239: Kiawah, Coyote, Knee Pain and WHAT IS WRONG WITH GOLF
Ever wanted to traverse the beautiful golf courses of Kiawah Island Resort? Strap in and ride along with Dan as he recounts his unforgettable trip, sharing his experiences from the Ocean Course to Cougar Point, Oak Point, and beyond. Get a sense of the challenging greens of Coyote Springs as Joe relays his experience in the VGN Major, highlighting a triumphant 24-foot putt for a birdie.
We’re also bringing in Matty G to highlight this weekend’s golf Forecast and shed some light on his victorious outing. From there, we transition to the recently reopened Robert Trent Jones Designed course at the Tamarack Resort in Cascade, Idaho, and the upcoming Shriners Open event with a new unique offering of the Club360 and hear Jimmy Walker’s take on the FedEx Fall Series, this was a shocker.
As much as we love golf, we can’t ignore the challenges it presents. From high equipment cost to potential exploitation by equipment companies, we unpack these issues and explore their implications on the accessibility of the sport. We also discuss the need for better course etiquette, the importance of teaching newcomers the ropes and maintaining golf course expectations. Join us on this fascinating journey through the golfing world, where every swing tells a unique story.
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What is up everybody? Welcome to another episode of the Chasing Daylight podcast. And boy, we always have a lot of shit to talk about. But we got a lot of shit to talk about tonight. Dan was just over on the East Coast playing golf at Kiwa. We got a major at the VGN Weather guy came through with a big W. We got our interview with Patrick Lindsey coming up on Wednesday. We got a little contest, kind of a contest, a little raffle that we're going to be talking about later on. I got my knee checked out today I'm going to give a little shout out to that place because old man is back and reflection Bay I got around it at reflection Bay with Trey, and then we have a date for our very first King of the Green event. So a lot going on. But, dan, let's put oh. And then the headline topic of today's episode is what is wrong with golf, and there's not a question mark on that for a reason, because it's a statement what is wrong with golf. And we're going to all dig into that a little bit later and chat about it. But, dan, welcome back.
Speaker 2:Thanks, thanks. Yeah, it was pretty awesome out there. The weather was good, the humidity was up on a couple of days Got a little sweaty out there, but the golf was great and the company was good too. So can't ask for much more on a golf trip.
Speaker 1:All right, let's give the rundown when all did you play.
Speaker 2:So I was at Kiwa Island Resort so we played the ocean course, the Cougar Point, Oak Point, Osprey Point and Turtle Point pretty much all five of the public courses there and it didn't disappoint the obviously. The ocean course is what it is it's tough, it's beautiful. It's it wasn't super windy, so we got pretty lucky, but if the wind had been blowing like 20 to 30, it would eat your lunch. And but it was. It was very playable. Although the greens were the slowest of the bunch there, they were still in great shape and just just amazing scenery. The clubhouse is sick, the beach it was. It was quite the experience. It was awesome.
Speaker 1:Did. Did you get a feel for Phil's record round there? Like it was some special.
Speaker 2:Yeah, considering because I believe that weekend it was. It was pretty windy that weekend. I don't remember 100 percent, but I think I think I remember the wind being up and yeah, it's, there's some, there's some holes there where, if you don't you know, have any little bit of guidance. We had a cat, we had a caddy that joined our group. One of the guys that joined us got a caddy so he kind of gave the heads up on you know lines off the T box stuff. But if I wouldn't have heard his advice, I yeah I probably would have hit it into the beach or in with the alligators multiple times.
Speaker 3:How was the pro shop? A lot of Peter Malar out there, or what.
Speaker 2:Lots, lots of Peter Malar, lots of Johnny oh and lots of footjoy. I've been a lot of footjoy, yeah, lots of footjoy. And then, of course, matt's favorite is puka hats.
Speaker 1:The hats that don't fit my head by Puka Yep no new era Damn good to know new era hats.
Speaker 2:No new era. So I was disappointing but new era, Don't get me started. But it was. It was a beautiful clubhouse, nice golf shop, people, the people were great.
Speaker 3:You guys eat. Did you guys eat lunch afterwards there? I thought yours are hanging out on the patio.
Speaker 2:We did. We had a few, we had a few cocktails down there and well, quite a few, and and yeah, we went down to the beach. But when we got off the golf course it was like I don't know what was going on. But there was like an influx of beautiful women there and me being single, you know I was just like, oh, this is nice, but no joke, we got off, we got off the golf course and there was probably about I'm not even exaggerating like 30 girls that were just stunning man, what is what's going on?
