241: Talking all things Shriners Open with Tournament Director Patrick Lindsey

Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of the chasing daylight podcast. We got another interview segment for you today, featuring Patrick Lindsey from the Shriners Children's Hospital, open the golf tournament to the PGA tour golf tournament that takes place here in Vegas in a couple of weeks. How are you doing today, sir? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm? I'm thrilled, I'm happy, I'm excited, mainly for you guys, because you're here. This is a tournament that's taking place in the fall event, fall series, fedex fall, whatever you want to call it. It's happy that you guys are sticking around.

Yes, yeah, we're. We're happy to be here too. You know, this is now the 16th year of Shriners Children's being the title sponsor of the event, and it's also the 40th year of a consecutive PGA tour golf here in the Valley, so we're happy to be here and make all of that happen.

So how, how nervous or anxious was it going into the unknown with what was going to happen with this fall series?

Well, we always knew that there was going to be a fall series or that you know we would be a part of some type of schedule. That was that was going to happen. I mean, we Shriners, Children's and this event are contracted with the tour through 2026. And hopefully, once that comes and goes, you know much, much, much further. You know we want to be here for a while and hopefully this PGA tour fall is successful and and and we continue to see growth with the event, we still continue to see some great, some great ratings that come out of the broadcast and if all of that continues to go well, you know, hopefully we'll be here for a while. So I was never really nervous about about the event being in jeopardy, but you know there's just a lot of, there's a lot of unrest and probably still is some unrest regarding, you know, just professional golf as as a whole, as we've now lived through two years of of live golf or PGA tour golf and this new partnership that is still being formed, I believe, between the PIF and the PGA tour and you know, ultimately had that, you know, change or effect affect us moving forward. I'm kind of optimistic, you know, cautiously optimistic about it. You know. Hopefully this, this agreement, this partnership, will have some type of a way for live players to come back to the PGA tour, which is great for us because it means we get some past champions back and we have the ability to to bring some additional excitement to the event by bringing Bryson DeChambeau back, to have a gnaw back into our field, being able to see Brooks Kepka playing event again. You know, those are things that we would be excited about and we'll see ultimately if the if that happens or not. I think there's still probably a year away for us to understand if that's happening. But you know it leaves us with a little bit of optimism.

Is the PGA tour in constant like contact with you guys, letting you know what's going on with that, or are you as much in the dark as as I am?

It's probably somewhere in between, probably, as it probably should be right. Yeah, I think I think they, you know, they're working behind the scenes on making sure that the product is set up to be as strong as possible, moving forward. And you know, once there's some concrete details, we're usually shared those details prior to it becoming more kind of, you know, public, public knowledge doesn't always happen that way, as kind of what happened on June, june 6, kind of everybody found out about this agreement, this framework agreement, all at the same time. But you know, I I'm optimistic that moving, moving forward, that you know, those communication channels get cleaned up a little bit and we kind of know about it and can prepare things a little bit sooner before everyone else knows.

Has there ever been a desire from your standpoint on the tournament to get it moved to what is now the regular season?

There's. I mean there's been different conversations internally and out in the community about, you know, does that set us up for a better field? Better date, better TV broadcast? I mean there's, there's. There's a lot of things that have to go into it that make that need to make that happen. You know, there there is a significant, a significant value to going to a different date in the spring, but there's also a significant financial package that exists with that as well, In order to move the event from the fall to a spring. But you know, there's also you know there's other things that kind of need to happen. One there needs to be a date that's open. You know there's currently not a date open in the spring or the or the summer for there to be a PGA tour event here in Las Vegas at a different date. There's also changes that would have to take place in the agronomy of golf course. Tpc Sermonlin does not oversee their golf course, so it would be really hard to have an event here in the spring while that grass is dormant, so it would be really hard to have that event. Plus, I would argue that the weather is not the best here in Las Vegas to have a PGA tour event. It would be tough dealing with some different temperature ranges, grasses in dormancy, the wind is high, so it would be hard to have that event. And obviously you're not going to have an event here in the summer. It is just too hot, Right, we don't want to deal with those 110 degree temperatures.

Oh, I want to see those guys playing in it, but I know we probably wouldn't have a whole lot of spectators out there.

But you know, because of all those things, you know, really this golf course and the weather here in Las Vegas really sets us up to be best suited to have an event that first or second week, because the golf course is really its most healthy state, going through a really nice growing season in the summer, and then the weather starts to cool down a little bit. So we should have, you know, 75 to 85 degree temperatures for spectators to have a great experience as well. So I've kind of said it from the beginning, like you, put all those things together, the best time for Las Vegas to host a PGA tour event is the first or second week of October, and that's and that's where we are.

