252: Golf Talk with David "Doc" Rhoden from New Level Golf
Ever wonder what happens behind the scenes in the world of professional golf? This eye-opening episode has all the answers. We've got the golf world covered from every angle - from the latest on Jon Rahm's departure from the PGA tour to Tony Finau's exciting decision to stay. We also dish out our thoughts on the upcoming PNC Championship and what Freddie Couples had to say about LIV.
This revealing installment features esteemed guest, David "Doc" Rhoden from New Level Golf, who lifts the curtain on golf club fitting and building. and what's going on with the brand. We talk about everything from spinning ferrules to potential changes on the PGA tour. But things really heat up when we broach the idea of a tournament where players are all using the same equipment. Sounds interesting, right? Join us as we uncover the truth about professional players' equipment versus what's available to the average consumer.
And just when you thought we were done, we tackle the anticipation surrounding Tiger Woods and his son Charlie's appearance at the PGA. What impact will this father-son duo have on the game, and how will young Charlie handle the pressure of his legendary father's shadow? We wrap things up with a look at the future of golf and the emergence of new talents. If golf is your game, you won't want to miss this exciting episode.
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There we go. All right, welcome everybody to this episode of the Chasing Daylight podcast. Music will be playing on the YouTube. Edit Riverside is not participating with us in a friendly manner, so, yeah, check out the intro music on YouTube. So, hey, we got a great episode tonight. There's a lot of shit going on in the golf world. The golf ball rollback is taken front and stage center, along with John Rom leaving Tony Finao staying tiger and Charlie. Part two is happening this week down in the PNC champion. Is it in Florida?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's in Orlando, orlando.
Speaker 1:So that's going on. Freddie was talking trash again about live, which I thought was hilarious, and we've got a special guest, doc Rodin, dave Rodin, live from the new level, true links where headquarters? Yes sir.
Speaker 4:Welcome to the show sir, thank you? How are you doing? Doing all right Even better?
Speaker 1:Doc's going to hang out with us tonight. Chalo golf. He's a great insider when it comes to the industry, Of course. He's, you know, works at new level and is one of the builders fitters out there. So if anybody that's, you know, on YouTube right now hanging with us, if you have any questions about new level, about club fitting, about club building in general, anything like that, lob them out there and Joe and I will get them over to him and he can answer your questions Absolutely. He loves talking about how good he is at building golf clubs, because he's really good at building Master, mastermind. I get lucky every once in a while. All right, so wrong have you ever had any feral spin.
Speaker 4:You ever got any spinning feral, not in a long time. It's new technology, it has happened right, it has right. It has.
Speaker 1:I'm not the only person that has ever built a set of iron, for the feral came loose.
Speaker 4:No, thank you.
Speaker 2:I just thought it was new technology man.
Speaker 4:We did. We did have a guy one time come in at another place that I worked at that had that new SFT technology the summer feral technology. Oh yeah, the feral was four sizes too big for the golf club. Those were awesome.
Speaker 1:Wow, they didn't participate in the Mitchell turning feral class apparently.
Speaker 4:Evidently.
Speaker 1:Evidently, hey. Did you guys see those ones I posted today for Steve and Jackson's irons?
Speaker 2:I did not yeah the metal ones.
Speaker 1:They're like a lightweight brushed aluminum that are milled.
Speaker 2:Are they?
Speaker 4:Maybe an afterno.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, they're from overseas.
Speaker 3:They look like they're made by swag.
Speaker 1:Well, that's why he got them, because they you know, he's Mr Swag. So yeah, wow, super crazy light. I mean they're probably. I didn't weigh one, but it's got to be maybe a gram. It's so fucking light, but it looks like machine metal. It's, it's, it's really. They came out pretty good, so I'm building that up for them tomorrow Hopefully they don't spin. Well, they've got what looks like threads on the inside of them, so yeah, I'll be applying plenty of proxy on those to make sure they don't.
Speaker 4:They'll stay put.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so all right. John Rom Bailed. Everybody kind of saw it coming. I don't think any of us said no, he's not going. Last week and then so I put out there on our IG page who do you think's going next? And surprisingly enough, a lot of the people said it was going to be Tony Fina. Everybody thinks Patrick Cantley is gone, and and is it him that he's buddies with Fina or was it Xander, xander, xander, that's Xander. Yeah, but Tony, I'm not going. Hashtag announced that. Was that this morning or yesterday?
Speaker 4:I can't.
Speaker 2:Yesterday, yesterday, yesterday, yeah.
Speaker 1:So don't big big tone Sticking around on the PGA tour. That's. That's a positive for the PGA tour. Haven't had a lot of positives in the news of late.
Speaker 5:I wouldn't be surprised still, though, because those Rom and Fina are good buddies and they play silver leaf all the time. And I would not be surprised because John Rom said he wasn't leaving either, and X number of months later, here we are, I think.
Speaker 1:I do, john Rom. John Rom didn't post with the hashtag.
Speaker 5:I'm not leaving, I'm not leaving. Yeah, but he was pretty strong with his opinions in the interviews. But that was a year or two years ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:But you know it's all good and you go.
Speaker 2:there's a lot of you and Maui Totally.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think John Rom knows something that can't be explained. Yeah, maybe, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think that one is.
Speaker 3:I think the changes are going to be the 72 holes. They're going to do something where they're going to get some road golf ranking. I don't think he's just going to write. He's one of those guys that's just going to be like dude, if you're going to pay me this much and you want me to play over there, this is what's got to happen. So I think there will be some changes that just haven't happened yet.
Speaker 1:But it, I don't know the whole, their whole premise of why they're better is because it's 54 holes, because it's three days, because it's a. You know it's different. And if they just, if it's just another golf tour, what, besides the money that's there's?
Speaker 2:well, they got a qualifier now, right, didn't? Didn't you see some of the PGA tour players, or cornfairy players, go to play in the qualifier and then they got reprimanded for going into the qualifier? Did you see that? I don't recall that, yeah, like yeah, it was the other day and they thought it was okay because it was merged or whatever. And they got like rep reprimanded for going to play in the qualifier. Merged, well, I know, but that's what they thought. But the but, the, the, the thing from the tour since the June 6 thing is that we are merging. So it all comes back to that. Yeah, you know, zero clarification, totally. There's nothing since then. So these people are thinking that we're merging, we're like one, we're one entity kind of or that's the problem. They were thinking it's company be whatever they're going to call it, and yeah yeah, call your player rep and go.
Speaker 1:Can I play in this? No, okay.
Speaker 2:Well, I think I think these players probably need to follow. What is that Monday queue? Info at Monday queue. They need to just follow him because he's got the inside information, obviously, yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, I've heard a couple people saying lives not going anywhere, the the money is sustainable for them, they don't care. I just don't know. I don't, I don't get it. Doc, you can answer this, because I've asked. I've said this a couple times on the show. Okay, why do you care about OWG rankings? If you, if live is so much better and it's a better way of life and it's better money and it's better everything, why do you care about the OWG are? And if it's just to get into majors, then that's the choice you made. It's live is so much better. Who cares?
Speaker 4:Yeah, why do you?
Speaker 1:care.
Speaker 4:I would agree with you to a point on that. I think majors are a big part of it for a lot of those guys. I think for years now we've kind of decided what is great and what is not great by the amount of majors that they've won right. The conversation every time we talk about Tiger versus Jack is Jack's got more majors right Every single time. So I think there's a lot of those guys that want to leave their mark on the game. As far as being a great and regular tour events aren't the thing that separates those people from the greats right. So getting into majors, winning majors, I think, is a big part of that. That said, outside of that, I couldn't tell you, I couldn't give you an honest answer. I mean, I don't live as a ranger. The lifestyle is outrageous.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Rom's in the masters. For the rest of his life. He never has to worry about that one.