Speaker 3:It happens every day at 2 pm.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's like the rain in.
Speaker 2:Florida yeah, it was, it was nice.
Speaker 3:How did Tommy and Jared play out there?
Speaker 2:They actually did pretty good. Jared was a little. He got a little frustrated the first day, but he he recovered, made some good shots. And then Tommy he's the same thing he was. He was struggling a little bit with a couple of his swings but he turned it around at the end of the trip, started hitting more solid shots and black and pins, especially the last round. Tommy played really well last night. I miss those guys, man. Yeah, yeah they're. They're busy man. Those guys really haven't been playing a whole lot of golf and that's good, you know life gets in the way sometimes.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Just ask, adam.
Speaker 3:Oh, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1:So what was your? What was your favorite course that you played? Ocean course, for sure, yeah Is it like a big notch above the others, or For me it was just because of the whole experience, the setting.
Speaker 2:I had the most beautiful clubhouse. It was literally on the beach. You can see. You can see the whole back nine is is right on the water so you can see everything. The front nine plays a little inland, but just overall that was. That was awesome. And then, honestly, I liked Cougar Point, the second best, and that's the Gary Player course over there. Oh yeah, that was so much fun. The layout was sick for me personally. I think those were the. It was the best condition course. The teams were super tight fairways with flush, just just an awesome time. But the others were were great they were great.
Speaker 3:Does it? Does it deserve a second trip back, or would you rather go somewhere else?
Speaker 2:I would. I would definitely go back, but I would still go someplace else first, because there's still so much to see. Yeah, so so much golf for me to golf courses for me to see before I go back there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, awesome, great, great trip. I know you guys are planning it for a while. While you were gone, we had our VGN major out at Coyote Springs and Coyote was flexing their muscle a little bit. Greens were quick in placements for a little tricky course was overall in good shape, would you say Joe? Oh, yeah, 100%. Yep, yeah, so the greens are fast. It's that course is. I didn't think they were that fast.
Speaker 3:You didn't think that really? No, well, I put my ass off, like I literally put my ass off on Saturday. I mean I was draining 12s, 15s, 18s, drained one from like 24 feet for a birdie like so I don't know, I didn't think they were that quick and I was just dripping them in the hole all day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean they weren't like 14s but compared to what we have been playing lately, that yeah. I haven't played. That's the fastest greens I've played on, probably since TPC.
Speaker 3:I didn't think they they weren't deathly like fast.
Speaker 1:Well, how many downhill breakers did you play with? Because?
Speaker 3:I mean quite a few, because if you're at Coyote Springs you're probably getting a few downhill breakers or uphill breakers or side winding breakers, or you know there's there's most putts out. There are not straight.
Speaker 1:I mean I was happy I had. I had 32 putts, so I wasn't you know, and that was with the three jack. So yeah, I wasn't upset with my putting. It was other things that went.
Speaker 3:I wish, I really wish, I had taken my stats and my putts and all that, because I swear I probably have 10, 11 putts on the front line. Wow.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, that the pin location on to the par five was like on the left edge it was it was.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there were. There were some pins that were pretty, pretty rough out there for sure. The overall 14 14 was a tough one.
Speaker 1:But see, and I may, I one putted that I I was. I came up short of the green, chipped it all the way. I was in the front right, chipped it all the way over the hill, pat down down the little valley up, and then it curved down to the left and so I had a straight uphill putt.
Speaker 3:Yeah, straight uphill putt. Yeah, that's the key there.
Speaker 1:That exactly is the key there, because I didn't have many others.
Speaker 3:I had a like I had like a left to right four footer and I had been putting my ass off all day and just slipped it. But he's great man, I mean it's, it's so I don't even know if it, if you could consider it underrated. I just feel like it's like not well known because it's such a gem of a course, like if you are willing to take that hour drive, like it's completely worth it and it's probably like bang for buck compared to courses in Vegas. It's worth it, I mean absolutely. You know, like you can't get much better out there. I mean, even like out of towners, don't get charged as much as they would at pay you like it's completely worth it. It's a gem, it's and, like I said, I don't know if I'd consider under the radar, but just like it's not known, you know, I guess that is under the radar, but it's, you know, if you're coming out here it's, it's sick.
Speaker 1:How many bunkers were you in?
Speaker 3:I started off a few in the front and there was. It was pretty heavy, the bunkers were pretty heavy.