Yeah, I mean the weather. You can't beat Vegas in October. I'm sorry you can't.

Vegas fall is beautiful and the winds aren't. The winds aren't bad really. You know kind of that first part of the fall either, so it really sets us up to have have a nice, nice event.

So when the CJ cup was out at Shadow Creek and then at Summit, are you seeing a big difference in the in the? The guys that have signed up to play in Shriners or agreed to play in Shriners that were in those events and now that it's not here, with the fall FedEx fall, is it changing the field pretty dramatically?

I would say, even before CJ Cup was here, the CJ Cup being in market the week after us in those two kind of COVID years definitely helped keep our field strong. I would say, though, that our strongest field was in 2019, when we had Brooks Kepke, adam Scott, phil Mickelson we're kind of really our three headliners that year. So, really, 2019, kind of before all the live stuff happened, before COVID that was really our strongest field, and then, in 2020 and 2021, our field remained really strong. Then, last year, really good base really good base of guys had a couple of kind of star players and, like Patrick Kaintley, ricky Valar, for instance, who both played the event, obviously have a great champion in Tom Kim, who was coming off an incredible president's cup. So he's becoming kind of this international kind of superstar golfer, and he's followed it up with a really nice, really nice year this year, and we're excited to have Tom Kim back to play. I think the biggest unknown is just how does the new structure of points, how some guys are playing for FedEx Cup points, some guys are not playing for FedEx Cup points in the fall based on whether or not they're in the top 50 from the previous season's FedEx Cup or not. We just don't really know yet who will play and who won't play. There are going to be guys who just love our event, whether it's because of Las Vegas, the weather, the golf course, the cause, enshriner's children. We think that there are a lot of guys, regardless of where they end up in the field, whether they're finished last year's FedEx Cup in the top 10, or if they're in 51 and beyond. I think there's definitely some guys who are going to continue to play the event and we always think about playing the event. Based on those factors, really feel that guy 51 all the way down should absolutely be playing in the fall and there's good reason for them to play in the fall. If you finish in the top 10 in the PGA Tour fall number 51 through 60, you're getting into some signature events next year that you wouldn't already be in. So there's reason for those guys who are 51 down to continue playing so that they can be in the signature events for next year. But I think guys are still trying to really understand what this fall schedule is and what they want their schedule to be. So it might be we might know more after this year. It might take a couple of years for guys to really understand. We know that guys, no matter where they're ranked, still need to play golf. They need to maintain that competitive advantage that they have on the golf course, that competitive feel out there, and then our events and other fall events provide that opportunity. There's also a lot of money to still play for. I mean our first this year is $8.4 million. First place gets. This is a $1.4, $1.5 million. First place. You still get a two year exemption to play on the PGA tour. You still get an exemption to play in the Masters. So there's a lot of reasons for guys, whether you're ranked in the top 10 or in the bottom third, to continue to play in the fall.

Absolutely, and it was kind of surprising. I don't know if you heard what's his name. He said the fall series was BS and Jimmy Walker, jimmy.

Walker, thank you.

Yeah, and I really don't understand his beef with it. I think it's outstanding.

Yeah, well, I think for him. I forget where he finished numerically wise in the FedEx Cup this year. I think he was in he was just within the top 125 going into the playoffs and typically, as the playoffs changed from 125 to 70 and previously that would have allowed him to maintain his tour card for next year and now he has to play the fall as a veteran player in order to keep his card. Now he has to play well for the next few months to keep his card going into the next year. That seemed to be his beef with it and you know it's change is. Ultimately. What this kind of comes down to is that it's change and it's gonna take a little bit to adjust to it. Guys are going to, some guys are gonna really like it and some guys aren't gonna like it. You know, if Jimmy, who is playing in our event we're looking forward to having Jimmy here Also as an MGM ambassador, who is a great partner of ours as well If they come out and he comes out and plays really, really well or wins our event or wins a fall event, he's set up for the next two years and he's playing in the Masters.

His opinion might change.

Yeah, you're correct and you're right, his opinion might change. That might be a great thing.

Yeah, I think it's just it's giving the guys opportunity that maybe you got into a funk and you fell out of the points and now you've got your game dialed back. You've got some opportunities to go out there. Like you said, when some money get some exemptions, get into a signature event, get into the Masters, I mean it's a great opportunity.