Speaker 4:He's in the next five years of majors.
Speaker 1:So he's not going anywhere as far as the majors go. So him leaving now to go get a huge paycheck, totally understand. Absolutely. Stop it with the OWGR, just fucking stop. Go play your live golf, be happy there.
Speaker 4:I mean, how many major champions are playing on live now? I mean you've got Keppler, you've got John Brown, you've got. I mean you've got to watch the guys that are able to play. You've got this combination of people that are able to go play in the majors anyway. I think it's the guys that you know the Paparezz is the, you know, guys like that need the points to qualify for those things because they've never won one right. That's, I think, the separation between the top of the line with guys and, you know, the everyday, regular people.
Speaker 1:The Paparezz is not a player that's going to leave a mark on the game.
Speaker 4:I'm not going to disagree with him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he made more money this year on live than he ever did on the PGA tours. I know, I mean I don't have the data, but I'm not going to disagree with him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, made a killing.
Speaker 1:So why the fuck would he care about OWGR? Why, hey? I can go play and finish last and make more money.
Speaker 4:You know I just it's a pretty good game, if you can get it, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so yeah.
Speaker 4:I'm still waiting on Michael man.
Speaker 2:I don't know about you guys.
Speaker 4:I'm down to play anytime. Absolutely, Absolutely. I'll take the plane right.
Speaker 1:I can shoot 18 over really easy, really easy.
Speaker 2:Every day of the week. There's quite a few that do that on live, so you know yeah. I think the biggest thing for me is is like these guys are going over there and saying that they're growing the game, which is just straight up horseshit yeah.
Speaker 1:Did you see that video where the like people are like say it, john, say it John. Say it John, you could grow in the game, yeah. You could argue?
Speaker 5:though you could argue that growing the game is a lot, you could be interpreted in different ways. Yeah, there's people that like the atmosphere there, that maybe don't like the stiff golf style, whatever. Yeah, but what is growing the game, though? Like is it getting a bunch of little kids in the golf, like that's what I feel like it used to be? Yeah, for getting minorities or people that maybe don't have that opportunity. What's growing the game, though? Like it's pretty broad.
Speaker 1:That's a great question. Yeah, do we need to define what growing the game is? Because everybody uses it, you know.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they do. It's really just getting more people to play golf and, if it's what I've always thought, if people that aren't playing.
Speaker 1:get them on the course yeah, if haven't figured out what it is that's so awesome about it, or they don't and and get more people playing golf. Okay, we've done that.
Speaker 2:That's the thing. Anybody that goes over there saying that is fucking bullshit. That's my thing. You're not fucking growing the game. Like that's why. When Harold Harald Varner went over there, like I was all about that because he was like fuck that, it's not the money, it's generational wealth. Like that's what I'm doing it for. Like I'm not here to grow the game, and that that's what pisses me off, because John Rom dropped the. It's growing the game, shit, and that's not fucking true. No absolutely.
Speaker 1:I like that. We're going to have to define I say that all. Put that on an Instagram later. Define what growing the game is and we'll see what people say. I'm interested to see.
Speaker 2:Jed, if you're listening.
Speaker 1:What do you think? Growing the game is yeah. Oh, hey, check this out.
Speaker 5:You can see that. Who is that? The new Rio logo.
Speaker 1:That is the Rio Seco logo.
Speaker 4:On the branded bills.
Speaker 1:Elite hat probably the best golf hat I've ever put on my head.
Speaker 3:Wow, Joe, looks like they took your chippy dice man.
Speaker 5:It's the same thing.
Speaker 2:It's the Chippy.
Speaker 1:Scorpion.
Speaker 2:Fucking thieves man With that thing. Great Copyright.
Speaker 1:Right. So I was out at Rio Friday last week and man, that place, it drives me nuts because it's it's it's so overpriced but it's, it's a resort course. You know, they booked the tourist and shuttle them out there and and they raked those guys over the coals but the course was in fantastic shape and the greens, the greens were A lot faster than so high, like a lot faster than so high, really. Yeah, I was Wow.
Speaker 4:I was shocked.
Speaker 1:I was shocked at how fast they were, but it was. It was fun putting on it, you know fun and Hell the ball pretty well. Of course it's in great shape. They fixed a lot of the bunker issues, were you? You know the bad areas and certain bunkers didn't. Didn't see one. That was bad, interesting Nice. So if, if you're headed out to Rio anytime soon, you're in for a treat. Yeah, we said my name is. Yeah, dan is for a solo round tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Nobody else from the podcast is joining him, unfortunately, but nobody, we're looking forward to a report. Yeah, fully detailed report Give me time to actually think.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Dan, when was the last time you played golf on a?
Speaker 1:golf course In a few weeks.
Speaker 3:I remember to be honest Wow, maybe, no, what did we play? No, maybe coyote. I think we're trade like a month ago. Wow, wow, yeah, I live at work now, so I retire from golf last month hey, dan, you know I'm a little bit of a fan. I'm a little bit of a fan Last month hey, dan, dan works down the Thomas and Mack.
Speaker 1:Unlv, you know definitely want to give our condolences to what took place, to the families that that lost, you know, family members over some fucking moron. It's just just stupid shit and you know our heart goes out to them. Unlv strong, everybody's doing it. We love seeing it. This community comes together amazingly for being, you know, so transient. It's awesome to see How's the, how's the mood down on campus.
Speaker 3:It's a little somber. There's a they've. There hasn't really been a whole lot of interaction or anything going on there, because close it down for the president, some of the students that are there living on campus, it's just. I think it's. I think because and I'm not trying to take anything away from it, but because it was faculty that got that were the victims more than students, it doesn't seem to be like a big student rally for, you know, for their fallen classmates or anything like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's. It's just more of like what the hell happened, you know. I mean like how could this happen? Type of down there. And yeah, like you said, hearts go out to the victims family.
Speaker 1:How it?
Speaker 2:definitely could have been so much worse than it was. Like how about just getting there 78 seconds yeah?
Speaker 1:78 seconds. Took him in it, engaged with that guy. That's awesome.
Speaker 3:It's just, yeah, it's just a weird freak thing and it sucks, it sucks, it happens a lot. It's, it's terrible thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've had some bad shit going on the NHP troopers that got killed by the drunk driver. That's a wild story, yeah it's own and this. So, ah, we shall, we shall persevere.
Speaker 2:You know, it will happen, though We'll keep running.
Speaker 1:Rebels running, run and rebel, all right. So any anybody heard anything new about anybody leaving to go play live. Just rumors Doc you come up to Vegas for the for the event here.
Speaker 4:When is it?
Speaker 1:Super Bowl weekend.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately not.
Speaker 4:You know what else happens Super Bowl weekend.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, just a little party in the desert and yeah, that happens to be in my backyard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and why is there?
Speaker 4:a whole of players playing in that, so I probably have to be here Nice.
Speaker 1:You mean you don't want to see John Rom take on Las Vegas Country Club?
Speaker 4:I, you know I would love to. Having played Las Vegas Country Club, I would love to go see that dude. He's 43 under for four days.
Speaker 2:Right yeah, they're going to eat that shit up.
Speaker 4:Yeah, what's that? What's that long? Or part three on the back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah Great. Oh, I remember I hit four iron into that green a lot and these guys are going to be hitting seven iron.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, get out of here, it's going to be ridiculous. So, hey, something that you you may, because you've played so high too, right yeah?