Speaker 1:There was a lot of sand. There was a lot of sand, like a lot of sand, yeah. And then then I get to 18 and the front left bunker. I, my approach came up short. I had to chip over it to that flag that was right on the left edge. And so, instead of just taking my medicine, chipping out to the right and trying to, you know, get two butts, I'd like, oh, I can, I got this shot. I got fill in my bag. Yeah, I can do this. And so I chipped it and I mean, if it goes, another two inches, I was sitting pretty, but it hit the rough and bounced back and dropped straight down in that bunker. And, yeah, that area, that bunker, there was no sand in, and it took me three, three swings to get it out because it was so firm and hard packed.
Speaker 3:Well, I don't know if you saw Manolo's golf lessons today, but he was talking about stop complaining about there's no sand in the bunkers. But I did play with Tyler Paul, mr Three, pup Bogey himself, he, he was county. He kept, he, he kept telling me that's two shots out of the bunker. I could have saved that's three, that's four, because he just kept hitting the lip or he couldn't get it out. And I think at the end of the round it was like six or seven, you know, strokes where he just hit the lip and it came back at him or he couldn't get it out and he only finished like six or seven strokes back. Yeah, I told him, you know, just don't go with the bunkers. They're out there, they're not hitting you, don't aim there.
Speaker 1:I got up and down a lot from that I got out. Had not all up and downs, but I got out a lot. I was really happy with my sand game and just that last hole. Just ate my lunch and I'm going to complain about if there's no sand in the bunker, if every other bunker you've been in is packed like flour, and then I get in one looking for consistency out here.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's all for consistent.
Speaker 1:That's all, just give me the same shit across the course, but I get it. It's not easy to do, but the weatherman was was a big winner, yeah, so let's bring in Matty G to talk about him out there and before that news looped were the news this morning so we got a couple of people reach out to it was. It was awesome.
Speaker 2:Yes, I definitely saw him.
Speaker 1:I jinxed it by raising my hands and being excited that the audio file played this morning. So, yeah, good, good test. Yeah, it failed miserably. Oh, here we go, all right.
Speaker 4:What's up everybody. This is the first place winner of the Hearts Division I got a TARC, what a great tournament. I honestly shocked myself with how I played that day. Took about a two month hiatus. Man, I mean I did not golf at all. I went to the range, maybe once or twice and came out. Great. The irons were flush and the driver and putter were working. So that's all you really need to play good and that's how it went that day. So great tournament, love the group I was in and overall VGN just a fantastically to be in. But looking forward to the upcoming weekend, temperatures are going to be much, much cooler 84 on Saturday. We're only up to 87 on Sunday. Might be a little breezy, but conditions are staying dry heading to the weekend. So a great golfing forecast and a great first weekend of fall as it begins on Friday. So looking forward to it and have a great rest of the week.
Speaker 3:You know, you know, sometimes it just takes a little bit of a break.
Speaker 1:It's, that's sometimes that's all it takes.
Speaker 3:Really like like for nutcases and psychos. Like us, like where we have to or else we'll start shaking Sometimes. You just got to take a break.
Speaker 1:My issue would be OK, it's been 18 hours, is that long enough?
Speaker 3:Yeah, ok it's been two days.
Speaker 1:Is that a long enough break, or do I need to take?
Speaker 3:a longer break. I think the the minimum break you need to take is like two weeks.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're talking like time off.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, time off. Like you got a clock out pick a vacation.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm going, I'm going to Boise this weekend. I'll be up there Thursday, friday, saturday, sunday. So that's about as much taking off that I'm going to be able to Muster, but I am going to go up to it's hard, though.
Speaker 3:That's the thing, is the course up there?
Speaker 1:So I may grab a rental set. That's the thing.
Speaker 3:I mean for like us, that are like psychos, like love the game and just love playing. I mean it's so hard to just drop the sticks and take the break, because it's what feeds our soul, kind of like, you know, for us soul golfers.
Speaker 1:Yes, hey, steven Jackson is in the chat right now. What's up, brother? He's taken a matter of break moment. He said one of these he's he's helping us with some potentially new artwork and so those of you on watching on YouTube can get a little glimpse that maybe something coming down the line. That's the first draft, so thanks for doing that. Sir. Appreciate it. Didn't respond to your text because we're doing this, so that's why I wasn't ignoring you. All right. Also, yeah, I talked about this a little bit a couple weeks ago, but Tamarack Resort up in Cascade in Idaho it's it's about an hour, hour and a half north of Meridian and Eagle they are opening back up. They have nine holes open right now and I got to play the course years ago before it shut down. It's an absolutely spectacular Robert Trent Jones design on a lake up in elevation. It's at 7000 feet, I think. Just gorgeous country, beautiful and there's bald eagles everywhere and the recession kind of hurt it really bad and they ended up shutting down, but they got it back up and running. They said nine holes are rolling right now and so we may take a drive up there and go check it out, because definitely one of that's an amazing golf course and definitely worth a trip up there if you're in that area. And then Wednesday Wednesday well, when this comes out, today we're interviewing Patrick Lindsey. He is the director of the Shriners Open event, which is a month away, and he was on last year. We had a great time chatting with him. There's some crazy new thing that they're doing called Club 360, where they put another level on top of the hill that has oh, it's on top of the hill. Yeah, yeah, it's on top of what was on top of the hill.