Yeah, and I think you know that guy who's number 126,. You know guy, you know previously, you know guy 126 doesn't have his tour card for next year, right. So now guy who finished 126 can go out and have a really good fall and completely change his professional trajectory and get his tour card next year possibly win. You know all of that that we've already said. But you know it gives those guys below 125 to kind of rewrite their story a little bit for the year.

Yeah, you're looking at the PGA tour, potentially not the corn fairy schedule, Right? So how is your marketing change for this Cause? I know in years past you target the big names, cause everybody wants to see the big names. Of course, with how this is weighing out, when does the field finalize?

The Friday before.

The Friday before okay.

It's a Friday, october. This is six.

The six fine. So how are you guys going about marketing this event being a new fall event?

You know our communication hasn't changed too much. We're still staying very close to players, very close to agents, you know, especially the agents who have a pretty big, pretty wide range of BJA tour player representation, trying to get their thoughts on where things are going, where they're headed, understanding, kind of like this window, like this next two week window, is really important Because a lot of guys, you know they've just they grinded through a really busy kind of final summer schedule. Now they've had a few weeks off, depending on how far deep they went into the PGA Tour playoffs, whether or not they're playing, you know, on the Ryder Cup. You know the international guys who are not European, who aren't playing in the Ryder Cup. Obviously they have a little bit more time off. You know that time off, I think, just gets these guys kind of a little anxious that they need to be out there and they need to be playing. So how someone is feeling in July or August when they're on this really kind of hectic run to try to improve their position and kind of set themselves up for the most success possible for the playoffs, they might have a different feeling in about 10 days whether or not they want to play our event or not, as they've just kind of been home and relaxing. They might get that kind of jitter to get out and play. So we're just really staying close to the agents, trying to just, you know, figure out what might help them guide to come play our event or not, if there's anything that we can do to make sure that they're comfortable here, arrange activities for their wife, their family, for themselves, just to kind of help bring that Vegas hospitality into that inner player circle.

Nice. So a lot of new stuff this year. We're gonna. I want to get to the club 360, but before that, this is the. So this is the second year with the new grass right. The second tournament with the new grass. How's the feedback been from people who've been playing it and the thoughts on that?

Yeah for sure. You know, last year I think everyone was really pleasantly surprised. I know that the tour Gronomy Group was trying to be a little conservative with expectations. As you know, the grass was still kind of growing in a little bit, but last year's tournament the feedback that they got was overwhelmingly positive. The guys thought it was a lot better than they thought it was going to be going into it as, just still understanding that it was still growing in a little bit, I think the feedback that we're gonna get this year is gonna be incredible. I mean, it's had two full growing periods now. I was just out there the other day. It looks beautiful. No car paths or no carts on. I should say carts are only on the car paths right now for the duration throughout the tournament, so really everything should be, you know, immaculate condition. The greens are great. They just did a small punch about a month ago and those are fully healed, so it really should be great. I know that they are so adding to the agronomy report that continually gets pushed out to the players, but it has been overwhelmingly positive, which I think also helps us with that player recruiting piece. If there's not a good agronomy report, then you might see some guys kind of hold back as well. But as more agronomy reports come out showing the success of the new grass, then we should see some additional guys coming to field. It's also kind of our hope, but it does. It looks great out there. I mean the tour and TPC Sermolin absolutely did their due diligence through a good 12 to 24 month period of trying to decide what would be the best grass by kind of planting that in different areas, and I think they nailed it. It looks great out there.

Awesome. Any other changes to the course?

No changes to the actual golf course but we got a lot of tournament changes. We sat down at the end of last year, kind of really around like the first quarter of the event or, excuse me, a first quarter of the year last year, and decided that you know, we feel like we have a really good onsite experience but we also kind of felt that there was some improvements that we could make to make it a little bit better. One of those things really just outside my window we got a brand new entrance. So there's a pond right outside our entrance that connects to a village center circle and Hillshire Drive, kind of the corner of TPC Sermolins property, and we're gonna bring everybody in off of the road right there. Our shuttle drop off will be right there. People will step right off the bus right into the new entrance gate, kind of walk around this pond that's next to our office rather than having to walk up to kind of that paved, that pavement driveway of the club that I've never been a huge fan of but really going to be a really more nice aesthetic main entrance. We're gonna be able to beautify it even more of some tournament sign-ins and past champion flags.

So is that like where the media tent was and like right at the range?