Speaker 1:Um, they have reduced the fairway. They have reduced the fairway. They have reduced the fairways on that course by like 40%. Really, it is almost impossible to hit a fairway there now. Really it, the our buddy, steve, uh, cattyed for us out there and he said that it's. It's easily added five strokes to the course. Uh, it wouldn't surprise me. It wouldn't surprise me, it is amazing.
Speaker 4:The amount of long grass on that golf course now. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I was wild, I was lucky enough.
Speaker 4:when I was in Vegas I got to play twice and the first round I played it was it's not super targeting, but it was very um, you kind of have to play once to know where you can get away with stuff. And there was being a first time player out there. There was like a lot of people that were like, oh, I'm going to play for a first time player out there. There was a lot of shots and I hit. Well, that we're just gone Right. So you put you narrow those fairways even more and if they decide to let it grow out a little bit and get that rough, that's they did, they did. That is a hard golf course at that point.
Speaker 1:I hope that they let it get thick, for the Southern High was collegiate and just cause we played from the back to ease and I mean, did you sniff a fairway? I mean it was you were, he was and hit great golf shots, that just were in thick Like three fairways yeah.
Speaker 4:It was. It was nuts, and golf course is already hard. You make it even more narrow and it's brutal.
Speaker 1:It was. It was cool to see. I mean, that's another thing they can do. They don't. They don't need to. You know, roll the ball back, make golf courses harder.
Speaker 4:Make, make the rustic man, yeah, make people hit fairways.
Speaker 2:Did you see that video? That it's like a comedian from like Ireland or something and he was talking about the rollback. He was like if you go into the water, you're fine because it's 15 yards shorter. And then he's like if you're a putt, if you're putting the ball, you just put it 15 yards past the hole and it'll roll back right in the hole. I meant to send it to you guys and then I lost it. It was. It was pretty funny. I mean, I'm not going to roll back, yeah.
Speaker 1:That is funny oh man. All right, so but, doc, you want to get in that, you want to get in the rollback and and let let, uh, I mean, do you speak on behalf of new level when you say what you're about to say?
Speaker 4:Or just an independent.
Speaker 1:Okay, good.
Speaker 4:No, I this is doc, not David from new level. Okay, I, I see it from both ways. I think there's a lot of really cool classic style golf courses that the PGA tour doesn't go to anymore, that I would love to see back in play. Um, simply because it's not long enough for those guys anymore, every hole becomes, you know, driver wedge and it's not fun golf to watch. It is because you get to see guys, stuff, stuff. But I don't think it's as much fun because you don't get to see the carnage that happens in those things. Right, I think, opening the door to bring some of those golf courses back, the classic style, parkland style, you know, elevated teams, elevated greens, those golf courses are so much fun to watch those guys play well at. But also, when it happens for the mass majority of players, I think you have analyzed guys that already don't hit it very far. Um, you've penalized those guys in order to try to affect the top. You know, 0.00% of golfers. Right, it seems a little bit like golf is already hard. You just made it harder on everybody except the pros, and I don't love that idea. Um, you know, we see it every day. I mean, from the equipment standpoint, golf clubs have gotten easier to hit over the years. I mean from straight butter knives to, you know, these big perimeter weighted cavity back hybrid style irons, and nobody really makes a true, true blade anymore, you know, the exception of a handful of people or a handful of companies.
Speaker 1:I think you level one of them.
Speaker 4:We have a blade. Yes, to be 100% honest with you, it is Much more forgiving than cavity back irons were 10 years ago. It's insane. It's insane. The amount of movable weight that we're putting in the golf clubs these days is absolutely outrageous. And to your point earlier we were speaking kind of before we started here. Driver used to be the hardest club in the bag to hit. It's the easiest club to hit. Now Analyze, missing the sweet spot. Yeah, don't roll the golf ball back. Use skill right. Hit it better and you'll score better, rather than while we're dialing back the golf ball because we don't want to make it where Callaway or Taylor made, or whoever it is, sells four drivers here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you imagine baseball like having a bat, that it just crushes the ball and they're like you know, let's make the ball softer so it doesn't go as far.
Speaker 2:No, change the bat, yeah. Change the bat Right, yeah, yeah, that's been my whole thing is like the equipment is so forgivable right now, like dial that back, you know, like I don't think the golf ball is where it's at. It's like reward people that can hit the center of the golf club and not the golf ball, because I think you've already.
Speaker 4:You've already done that with the driver right. There's restrictions on how hot that face can be right. So these manufacturers have now created it where it's at that limit all the way across the face. Now and when it is, there's no penalty for miss hitting it right. If you were to make that again less forgiving, make the make the miss more dramatic, throw the rough out around the golf course. It's going to encourage guys to hit driver less. It's going to encourage hitting the smart shot, hitting the fairways rather than being able to. Justin Johnson said at the best one. He was like if I could hit a pitching wedge and everybody else is hitting eight iron, I'm going to hit it closer than you all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Make them hit it close.
Speaker 5:But what are they saying? As far as, like distance, they're going to lose like 10 to 15 yards, right, which is like one club. So it's a club. Yeah, I mean Rory's. He's, instead of hitting his wedge into the green, he's going to be hitting like a easy nine, like he's going to be hitting a nine iron. It's like, does that even make a difference?
Speaker 1:It's going to be a couple feet in dispersion.
Speaker 5:I mean it probably doesn't, kevin Kisner?
Speaker 1:I don't yeah.
Speaker 4:It matters to Rory, it matters to Kevin Kisner's and Zach Johnson's of the world.
Speaker 2:Right, right, yeah, yeah, because they're going to be hitting a they're going to be hitting a three instead of a four or five. Exactly, yeah.
Speaker 5:We should force everyone to use titleist TSR for drivers. That's the most difficult driver I've ever attempted.
Speaker 2:We should just think everyone have to hit the Simmons.
Speaker 1:I have totally lost track now. It happens so much lately. I, I, jeremy, what driver are we on this week?
Speaker 5:I have got this one staying. I've got the TSR three now. I experimented. I went very easy to hit, impossible to hit, and now I'm where I should be.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, jeremy got a guy at Las Vegas golf superstar fired because he turned back and so no. Sir, you have to leave. Go home, go home.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I just don't know, like the ball thing. It's like, well, we'll see. I mean it's hard, you can't really tell it's. It's not in play currently. So Right, just like those top guys, it's like not going to affect them at all.
Speaker 1:Nothing's going to change Did you believe Lucas Gover when he said he lost 40 yards?
Speaker 5:40 yards.
Speaker 3:No, I don't think so. Yeah, that's excessive Bullshit.
Speaker 1:He was a little windy and I hit it well and it went all at 250. And I hit it further than that.
Speaker 4:It wouldn't, honestly, if it spins less or spins more. It wouldn't surprise me, with as big of a hook as he hits.
Speaker 3:He's not. He's not Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think, I think with the technology, the technology that's available right now. It'll take them six months to adjust and, yeah, they'll be doing what they need to do Like.
Speaker 1:It's. I mean they'll, they'll adapt, they'll adapt, they would, they would adapt to a driver change as well. But it's and this is what Doc and I were talking about earlier You've got Callaway and Taylor made and ping and Cobra and title list and all these guys that come out with these drivers and different variants of the drivers and different color schemes and all this stuff. They are hand over fist making money on these and they don't want that to be one product.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:Where they're telling the USGA and the RNA just tell them to make a different formula for one golf ball, that's. That's easier for them to do than for us to not make money and sponsor your commercials and plaster our names all over your events.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, I mean, it's a, it's a business, it's a business yeah.
