new legal limit, isn't there? So I just show them. they were all okay and legal.

Matt: 51:51

So do you think there's something to the 48 inch drivers?

Harry Hall: 51:59

The only thing is, as soon as you go above 45, you know normal head weight for a driver's like 195 grams, and the longer the shaft you go you have to make the head lighter, otherwise it's going to be too wippy, you know. You put the same 195 gram head on it, it's going to be like a noodle And it's yeah, it's going to be a regular flex. You have to. You have to make the head lighter. So, for example, on the end of my 46 inch, a 10, say, shaft is a 40, 190 gram head, which is five grams less based on February inch. So if you're going to go to 47, you have to get 185. Then you start losing ball speed and smash factor. So your swing speed might go up but the ball speed might stay the same because the head weight is not as much mass behind the ball.

Matt: 52:56

Yeah, working harder did not get anything.

Harry Hall: 52:59

Yeah, so you have to kind of see what's optimal. And it's been funny I was actually, yes, since one of your podcasts just before we came on, because it was the first one, i thought I'd do a little bit of research and you the channel about how everybody's been saying that you know either way is the price.

Matt: 53:19

Dude, that was going to finish. I was going to finish with that. I wanted to know how long have you been wearing the driving cap, and do we need to let start calm, bryson? Hey, you look like Harry Hall.

Harry Hall: 53:32

Yeah, one day. One day I'll tell you what. The more I think about it. Bryson's obviously had a lot of you know aggravation in the media, probably since his start of his career, but in recent times, probably the last six months, it's probably become a bit of a hero for the average goal. The length that he's put on he's making the game really entertaining. What he did at the Ryder Cup was awesome And then what he did at the Long Drive was awesome. I think his whole brand has got way better to the average goal fan. And I think the whole Brooksy thing. It was funny. When I won in Wichita everyone was shouting Brooksy at me. Are you serious? I'm serious, yeah, and it's fun, right. And when I, you know, on the court, right. So I haven't got an ego and I make a part. On 17 in Wichita There was a big grandstand around the, around the whole on the 17th of the part three And if you make a birdie there's $1 beers for the next five minutes. Everyone was getting hammered that week And you know I'm walking after everyone shouting Brooksy just because I'm wearing this hat And you know it's funny. And I haven't got the ego to kind of get pissed off yet because I'm still young and up and coming in. You know, the more people talk about me, probably the better right now, whether it's good or bad or whether it's like I look like someone else. You know everyone was shouting Brooksy at me in Wichita And I'd hold a part and shout Brooksy back at them at the stadium. You know they don't go crazy. Oh, that's awesome. But I messaged Bryson the other day because I was wondering I was kind of losing efficiency with the, with the ball speed numbers, and I just wonder if he's in use of the 46 and try what he played, how, what headway he uses on the end of his shaft and he goes 190, which was exactly what I was using. So that's good to know. He's obviously done a lot of testing with with his guys at Cobra and stuff And at least at least I know that 190 headway is probably the most optimal. You've got to get on a 46 inch driver and that's going to be the legal limit. So anyone listening to this wants to go to a longer shaft is definitely worth it, but you've got to make sure that the headway probably around about 190 to keep it still.

Matt: 56:11

Yes, good info, right, good info.

Harry Hall: 56:14

But, by the way, I want to go back to this which time moment because this was highlight of the year. If you can ask me what the highlight of the year was, what was the highlight of your year, Mr Hall? The start of which time they asked you you know what your theme song would be if you're walking up 17,. so you're going to play a song and what your favorite hobby is I put the hobby down as going to Chipotle, because I've been doing this challenge all year and I'm on like 75. So you know, i'm going to ask you if it has the Chipotle sponsorship coming. Yeah, hopefully. But then the theme song. I couldn't think of any. You know what I do, so I'll go back next day and I put there's a song from the Peaky Blind with the red right hand and, no joke, They hadn't played it all week when I walked up 17. I'm thinking, why have they asked us all for you know a theme song And someday they have this DJ and I'm leading the tournament by one, walking up 17 in my hat, i've got my shades on and as soon as I leave the T-Box they start playing this Peaky Blind, this theme tune. And I'm walking up in, you know there's probably five to 10,000 people around this whole and it's like the waste management, phoenix Open, corn Freight Tour of Belgium, right, and this theme tune of the Peaky Blind is playing. I'm walking up and it's like where are the red right hand? and I felt on top of the world. You know, i felt like coming down is on set and I was winning the tournament. I thought, oh, if I could, if everyone thought I was a Peaky Blind in the next 10 years, that'd be nice.

Matt: 58:18

Not. Bryson All right, I'll work on that. I love that show man. That's why any time I post it about you, I'm doing Harry fucking Hall, because it's Thomas fucking Shelby.

Harry Hall: 58:31

Yeah, that was a highlight of the year, Oh that's awesome.

Matt: 58:36

So have you seen Squid Game? That's probably the pressing question I'm going to get is have you watched?

Harry Hall: 58:42

No, I haven't. You haven't watched Squid Game? No, I haven't Yeah.

Matt: 58:47

Are you a big TV guy? Yeah.

Harry Hall: 58:51

A little bit. Yeah, a little bit.

Matt: 58:54

Well, hey, man, thanks so much for hopping on. It's been a joy to have you on. I've been looking forward to this. I was thrilled to see you perform so well at Shriners. I want nothing but the best for you this season. Tear it up at Bermuda, and we're looking forward to watching a very long, prosperous career out of you.

Harry Hall: 59:18

I'll be very nice. I'll try my best.

Matt: 59:21

Oh hey, congratulations Also. you just recently got engaged.

Harry Hall: 59:26

Yeah, as of two weeks ago, i am engaged Officially off the market. Officially off the market. Sorry, ladies.

Matt: 59:36

So congratulations on that. Had a great year. I just think you're going to be making the headlines on the PGA Tour in no time.

Harry Hall: 59:47

Yeah, that would be nice. I'll try my best to represent the biggest community as well as I can And hopefully add to the trophy cabinet with the Golden Knights and the Raiders over the next few years. That would be cool.

Matt: 1:00:02

Yeah, it would be fantastic. Can you get up there spin in the horn sort of a game soon?

Harry Hall: 1:00:09

Yeah, I've been to a Raiders game. I went to the Golden Knights game last night just before I saw it here.

Matt: 1:00:16

That was so disappointing.

Harry Hall: 1:00:18

Yeah, they're hurting so bad right now. They can come back So many. Yeah, I'm looking for the first Raiders game that they needed to stay. It might be nice.

Matt: 1:00:30

Yeah well, good luck, man. What's that?

Harry Hall: 1:00:34

Have you been to a Raiders game yet?

Matt: 1:00:35

No, no, i haven't gotten the jab. So I was going to try and go to the UNLV game Thursday night but it had something come up so we couldn't go. But no, i would love to go. I would love to go. I just haven't gotten the vaccination yet. The vaccine yet.

Harry Hall: 1:00:54

Okay, Hey, thanks for having me mate.

Matt: 1:00:56

No problem.

Harry Hall: 1:00:58

I'll be back again one day.

Matt: 1:01:00

Yeah well, next time, after you're done like when the season's over and everything you'll have to come hang out and then we'll go play some golf. Awesome.

Harry Hall: 1:01:08

All right, go light it up.

Matt: 1:01:09

All right, buddy, take it easy, god you.