That's where the spectators will end up. So they'll kind of walk around our pond and then pop right up to where the media center used to be. And we have now repositioned the media center. So that was one change. But we also wanted to make sure that just the spectator experience once they kind of got out onto the golf course had been improved as well. So we've added bleachers to the first tee and to the 10th tee, which I always felt was a fun, exciting place to watch some golf and to just be there and experience it and to sit down and maybe catch your breath a little bit, have a beverage while you're there Gives also a great place for families with kids to go and just kind of sit and watch a little bit of golf. So we're excited to bring the bleachers back to the first tee and the 10th tee. We've also added a family fairway that Intermountain Health Care is gonna be the sponsor of. But we're gonna have face painting and airbrush trucker hat designs for the kids, a coloring wall. We've got a milkshake truck, we've got the pink box donut truck, we've got barbecue over there as well by Big B's Texas Barbecue and some yard games. So that area and that's just right off 18 fairway, called the family fairway. That should be a really fun place for our families to go and also kids to get in to the event for free. So really anyone 18 years and younger can get into the event for free with a ticket at adult, so really affordable for the family. But we also wanted to and you just mentioned it a new structure probably the biggest thing that we're doing called Club 360, which is exactly kind of where the hill I think a lot of our fans have become a very knowledgeable of what the hill is for our tournament and the hill was a 100 by 100, 10,000 square foot kind of sports bar with elevated food and beverage available for purchase. The hill still exists, but it will be on the first level of a new double decker structure. So the hill will still exist, it'll still have upgraded food and beverage for purchase. Still great views of 16, 17 and 18. Right there it will house our new merchandise, so our merchandise and fan shop will be in that structure and again, it's open to the public. So we're excited to bring merchandise out onto the golf course. But the second level of this structure is what we're really really excited about, and again it's called Club 360. It's a $125 ticket on Thursday and Friday and $175 on Saturday and Sunday. It includes drinks but does not include food food available for purchase though, but it does include your drinks. But this will be on the second level of a double decker structure, right there, on kind of right where the hill sat, and I think you're gonna have the most incredible views we've probably ever been able to showcase before Views of 16, 17, 18,. You can only be able to see number one. You can be able to see number 10. It's being constructed right now so I'll be able to get up there real soon so I can see it. But you're gonna see have views of the strip. I mean it's really gonna be beautiful from up there. And all of that high noon came on board with us who I think is probably the most popular hard seltzer right now in the game yeah, by far. Yeah, and just excited to have their partnership and helping us elevate that structure. But it should be really, really fun. A good time up there.

How many people are gonna be able to fit up there?

Yeah, so at any one time, 440 is the occupancy. Yeah, yeah, so our goal is to sell around 600 tickets a day, knowing that everybody's up there at the same time.

But, yeah, there should be a good time up top the being able to see one, I think is going to be pretty cool from that perspective.

I agree.

Because you got the valley, you got the skyline. I mean just great, great idea. Whoever came up with it, high five to that person.

Well, again, we just knew we needed to make a little bit of a change and like what's the thing? There's also a lot of competition in our market during our week. There's a lot going on. We wanted to come in and make a splash and do something. Really a lot of fun and something that will help define the tournament moving forward too.

So have the engineers given the OK for 360 plus the third level.

You've made. You see more and more tournaments go three levels.

It's crazy yeah yeah, there's.

There's a lot of triple decors. We're not there yet. Maybe, if this thing is ultra successful, we can get there.

How are the, the, the sweets and everything along 17? I noticed last year there was a lot more than previous years. Is that still continuing? Is there more coming, or is it going to be like how it was last year?

Yeah, pretty much how it was last year, which we were happy, really happy with. I mean really kind of encompassing that 17 team, kind of down 17 fairway a little bit. So the build will be exactly the same there. Our goal is still to continue to expand that and to bring that cabana product behind 16 green as well. So hopefully some additional expansion there in future years. But that will look just like it did last year, which got really rave reviews. It really looked great. Our clients who are in there loved it as well. We've got a few more clients in there. Some clients have kind of moved around and have bought into different things on the golf course, but we were able to replace those with some new clients too, which is a great thing, just to continue to provide that experience to new clients. And then hopefully next year we'll get even more, or the clients that are in there might want to expand into more than just one.

Anything else on the course, new as far as fan experience wise.