Speaker 4:It is yeah.
Speaker 5:Well, we'll see. It's gonna be interesting, be like.
Speaker 1:F1. Everybody plays the same thing.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You have the PGA tour driver. Pga tour irons.
Speaker 2:Bunch of off-sets PGA tour chefs no thank you. No right.
Speaker 1:What Now tell?
Speaker 2:me this I think that's what makes golf great. I think that's what makes golf great is the individualism, and the individualism of the clubs and the shafts and the balls that you can play. That's what would you, would you?
Speaker 1:tune in and watch an afternoon of 24 PGA tour pros all playing the same equipment to same ball, obviously fit to their specs as far as heights and everything but everybody playing the same iron, everybody playing the same ball, everybody's playing the same driver.
Speaker 4:I can. I can go to the local Muney golf course around here and watch a putting contest any day of the week.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 4:I don't. I don't need to go to a PGA tour event to see it.
Speaker 1:Right? No, I think it would be fun to watch. I'm not saying that the whole season, just one event where they all go out and have to play the same equipment.
Speaker 4:I think that becomes fun when we're talking about, like the throwback stuff, that person in heads. Yes, you know the old school blades, the yeah. That's when it becomes fun watching a tailor made versus a Callaway driver Board.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what about? What about a tour pro goes into dicks and gets a stock set of irons off the shelf and has to play in for the weekend?
Speaker 4:Did you see that corn for a kid?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, the pink, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Would that be entertaining? Or is like these guys are, so good they would adapt. It would take him a couple, whole couple, 10 minutes on the range, and they'd be fine, they'd take him a range session and they'd figure it out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2:It's. I mean the, the amount of talent is just. I mean they just, they're so dialed in man, they've been doing this shit for years, like, and they just know the feel I mean it's.
Speaker 4:it's wild. Fortunately, I've been in a good position here to be able to watch some of these tour players come in and hit balls and you know, see what their numbers look like, see what everything is right and see the difference between those guys and even me.
Speaker 1:Ridiculous Huh.
Speaker 4:They, if they miss a golf ball, they're launching. Their spin changes a degree and 400 RPM. If I miss one, it you know I want you for the track man and it spins 700, 800, 900, 1000 RPM different. These guys miss so small. That is absolutely already just to watch, yeah. And even switching between clubs we Ryan's kind of a club junkie, right, right more is kind of a club junkie and so he came in and was doing some testing with some chefs and flopping between you know, five, six different chefs in the same head, back to back, swings, back to back, different chefs, same result. Wow, the equipment. I'm not going to say it doesn't matter, but those guys are good enough. They can make that adjustment very, very quickly.
Speaker 5:So I got a question for you because we talked to Eric about this before a couple times and a few other people about the differences in equipment that we can buy versus what the pros are playing, I mean, without giving away the secret recipe for new is.
Speaker 4:is there a difference between? Are we speaking new level or are we speaking other brands?
Speaker 5:I think just in general. But I would be curious to know about new level. I just don't want to dig into that too deep.
Speaker 4:So you guys follow us on Instagram? Yeah, of course. So when the when the USGA announced the rollback of the golf ball, we made a quick video. Rory was very outspoken about the fact that what the average consumer gets is very different than what those guys get, right? I'm not going to name names, but we we have a gym that's attached to our building here Same umbrella company, right and we've got a lot of tour guys that come in and out of there and fortunately we've got a good enough relationship with those guys that we get to see their equipment quite a bit. You know, if they need lost and lies adjusted or you know stuff like that, we're happy to do that for them. There are multiple guys that have come in here with very, very different types of equipment, very, very different golf clubs that say the same thing on them. We had a guy, actually one, last year. He's got a new set of one of the other manufacturers again I won't name names that the production heads have pocket cavities, that Inserts, that have all kinds of stuff. Those were solid one piece for Giants that he brought in with a completely different shake, completely different offset, completely different grinds, completely different everything Not even remotely close to what's all about the right Not even close, but weird, shameless plug here for a second. The stuff that Ches is playing, the stuff that Ryan's playing, the stuff that Stephen Alker is playing on Champions tour is the exact same golf club that you can buy off of our website today. Exactly, exactly. That's cool.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Do you think it matters, like the caliber of player, that you are to get something different like modeled to you, like I mean? I know you don't want to name names of the players, but it's obviously got to be a big name to where that they're. They're going to invest in grinding it for you.
Speaker 4:Yeah, one of the bigger things. Obviously we were talking about John Romer earlier when he switched from Taylor made the Callaway Callaway built in his Taylor made irons with a Callaway logo. Basically there, in the same exact shape, the same exact weight in the same exact places.
Speaker 2:They just night. Yeah, exactly Exactly.
Speaker 4:I mean, we've there's been rumors for years about Tiger playing mirror irons that had Nike logos on it, right, right, which is really actually a room where that's a real thing, but those things happen all the time. The interesting part is, 99% of the world, with the exception of us golf nerds, don't know that there's a difference between what those guys are doing and what we're doing. Right, it's, it's. The bifurcation of the equipment in general is massive. There's already a lot of occasion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people are calling for bifurcation and there already is Exactly, exactly, and there is with the golf ball too, because I mean you get the like left, dot and right, dash and star, exactly. I mean, there's so many golf balls that nobody knows exist, that the two players play until you find a random one the week after the tour was there.
Speaker 2:Yep, yeah, they're already a year ahead of us, basically always. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:So do you think fitting, maybe fitting as a process and in general doesn't go quite as far as it could like if you, if you had, if money wasn't an issue, you could go in and say I want to be fitted and I want the clubs built exactly how I should have them you know what I'm saying like the heads, the faces, the grinds.
Speaker 4:So is there a?
Speaker 5:point where it's too far like it doesn't matter anymore for the average golfer, I think.
Speaker 4:I think that there is a such thing with golf equipment as being over complicated. Yes, in a perfect world.
Speaker 1:I feel attacked in a.
Speaker 4:in a perfect world, we'd have a mill in our, in our shop, and we make every single head exactly what that particular player needs. Yeah, but it's not efficient. Right, it takes a lot of time to do those things. You know, if we place a PO for heads, it's at least 90 days before we get 50 of them. I mean, yeah, the, the and that's the full process from you know, raw tooling to finish, from paintfield ready to assemble golf club. But and obviously a quantity there, but it's doable, it's not not feasible, I would say right. That said, given what we've got, given what you really can do and make available, easily fitting is very important to make that golf club work for you rather than you having to work for it.
Speaker 2:Sense, much sense, much sense, absolutely so, eric. Eric has been on the podcast and he's mentioned a few times that which, which, eric, I know about a million of them that know you greatly greatly, greatly. He is. He has said that shafts can be painted however they want. Oh yeah, have you seen that?
Speaker 4:yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I mean you, you look at it this way. So again, not to name names, but there's a very large golf club company who Dominates the market in driver sales, for instance. They've had the same shaft in those things for 15 years. It's got a different base game. So what they do is they look at the tour, like Vintis is hot on tour right now. They look at the tour, they see what everybody's playing and they make that adjustment right. Hey, vintis is hot right now. We're going to put that in our stuff. It's not the Vintis chef. We all know the difference between Vila Corp or non Vila Corp, right, right it's. It looks the same on TV, but it's not the same chef. Grab the spray paint, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:It's.
Speaker 4:It's a game where they say we need 300 driver shafts or 300000 for that matter, then no no, do you think?