Speaker 3:It's a second hill is going to be two stories.
Speaker 1:Yes, hmm, yes, and they call it Club 360, because you're going to be able to see people coming in on nine, people coming in on 16. People hitting on 17, people coming in on 18 and people leaving on 10.
Speaker 3:Hmm, and one and one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's that's pretty damn cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's bad for it yeah.
Speaker 1:And then working on getting our media passes, and so you know we'll be out there as much as we can. I know it's tough for you guys during the week and it's tougher for me on the weekend, so, uh, well, I know we'll figure something out, but we're going to get out there and check it out and see everybody all the Vegas guys that playing it and and that what did. What did you think? Did you guys watch any of the Fort net? I know, dan, you were out, so you probably didn't really care.
Speaker 3:I didn't watch a ton. I mean I watched a see Heath coming in because obviously I'm a fan of see Heath, so I didn't want to see him blow it like he did at Greenbrier.
Speaker 1:Hmm. But, he tried to.
Speaker 3:He, I mean he tried to, but uh yeah, dude. See, heath is one of my favorites. Glad to see him win and studies instead of Max Houma for the third year in a row, but um yeah. I didn't watch time but I mean, there it was, it was, it was a good one, you know, and it's, this fall season is kind of it's going to be interesting. I saw that Jimmy Walker said it was bullshit, but you know, did he?
Speaker 1:really, what did he say?
Speaker 3:Yeah, he said the fall. The fall PGA tour is bullshit. But you know he had exemption status and you know who knows. Who knows what he's doing. He's probably fucking smoking some meat somewhere, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Why is it?
Speaker 3:bullshit. I mean, we'll see how it plays out right, because this is going to be the first time that we see it play out in this fashion. But uh, I think, I think it's good, I think it makes it pretty equal for a lot of the pros. It's going to be interesting and you know, jt probably wants to typically been in that field, but he's got Ryder Cup coming up so he wanted to get his new feels in and you know, there might there might have been some players that wouldn't typically be there. Like maybe next year, like we might not see those bigger names. But yeah, I think, I think, I think it's going to work out decently. I who knows? This is this is the trial fall season, so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean come January, when the guys who played well in the fall fall whatever you call it, the fall series are in some events that they weren't in after the playoffs. They're going to be fans of it.
Speaker 3:Right yeah, and I think it gives you an opportunity. It gives you an opportunity If you're out, if you're out of the top players. I mean, play your way into events. Exactly. I don't know why you'd be calling it bullshit. It's play well, get back in. You know, I don't know. It's equal opportunity for everybody.
Speaker 1:Did Jimmy Walker play?
Speaker 3:in it? I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:Oh, you guys might notice we're missing somebody tonight. That guy is a little under the weather, so we wish Jeremy was a big fan of Jimmy Walker. Yeah, and he would know if Jimmy Walker was playing, because he's that guy, he would. But I'm wondering if he didn't get in because JT did. He took his spot.
Speaker 3:That would be. I don't know.
Speaker 1:That would be All right.