That's about it. We still have the Patriots Outpost, we're still allowing free admission for military personnel and first responders and we have an area off the 16th green for those individuals to be able to go and get some food and beverages, and that's something that I don't think will ever change. We love providing that service to our first responders and to our military personnel in the Valley, so we're excited about that. The structure that's on 15 green that was new last year, comes back this year as well. That became a really popular area last year as we kind of expanded just the open patio to a much larger tent last year. So that will feature the same thing but still have a lot of our same pouring partners. Corona Premier has been just an incredible partner of ours on the beer side and excited to bring High Noon Liza Craig Dee Betty into the fold as well.

Awesome, we totally see a triple decker. Looking on 15 green.

That would be fine.

That would be a drivable par 4 coming down the stretch and then you could turn around and watch them tee off on 16.

Yeah.

Telling you, telling you yeah.

Next year.

Okay, so have you guys gotten any? We talk about this occasionally on the show, about tournaments at 25, 26 under Scorers, birdie Fest. Everybody wants to see it, everybody loves it. But then there's the traditional list. That are like we want to see these guys work for their great rounds. We want to see a five, six under Sunday, six guys in it. Have you guys debated with that to make the course harder, or are you happy with how it is and 24 under doesn't bother you?

I mean for me as the tournament director, representative from Shriners we actually have practically no say when it comes to the actual inside the ropes competition. That's not to say that the tour wants our event or any event to be 24 under. I don't even know what their magic number is. Their most important thing that they always look for is like is the competition fair? Is the golf course fair? Is it fair for the guy who hits it 330? Is it fair for the guy who hits it 280? Is there a bunker at 330? Is there a bunker at 280? That's kind of the thing they want the golf courses to play fair If it just so happens that the winner is at 800 or if it's at 24 under as long as that is a fair competition. That seems to be the driving mechanism behind it. For us in this golf course, it's all about the wind. If the wind is, that's the other thing to kind of keep in consideration as well. We don't really have to deal with too much rain hardly ever, really, until I've said that I don't think I've ever been out there when it rains. But if it rains it's obviously going to play a little softer. The green's going to be softer. The guys are going to be throwing those darts a little bit more If it's windy. We can't set up the golf course too hard if it's windy, because really, that wind can throw that ball all over and then all of a sudden, the golf course could be unplayable if it's played too long or if the pin positions are in too aggressive locations. That's something that's always kind of played with. The biggest factor, though, in these scores is like I mean, these guys are just good, damn good golfers. I mean, they're just good there's no other way to say it. These guys are so good and we take that for granted sometimes and we forget how good they are and we just think that the golf course is set up too easy and we just forget that. You know, this isn't golf from you know, even 10 years ago, this isn't golf from 30 years ago. You know, these guys are in the gym, they're athletes, they're training like, they're training like athletes and they work on their craft every day and that is what they get paid to do. That is you know, playing golf is their livelihood and they are good golfers and I think we see that even in the majors. I mean, the guys are kind of tearing up the majors as well. So it's not just our event or you know, the other event in the spring or the summer, that is, you know, played at 20 under. It's happening week in and week out. These guys are good. I don't. There's no other way to say it. No, the way to say it you're right, 100%.

Because we, when the corn fairy was at a Paiute, you know, we went out and watched Harry and there was a young kid named Sahitha Gala that was playing with him and you know now he's a PGA tour winner and you know back then we were like man, this kid can rip it. The talent, the talent pool is absolutely ridiculous on the elite level. So who do we got big names so far? Who's committed so far that you can say Really are.

I mean, our biggest one is still our past champion. You know, we've got two. We've got two more weeks. I think we should have a couple of pretty big guys that are going to hold in that we can't say anything about yet. We're really Tom Tom Kim's our, our number one guy at their moment and we're excited to have him.

But you know, we are a list of locals as well.

You know, you just kind of mentioned Harry. Harry's going to play, obviously, taylor Montgomery. We're excited about Taylor and his growth. He had a great first year on the PGA tour as well. But we're going to see some Ryder Cup guys fold into this, some veterans and some some upcoming players as well. I'm excited to give some of our exemptions out to some young studs that are just coming out of college. That should kind of be the next best thing on the PGA tour of the course in the next few years. So we're excited about probably more excited about that than anything else you know, being a being a tournament director now and being kind of in charge of giving out some of these exemptions. You're really playing, paying a lot of attention to guys coming out of college. That PGA tour, university standings guys who are up there on the corn fairy is welcome out of college. Get excited about that, about them, because you're really establishing relationships with those guys so that they continue to come back and play. Once they are there are stars.

They remember you, I remember us. We gave you your first start. Did the Southern Highland collegiate masters winner still get an invite?