Speaker 1:I've always wondered about this, because what UST Mamiya says is a stiff, what Fuji Karas says is a stiff, what graphite design says is a stiff. They all conspec differently.
Speaker 4:They are. They're all totally different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so does there need to be?
Speaker 5:a a governing body.
Speaker 1:Well, not necessarily governing body, but a like regulations in place to where, if you're going to say this is a stiff, it has to be between these guidelines. Is that something that's needed or does not even matter?
Speaker 2:Or is it even feasible?
Speaker 4:And the feasible part is the hard part, right, every? I mean. You look at some of these companies, graphite design, for instance, being more of an Asian market style shaft right, they're, they're based out of Japan, they've been in the Asian market forever. Or that market is very different. If you ever pick up an actual Japanese golf club, everything is softer, everything is lighter, everything is built for as much as I had to say it this way it's built for that market, right? Generally speaking, they're smaller people, they don't make quite as much speed, so their regular shaft is very much softer than the regular shaft in the States.
Speaker 1:I picked up a lady's. A lady left a pitching wedge in front of us today, yeah, and I went and they were from Japan or Korea or something like that. And I went and picked it up and my buddy's dad is like, oh, did you leave that club there? I'm like, no, I said I'll grab it and I picked it up and I thought it was plastic.
Speaker 4:That's how light it was. It's a wet spaghetti noodle.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, it was. I'm like this is like a June. This isn't even a June. It's lighter than a junior club.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Wow yeah, it was a lady flex RBZ or a Rocket Balls pitching wedge. And oh there are.
Speaker 4:I mean, there are ways to compare those things. We I mean we frequently analyze every single shaft that comes into this place. So, you know, we place a hundred dynamic golds and we frequency every single one of those to make sure that they're consistent across our entire line, right? So there's ways to do it. If a shaft freaks it, you know, 275, and the next shaft freaks it 260. Those are two very different golf shafts. Yeah, well, regardless of what the paint says, if it's 265, it's 265. If it's 270, it's 270. If it's 300, it's 300. Yeah, so there's ways to do it. Some of it involves a little bit of technology that a lot of people don't have access to, but it's, I mean, it's doable.
Speaker 2:What happens to the ones that are like outliers? Does dynamic gold take those back? They will, they will, they will. That's good. At least that's good.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, typically, if we get something like that, we'll throw it into display head that's. You know we're never going to send out. It's just something that's laying around the shop for people to look at, right, I mean, it still looks like a dynamic gold shaft. Yeah, if it's a little out of spec, not going to hurt anything hanging on a wall you know, I mean most people are never going to even notice that at all. Most people think they can notice it better than maybe they actually can.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:How many? How many do you say are off when you're building on average?
Speaker 4:Not very, no, is that?
Speaker 1:across all. No, I'm not trying to single out dynamic gold or two.
Speaker 4:I'm just curious, Like I would say some are better than others, for sure, For sure. Again, though it it not to say that it doesn't matter, but as long as, as long as every club in your set is the same there's consistency there, Right, Right? You and we talk about it all the time you want, you want to make that golf club work for you, right, but as a decent player, even you know somebody that's going to put in some time and make some effort to improve. They're going to get used to that and they're going to figure out how to hit it. So not to say that the build is an important or you know, the specs of everything isn't important, but there is human error in that and you'll learn, yeah.
Speaker 1:What should I?
Speaker 4:say that way.
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Speaker 2:Really nice facility. Really nice facility.
Speaker 1:Really nice facility and they got beers, so Joe's happy.
Speaker 4:Perfect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, All right. So what's what's new at new level?
Speaker 4:Oh man.
Speaker 1:Let's, let's listen. Insider scoop oh man.
Speaker 4:All I can say is pay attention to the social media. Is here over the next month, two months, three months. Bad, we've got some pretty cool stuff in the works there's. There's a couple of teasers out there on the internet that you might be able to find. For instance, one of our players may or may not have had one of his children pick out his putter for the week and there may or may not be a teaser of the current iron that he is playing in that article. If you find the article, you'll see a picture of something pretty cool yeah. So we'll play a little bit of the game here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's, this is your own adventure podcast.
Speaker 4:So if you follow Mr Barat at all, there may or may not have been another picture that was posted of a different iron that may or may not be currently on tour. Okay, oh, do a little bit of digging. You can find some pretty cool stuff. It's going to want to work. I just want the info.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:How was, how's the transition been? I mean so Ryan Moore, about the company, what it was that been like a year ago?
Speaker 4:So actually it wasn't Ryan. Ryan had a little bit to do with it. So, ryan, the story with Ryan years ago he was working with one of the fitters in our area here and saw, actually, our older 623 and decided that he liked the way it looked Like, the way it felt, liked everything about it, and that particular fitter told him that you shouldn't play that. You should play these other things that we get paid to sell. So he ended up going with that, didn't end up putting our stuff in the bag, played with those about a half a season or so, wasn't really ever in love with them. They did okay, didn't love them, and then reached out to us and was like, hey, I had seen the stuff, I had hit the stuff, it was really good. I would love to get a set, put them through their paces to figure out. He ended up loving them so much so that he let his team know. Long story short, that team is the team that ended up purchasing new level golf. They've done it's been really cool the amount of access that we have now to different things, different technologies, different. The worst thing in small businesses to be undercapitalized. Unfortunately, we're not in that position anymore where we can do testing on things that we didn't get to see before. We have this great building. Now We've got a simulator that we can do fittings in. Awesome facility, by the way, Dude, there's so much cool stuff and just getting to see I mentioned earlier we get a lot of the tour guys that come in and work out with Carson in Motion Lab and we get to see those guys, we get to meet those guys, we get to talk to those guys. That's something that we never got to do before. Pick those guys' brains. Those guys are the best ball strikers in the world and if somebody is going to give you feedback to tell you whether your equipment is good or it's bad, it's those guys. So getting to see the player feedback on what they like, what they don't like, being able to design a golf club that's going to be well received to not only good players but even what the bad players aspire to be, is so valuable. There's not a dollar amount that you can put on that insight, right? So long story short man. The transition has been awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just love seeing the NL logo and the true logo just slashed right there behind your left shoulder. Right there, right there. We're big lovers of TrueLinks, we're obviously.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're going to have to swing in there, joe, the only shoe I wear to work to the mall to fucking mobetas or zippies.
Speaker 2:wherever I'm going, I only rock TrueLinks.
Speaker 4:We got all kinds of stuff. We may or may not have an iron that is inspired by a shoe that came out recently. Yeah, the dead golfer. Oh yeah.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, those are beautiful. This is what I'm waiting for.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those of you on YouTube a little treat here.
Speaker 4:It's happened to have them. They are incredible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they look great.
Speaker 4:Those went in the bag a month and a half ago and have not left, so not planning on doing it anytime soon.
Speaker 5:Do you guys offer different finishes, or is it just like if you wanted a raw set, could you do that?
Speaker 4:We don't. There are places where you can go to have the chrome removed. Yeah, we don't do it in-house. We're experimenting with some things, obviously the dead golfer irons being in black. We've got a couple ideas in the works that we may be able to bring some stuff to market that is a little bit different than what we've got out now. We've done raw wedges in the past. I always thought they look good. I prefer raw stuff anyway. I like my golf clubs to look like they can use, so if there's a little bit of rust on it, I love it.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 4:A lot of guys prefer the chrome. It's kind of six and one half dozen the other. We're, like I say, experimenting with some things to see what we can figure some stuff out that we can do in-house that doesn't take a long time to fix or doesn't take a long time to do, that we can charge a little bit extra for if we need it to, or maybe it's a service that we provide in the future. If we've got to finish it this way, it's probably the same amount of work to finish it another way.