Yep, you should lend. So he's. He's right now the only exemption I've given and hopefully we'll be given some more here here soon. We're trying to see where where the field kind of is going to be projected to be at before we get out the other ones. But you should lend. I believe finish number 10 PGA tour university will definitely be in fold in here.

So excited about him Our new, because we added a person to the show, so we've got four guys on the show now. Dan Hodges is our newest co-host. I guess you could say keep your, keep an exemption in your pocket, possibly for him he's a stick. Yeah, I mean, he's one hell of a player that that many tour grinded for some years before real life and work caught up to him.

But yeah, he's, he's Happens at some point yeah, how about the programs?

Let's, let's run over the. I know you've got some great events for the programs every year.

Yep, monday's program benefiting Shriners and the Ryan Palmer Foundation. We love having having that event and Ryan, obviously a PGA tour veteran, but he's such a great guy he has his own kind of personal Shriners story as well, which makes it really easy to incorporate that into into our event. So Ryan Palmer Foundation event will be on Monday guaranteed to be a great time out there. And then our, our championship program really starts on Tuesday night. Our draw party is, but first of all the, the whole championship program is presented by MGM rewards. So again, noah said that their name before, but they've always been such a great partner and glad, glad to have them back again. But the, the draw party, is going to be at the console politics and at the marquee pool, so excited about that. The ambiance out there on a on a Tuesday night should be incredible watching these guys kind of pick through who they're going to play with the next day. And then on Wednesday we'll have the, the actual championship program. We're going to have three Shriners kids out there on some par threes getting to tell their story to the pros and the amateurs as they they go through. We're going to have some NASCAR guys playing the event as well and obviously, if everyone knows or doesn't know, nascar is the same weekend as us, so we're going to bring some NASCAR guys out to the PGA tour event to play in the pro am on on a Wednesday, so that should be a lot of fun. And then we're going to have Derek England past Vegas golden night out there playing as well, and possibly a couple more kind of sports celebrities as well that just haven't committed yet and hopefully we can announce we can announce soon Kind of a new kind of golf disrupter in the marketplace is has partnered with us as well and swag golf.

Awesome.

Yeah, swag has really kind of. They're kind of known mainly for their, for their head covers at the moment. Yep, we really have a vast array of products now, from apparel to putters.

You haven't fallen for long time.

Yeah, I've been following Swag for a long time, so we are incorporating them into the program, especially in our gifting suite, and they're going to do a special experience in the 17th hole with golf and with a golf influencer to be named soon as well. So but we're excited to bring them.

It's not me, everybody, it's not me, it's not me, it's not me. Far from an influencer, far from an influencer.

But it really should be a great event. But then you know we'll have our kickoff videos executive women's luncheon on Tuesday of the event in club 360. We're going to have Super Bowl host committee female executives do a panel discussion for that event. That should be fun to learn a little bit more about what's going on in our city.

And the doesn't the Southern Nevada golf Hall of Fame have an event too?

Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, also will take place in club 360, but they will. Their Hall of Fame inductees will be inducted Saturday night Prior to the tournament in in club 360 volunteer party on Sunday as well. So we just got like a whole host of activities that that start on Saturday and we'll go all the way until we crown our champion on Sunday awesome man, awesome.

I am looking forward to it. I can't wait to get out there and check out all the new stuff and Sneak my way up to the third, the second deck and check it out. I tell you we were nervous because I got a couple friends that are members at TBC Summerlin and they it's like we don't know, man, we don't know. So it's nice to know that it's locked in through 26 at least, and I think after this first year the opinion of the FedEx fall is gonna change for everybody and the guys that benefit from it are gonna be like Super, super promoter of it and the guys that just missed out are gonna be like crap. I should have been participating more so yep. Excited for you guys. It's coming up in a couple weeks. Make sure you get your tickets. Work. Where can people get tickets at?

Yeah, shriners children's opencom. There's three different options on that link Between just our general admission he'll take a club 360, and then the spot presented by USA today sports All in all in come seeing food and beverage product there. So three different options guaranteed to have a good experience. And then also everything goes back to Shriners children's right. It's all for the kids. So come out and be in and support support BGA tour golf, come out and support Las Vegas, but, most importantly, come out and support Shriners children's and get experience of what they do for All families, regardless of their ability to pay.

Right on. Well said, well said Again. Thanks so much for coming on. I know it's crazy time of the year for you, so we really do appreciate it and I'm looking forward to seeing you out there in a couple weeks.

Yeah, of course. Thanks for having me always. Thanks you.