Speaker 1:We're we're interested in any any other clubs, new clubs coming.
Speaker 2:Fucking tinker yourself bro.
Speaker 5:You're an addict, Matt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you don't feel that.
Speaker 4:I will answer that question with yes. I can't answer that question with exactly what it is.
Speaker 2:You said go digging. He said go check out Instagram and you find some stuff.
Speaker 1:I said others other than that, and there's anything that he could talk about.
Speaker 4:There is some stuff in the works. I can't tell you exactly what it is yet.
Speaker 1:OK is are you guys going to stick with the, the hybrid? Are you going to continue to do that? Is the driver in the works? Is there a driver coming? You?
Speaker 2:guys. I want to know.
Speaker 4:Drivers drivers in three woods are a totally different animal. So oh, yeah, oh, I'm not going to say it's never going to happen, but it's not going to be any time in the future, in the near future, I should say putters Do we?
Speaker 1:is there a new level cutter coming?
Speaker 4:Not yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, he doesn't need any more putters.
Speaker 4:Just tell him no, we're in a unique space where we've got our teeth on the irons and wedges. You know the driving iron is really good. It's, in my opinion, one of the better golf clubs that we make, even as good as the irons and the wedges are. That thing is incredible.
Speaker 1:Do you know what something you may not know about that in LU, the is if you turn it over and swing it left handed it's the seven iron. It's like a seven iron.
Speaker 4:Can I tell you a secret?
Speaker 1:Oh, of course you can.
Speaker 2:It is a seven iron.
Speaker 4:I haven't tried it.
Speaker 1:Did you try it in a tournament with money on the line.
Speaker 4:You know, I did not try it in a tournament but I had to get that job with that golf club.
Speaker 1:I was. I was stunned at how well it came off the back of that club.
Speaker 2:Well, you should have heard of it. Yeah, he was so excited.
Speaker 4:We use the back of the back of the club. Yes, oh man. So I believe that I believe that with the angle of the drilling edge. I believe it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the guy we were playing with, he was on the other side of the fairway Because he's like did you hit that left handed?
Speaker 4:You know I used to have a putter that felt better off the back flange than it did off the face.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a bad putter yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh goodness, all right. So, joe, you're going to check out. You're going to go check out the shop when you go down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I'm going to do my best to yeah, if he does I will be sad at him. I'm going to do my best.
Speaker 1:he said that's.
Speaker 2:I mean I got 15 minutes for sure. I mean I'm sure it's a playground 50.
Speaker 4:Yo, you can't get all the way around this place in 15 minutes if you want it to.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, we'll do it, we'll do it All right.
Speaker 5:Normal people can do fittings there too, right? Oh yeah, Okay cool, oh yeah, Might have to leave a little trip down there.
Speaker 4:Please do, please do, let me know.
Speaker 1:We need to at least go in and hit some of the irons, Joe, so you can.
Speaker 2:I know I do need to do that. Yeah, he's looking for some new irons, yeah.
Speaker 4:If you know what I need them that worked for one of the best club companies in the world.
Speaker 2:I mean so? Greenlee's been on here before and I think he said it's, what was this? A year ago. Greenlee said there's, you can't really beat new level for the price point for the quality. He said he will play sub 60.
Speaker 1:Is that what it's called?
Speaker 2:I don't think he said that.
Speaker 1:He said sub 70 or new level. Well, Tommy Armour is involved with sub 70.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's true, he's homies. Yeah, yeah. So he said it's very hard to beat new level.
Speaker 4:I will, I will 1000% tell you this if our irons had one of the major manufacturers logos on it and I mean it'd be a $17, $1800 set of golf clubs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, every day of the week.
Speaker 4:Yeah, every day of the week.
Speaker 1:And they're not that much. And no, I mean, and if you're out there right now and you're playing some new level irons, there's a really good chance that that guy right there built them yeah.
Speaker 5:Really really good chance. So you know, I'm going to place an order for one right now. Oh live order Good. I'm going to order it right now. Which?
Speaker 3:one News.
Speaker 5:I love the utility the NLU yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, the chat Um you have Joe pick Joe, pick it up for you.
Speaker 1:Why is down there?
Speaker 5:So I have the graphite design D, I think it's an eight, I don't know. It's a 95, x I think, and it's just not not a great shaft, I don't think so heavy enough, If enough.
Speaker 4:what is it?
Speaker 5:Not stiff enough. It just feels noodley, but I don't know.
Speaker 4:I kind of want to try to launch Lowish. We can do this on the side.
Speaker 5:I've got ideas. You can tell the powers that be that you went on the show and sold golf clubs.
Speaker 1:That's the power of the Chasing Daylight podcast, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I think there's going to be a few orders coming in from the CDP. I'm in.
Speaker 4:All you got to do is let me know. Just let me know I'm going to place that order tonight. I promise you, I love it.
Speaker 5:And then you'll return it next week. I'm going to do that, and then you'll return it next week. No, no, I'm not returning, I'm only returning anything.
Speaker 1:They don't have the 90 day money back guarantee at new level. So, Can you ship that to Las Vegas called Superstore for me please?
Speaker 2:Hey but if you, if you are on the fence on new level, there is a demo program, right, doc? You want to talk about that? Tell them about the demo program.
Speaker 4:So the cool part about it in if I'm being a hundred percent honest with you, there are a couple of things that are not on there currently. We are making room for new inventory, ie those pictures that I may or may not have mentioned are in a couple of articles somewhere. So our 902 lines are starting to dwindle down. So we've got a lot of those things allocated for actual sets rather than the demo stuff. Cb is MBs. Those things are going to be easily available. Gi 22 is easily available Pretty much where we're at. Like I said, we've got some cool stuff in the works coming up here pretty soon. So if the MBs or CBs aren't your thing, give it a little bit, you'll see some cool stuff. I love it Absolutely so basically, I guess I didn't answer your question. Totally, you can buy a demo 7 iron. We'll build it the same way that we build everything. So same specs, same everything. We'll send you that 7 iron. You can take it out, hit it. It's yours. If you like it, great, we can redo the rest of the set for you. If you don't like it, your 7 iron, it's a new desert club. Give it to a buddy, do whatever you want to do with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's awesome. I love that that is cool.
Speaker 4:It's being a DTC. It allows people to get to try the stuff.
Speaker 2:Easy, I will say I'm going to give Doc a little credit right now, because Doc will give you the truth, no matter what it is, he's going to tell you how it is. And I remember when I started playing golf five years ago, I went into club champion when he was a fitter there and I was hey, doc, can you fit me for something? And I was swinging the club, he said no, you can work on your swing first before I put you in anything.
Speaker 4:Look, man, I've been in the same guy for five entire life. The last thing I want to do to people is make them spend the same money for us.
Speaker 2:And that's why we love you, my friend.
Speaker 4:I would much rather put in the time a little bit. Maybe do a lesson or two, figure out that golf swing, and then we can figure something out for you for golf clubs.
Speaker 2:I fully appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. That is going up to the.
Speaker 4:They just are.
Speaker 1:That is going up to the hot chicken going. Hey, can I get your number?
Speaker 2:No, work on your weight a little bit.
Speaker 1:You can work on yourself for a little bit.
Speaker 2:Not yet, not yet Figure out what you want in life. I need to see a couple things first. What's your credit rating? Get a job first.
Speaker 1:Too funny, too funny.
Speaker 4:All right.
Speaker 1:Let's wrap it up with Tiger. I want to talk about this a little bit. His swing looked good. He played well. Charlie is turning into a little golfer.
Speaker 4:A monster.
Speaker 1:He's playing, he's winning. Now, last year I don't even think he was top 200 in the state. I haven't looked lately to see where that's it, but I'm sure they're going to be talking a little bit about that on the coverage. So and this with the current state of golf, this is a shining light for the PGA. They're, you know, their flagship player out on the golf course with his son, the next coming of the woods genealogy line. Are you excited for this? Are you just like, come on, let it go, cause I know a couple of years ago when this started, I was like, okay, just let him be a kid. But now it's to a point where he's you know, he's playing well, and there's going to be a lot of talk about Charlie woods this weekend, not necessarily Tiger Woods and are you okay with that?
Speaker 4:Are you asking me or are you asking everybody?
Speaker 1:Everybody, everybody.
Speaker 4:Don't get me wrong, I love the entire Tiger Woods and Charlie story. Tiger. I know who Jack is. I know who Arnie is. I know those guys. I know what they've done in the world. Tiger was the guy for most of my golf interest career whatever you want to call it right. Tiger was the most influential player for me growing up. He was the most influential player still in my era, Right, I love seeing Tiger on the golf course. I think it's great for the game just because he is who he is. I don't really care that much about the Tiger and Charlie story. I think it's awesome to see Tiger out there being a dad. That's the part that gets me every time, Just the support that he's got for Charlie. It's a different Tiger when Charlie is on the golf course than it is seeing Tiger playing a PGA, and it's cool to see the other side of it. Right, it's cool to see the dad Tiger, not the you know old blooded killer that he used to be.
Speaker 2:I love it. Yeah, he's become more human, exactly.
Speaker 1:He's showing more of his human side, exactly when that was a closed behind door thing for so long.
Speaker 4:Exactly. It's cool to see him kind of growing as a human right and being the dad that he wanted to be his entire life. Right. It's pretty cool to watch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I will say I mean. Ok.
Speaker 2:I will say it's, it's interesting and it it almost sucks to be Charlie right now. Right, because he's living in the shadow of his dad Is I think he's OK. He's doing OK right, but it's like Could he be set up for failure, because he'll never be as good as that? Probably nobody ever will.
Speaker 4:Oh, I don't know if I would say that yet.
Speaker 2:Well, we don't know. Right, we don't know that.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying it's just in. Doc thinks Charlie's better than Tiger.
Speaker 4:I don't know if I would say better, I think I think just saying it's hard to live up to. Sure, absolutely. I wouldn't disagree with that. I think, if anybody can do it, I think it's Charlie. I think he's got. He's got everything behind him To be as successful as he possibly can be Right.
Speaker 1:Imagine he's got backyard.
Speaker 4:He's got a. He's even got a father that's been there and done it right. So there's advice that comes from Tiger that other players don't get or ever going to get.
Speaker 2:Totally.
Speaker 4:And it's up to him.
Speaker 2:It's really up to him, because he has everything in his toolbox. It's up to him, it is.
Speaker 4:It is so it is, and he's how many seems like he's got the love for the game, so yeah, it's going to be so fun to watch. So much fun. So much fun.
Speaker 1:OK, any of you guys watch the. Was the Graham, the Thornton or what was it called.
Speaker 5:Grant Thornton.
Speaker 4:Grant Thornton, I was I was too busy Watch the Champions Tour the World that the four world.
Speaker 1:That's a great name for it.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 1:This the senior writer cup. Yes, well, what did you do? So do you like this idea? Did I thought it was great.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I thought I enjoyed seeing them out there.
Speaker 1:It was fun watching them. Teams yeah, it's funny how the teams, when these happen, they go right to country Canada playing with Canada, you're playing with Europe, you know it's those country lines are deep, what shows you why the writer could mean so much. I would like to see more of these. You know really. I think the ladies don't get enough credit for how good they are.
Speaker 2:Great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2:Agreed, I agree.
Speaker 1:Do you have any females, women's players in new level gear right now?
Speaker 4:Currently no, there are Conversations happening.
Speaker 2:It's coming.
Speaker 1:Conversations happening, but you're just conversations happening. That's what he's kind of doing Good stuff. I know, but I can still give him shit for it.
Speaker 4:Absolutely, absolutely Stay tuned.
Speaker 2:All right, Matt's a fiend bro.
Speaker 1:I'm not a fiend, I just I. You are a fiend, is it? He's not a fiend, he's a journalist. I just like poking. I like poking the bear. I'm waiting for the OK, I'll tell you Jesus, but that's not going to happen. No, sir, anybody got anything else. Dan, you got nothing. Now, all right, jeremy, jeremy, still, he's probably got 16 clubs in his cart right now I have a couple.
Speaker 5:One of them might be a demo. Seven iron the wet is our great, the irons are great, the utility is great.
Speaker 4:The hybrid is really solid. You can't go wrong with any of it.
Speaker 1:Hey, I put a couple of those red hazardous shafts in my UEI and or the NLU and the my hybrid because after what I hit there I was like whoa, ok it this new that RDX line has been awesome for us.
Speaker 4:We are selling a ton of them. They are out there quite a bit. It fits everybody that makes so many different weights and so many different flexes and that stuff that I can put it in anybody's hands between black and red. I can put it in anybody's hands and find something that works Easy, love it, I mean. All good, all right. So I have a little business out of town next week so I'm going to be doing a little bit of a demo.
Speaker 1:I have a little business out of town next week, so I'm going to be giving the keys to the Cadillac to Mr Keys over there Home.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dad's not home again, all right, so.
Speaker 1:The episode next week may be a little delayed. Until I get back.
Speaker 2:Well, next next week's guest he actually got his car stolen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, his MacBook was gone. He found his golf clubs down the street Dumpster in a dumpster, so hopefully you can still join, so I'll have to hit him up, but yeah, he got the clubs back, so number one priority.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so yeah, he had some towels that he was selling and they took those two.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they did. Yeah, for those that don't know, we're talking about blind squirrel golf, so hopefully, I said the message I got.
Speaker 1:I said damn it. Pieces of shit everywhere.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they suck. They're the fucking worst.
Speaker 1:No, I just leave, not your leave alone, yeah right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And just fucking idiots.
Speaker 2:They're just dummies, because that golf club, you know the sad, worth more than the more than the right stick that you're not going to be able to use because it's tracked and totally yeah, idiots.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's so funny.
Speaker 5:I mean it's not funny, but it's. They probably saw that they were blades, so they just can't put them in the up.
Speaker 1:No, you know what they saw?
Speaker 2:They're they're not new levels. We don't want them.
Speaker 4:Oh exactly, this game gets weird.
Speaker 1:All right, give it. Give them the website, doc, what's the website?
Speaker 4:where they go. W W, w dot, new level golf dot com. It's all there.
Speaker 1:They ship from Scottsdale. From the room that he's in right there, they do Check out the demo program. It's awesome. I was telling Doc before we hopped on oh that's something I want to do. I would that. So why? Golf has a training aid called the pressure plate.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh, oh, holy crap. I won't get into it a lot of it, but, wow, it has done wonders for a swing flaw of mine that I have had a problem with for years and it has helped me. Just wildly, wildly impressive. So if if you're having some issues with getting to your left side, posting up and rotating, go check out the pressure plate. Shout out to Marcus. He's the one that recommended it to me. It's unbelievable. It's helped me out so much. I had my clubs all cleaned up and I didn't want to hit in the backyard with them, so I just grabbed the new level club, because I tell Doc how I put the strict zones back in the bag. It was. I had Can't keep stuff from him and so I grabbed the new level and I was hitting it. I'm like man, this feels really good. I can't believe how good this feels. So I built the six iron up with the same irons that I have in the strict zones and I took that with me to Wild Horse today and, yeah, the new levels are probably going back in the bag. It just is.
Speaker 5:It is.
Speaker 1:It is so good, good Lord, it is so good it's. It's. It's not as forgiving as this right now, but when you pure it, oh my God, it's so good Chills down, oh yeah. It was let me know, when you want to come through, Matt?
Speaker 4:we'll we'll figure out what you have. You need.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's that.
Speaker 2:You probably won't commit to it, but yeah, Well well, if I do, it'll be.
Speaker 1:I'll give you more than 15 minutes. He already has the shafts yeah the possible shafts.
Speaker 5:He already has them.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, you should. You should see the collection I have have now compared to when you were here last. It's oh boy.
Speaker 3:Quarter. Oh yeah, they make documentaries about people like Matt. Yeah we're on.
Speaker 1:TLC's six pm on Wednesdays.
Speaker 2:He's going to be. He's going to be on Netflix with his own show. This was a pro pool. Oh, this one Pro pool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, oh too funny. Hey, everybody too. Also check out the Olson. He actually has a release coming next week he does.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he does. Is the next week, or is this?
Speaker 4:week. I think it's Friday.
Speaker 1:Thursday or Friday. Yeah, so he's got some clubs coming out.
Speaker 2:You hear about your buddy. I love how everyone was asking what's the price? Which story?
Speaker 4:That he's a dollar a putter that he's in both of the best male and female players in the world. You're right.
Speaker 5:Yeah, crazy. Yeah, I think Taylor Mids going to buy Olson.
Speaker 4:You know it wouldn't surprise me yeah.
Speaker 1:And they may already have. Yeah, hopefully they don't destroy what, like what they Callaway did, was too long, true, oh? don't let the brilliant minds and the brilliant craftsmen do their shit Right, just like this, and then put it in those players' bags. You know, titleists did not slap a freaking horrible logo on a Scotty camera and they're like, hey, we'll just put a little titleist down here in the corner. Yeah, and some of them, some of them, but like Voguey, they let Voguey do his thing, they let you know, they let them do their things and they keep it under their umbrella. So if they let, if that happens, and they let Logan do his stuff, kudos to him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the, the, the one of ten putter that I have of his sold on eBay for forty two hundred dollars after this. So there's one right now for the copper insert.
Speaker 4:OK, yeah, so you're going to sell yours, you're.
Speaker 2:you're a big investment guy. You're a big investment guy.
Speaker 1:I posted that picture of my collection and I'm like no, these are not for sale. And then that auction ended and I went well, maybe one might be for sale. Because maybe that's a lot of golf trips right there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know I'll say this though I am super excited for Logan's. That's a huge opportunity for him.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, big time, huge opportunity for him Life to put a putter in the right hands. Triple your money in a week. Yeah, yeah, put it in his hand, and then he did wins.
Speaker 4:And he won.
Speaker 2:Exactly, he's crazy.
Speaker 1:So it's, let's let's hope Scotty continues to put well with it and now he was shit for a long time, very long time. Oh yeah, anything else coming up this weekend? I can't think of anything big. You know we're doing this Tuesdays, hoping for. You know, as the PGA tour gets here, we'll have a little bit better insight for some information that's been released. So a little bit more current on the episodes. Not a full two days between when we record this to when it goes out, just several hours.
Speaker 4:It might allow to call Joe out for this Southern dudes match tomorrow or Saturday, you can do whatever you want.
Speaker 2:This is an open range. My friend, their balls already on the mat.
Speaker 1:Deal, I mean oh, hey, doc, you need to get. You need to get on the Loup golf club band. Why are you go Loup golf? Yeah, download the app. I'll text it to you or just look it up. Loup golf, it's a wagering app where you can set up a matches they use your gin. And you can do over under. You can do skins, you can do CTPs, you can do everything, but it takes the money and holds it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so when you are playing, when me and you are playing, matt can bet on either of us from home or on scores or whatever.
Speaker 1:I can bet who's going to win the match. I can bet over you over under on Joe.
Speaker 4:Look, I'm already really bad at sports betting. I do not need it.
Speaker 2:Well, we're from Vegas, I can help you. I won't take it today from a stranger.
Speaker 1:So did you yeah.
Speaker 4:There you go.
Speaker 1:So it's, it's kind of cool, it's kind of cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a cool app, so we're trying to get many people on it because they're it's. It makes it more fun the more people you know on it there's this is.
Speaker 1:This is what's cool about it is when you're playing For that, when you have like. When Joe and I were playing so high, we had a match going on. We also had people betting on us. Each of us they Joe had some couple, I had a couple plus our match, and you know it comes down to it and Joe on the last holes, like I got a, I got a birdie, this to win my bets, and so it kept them engaged.
Speaker 4:Yeah, a little extra pressure there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2:It's really good, I love it.
Speaker 4:I'm in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we're hoping to have those guys on here shortly so. Joe said that all kinds of interviews behind my back, and that's what I do.
Speaker 2:I'm here for I just, I just drink a bunch of IPA's and I hit people up and I'm like, hey, you want to jump with the podcast? And they're like it sounds good to me.
Speaker 1:All right everybody. Thank you so much for tuning this week. Everybody on the chats in on YouTube, Nick and Jed. Thank you guys, so much for chatting with us. This will be out Wednesday afternoon. I got to go take my K Christmas shop in tomorrow, so in finals and school. So I'm a little bit and I got built some clubs for Stephen. So yeah but it will be out and you guys can check it out. It'll be on YouTube later on the week and you guys have fun. Next week I'll probably be, you know, tuning in through the back channels just to make sure that everybody stays in line. All right, Joseph, bring us home.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks for everybody tuning in. Shout out new level. Shout out true, we're big believers in that brand. Shout out Rodin jumping on. It's been a while. It's been like since episode number 10, since he's been on, I think him and Eva were on. Oh, that's true.
Speaker 4:Yes, you're like a year ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 4:Episode 13 and 14 originally, and then was on again with Eva later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there we go. We were on with Liam and that just didn't work out, so yeah that's true.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, I mean he's, he's English anyway.
Speaker 2:Who cares? Well, Rodin, thank you for jumping on. I'm going to see you. Saturday, friday Absolutely, I'm swinging my new level. I'm, I'm, I'm Right.
Speaker 4:Saturday morning, whatever you want to do.
Speaker 2:We'll make it work. I will let you know I haven't been to Arizona in a long time. I'm not a big believer of Arizona, but I'm I'm a new man now, so I'm excited to get down there.
Speaker 3:Hey, what did you say?
Speaker 2:Every time I've gone to Arizona I've gotten in trouble. We're got a ticket or something, it's just a show.
Speaker 4:You and I will absolutely get this all going. I believe we'll be good to go.
Speaker 2:There we go. We're soul golfing this weekend. We're so good, yeah, we're hitting soul, soulther and Dunes this Saturday. Shout out, brett, oh, you're joining us. Rant Randon Golf Club.
Speaker 1:Those Chelsea cows are Maricopa.
Speaker 2:Hey, yeah, yeah, man, I'm excited to see it. It's been a long time, thanks, for having me on. I can't wait to see everybody Tell your homies, tell your friends, we're here for you every single week, now on Tuesdays, live on YouTube and we'll catch you next week, because I got the keys later. Thanks,
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