Speaker 3:So we'll see how it plays out.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to be able to put the interview out on Friday because I won't be here, but I'm probably going to put it out Monday morning. So Monday or Tuesday, or maybe we even hold it till next Friday, because it'll be closer to the Shriners and a little bit be a little bit more pertinent information. So keep an eye out for that and then let's see what do you want to do next. Let's go, we'll save that for later. So I have had an issue with my knee for a little over a year. This happened right, right before we went to band in, right, joe.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but it was three years ago now Two years Shut up, it was last year. It was grief. Was it last year? Yeah, yeah, it was last year. Yeah, I mean, I'm just Jones in for some banded, so it just feels a long time ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was. It was summer last year. I heard my knee move in some furniture around and it's been bugging me ever since. It's been getting worse and worse and worse and I really hope my lackluster performance on the golf course lately is in direct relationship with the how bad it has been, because that would be that would be exciting for me. I went to my doctor. He referred me to an orthopedic. I went to the orthopedic, which was nice. I got in right away. He touched my knee like, oh, here's here, here's here. Okay, yeah, let's get you an MRI, they'll schedule it, we'll have you back here probably three, four weeks. And I was like, okay, and Marcus is a new member of the VGN and he's been helping me out on some of my swing fundamentals. And he told me about John Patrick, who is somebody who works at it's called Las Vegas Pain Relief Center. It's here in Henderson and he's a motion therapy, doesn't believe in invasive stuff, basically a chiropractor that works on the entire body. And I went in there today and he did some crazy ass. Shaman, shaman. Yeah, joe said it sounded like you were in a teepee. And he found that my meniscus had popped out of where it was supposed to be and he put it back in and I tell you it is some of the most excruciating pain I have felt in my life. The stuff he was doing to me, just the stretches and the pressure, and but we've. He moved it and I felt it pop and he goes. Ooh, did you feel that? And I said, yeah, he goes. Yeah, I just put your meniscus back in place. So he was explaining that your meniscus is like a donut that sits underneath, it's between the bone joints and it had rotated and it's supposed to rotate and mine wasn't, it was stuck and so, as it my body was trying to turn it, it was, yeah, wasn't good. So he did that, did a couple other things, and said stand up and the pain was gone, gone and he said you know, you're going to be sore for a couple days. And the his assistants, are like yeah, don't be surprised if you see bruising or anything like that. It can be a little bit of a pain. It can be. It can get pretty nasty and he was working on you pretty hard. So I, but I am pumped, I am. It was amazing that somebody knows what they're doing looked at it, assessed it, did some stretches, did some things to get it and and fixed it.
Speaker 3:Sometimes I need to some natural fucking movement, or you don't always need surgery or medication, yep. So does he take insurance? No, oh, yeah, no, yeah, one of those guys.
Speaker 1:One of those guys. But you know what I might sleep tonight, like really good, because I'm not going to be tossing in turn and trying to find a comfortable spot for my leg. They sit, and I mean I think it was fucking breaking half.
Speaker 3:Who knows?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I squatted. I did a squat today. I haven't done a squat in a year. You know, it doesn't hurt. When I got get up right now, I mean it's, it's incredible.
Speaker 3:So you know I said take a break from the game. Yeah, don't be, don't be dialing it, don't try and fix your swing. Currently, for the next few days. Well don't tweak anything.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you what I'll do. Your body, rest your body.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if anybody wants to check some out, just if you're in some kind of pain that you can't get figured out, go check them out. Las Vegas Pain Relief Center. John may be interested where they located. It's on Horizon Ridge, right at Eastern it's. It's on Horizon Ridge Just.
Speaker 3:I'm sure I could use some like useful stretching.
Speaker 1:Oh my, I mean. And then he goes hey, let me, let me adjust it real quick. And so he had me go like go like this and turn and I'm sitting down and he pushes down and he bear hugged me and like twisted and it just went and I was like whoa, that's. You've seen those chiropractor guys that?
Speaker 3:like you lay down and they put something around your neck and they just fucking pull and it's like yeah, and that's what I was afraid Scorpion or some shit it's scary Dan, I like those are scary man? Yeah, I was. I was a little nervy to begin with. But even if you trust them, it's like dude, you're about to fucking tear my school out of my head. Oh, the, the, the amount of pain that helps putting me through and he told me he goes.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, but I have to do this. I have to assess you, I have to find out, I have to do this and I'm like I said I can take it. Just I may scream like a little bitch, but I can take it. I mean, there was one point I'm like, oh my God. He was like I'm sorry, but yeah, I'm sorry, but yeah I'm, I'm Thrilled absolutely thrilled.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, I sit, take a break, get it back going, because you're going to have to walk a lot in a year. So, oh, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:And that's why I was doing this, because I want to be ready. I mean, I'm I'm doing really good on the weight loss, I'm, I'm down 28 pounds still still rolling, and now, with this added comfort level, I'm looking forward to that coming down even more. So yeah, I'm pumped for that, would Rob say. I'll show you how to take a golf break from the high ace for a couple of weeks. I don't know if you heard earlier, rob, we were saying how how long do you take a break for? Because me I was telling these guys that you know, after a day I'd be like is that a long enough break?
Speaker 3:Well it's. The thing is like Katie went to Canada and I'm like I had to take a two week break. I'm just fucking Jones and I'm like I have to get out. I have to get out because it's it's a drug man. The game of golf is an absolute drug. You played good too, yeah.
Speaker 1:They do say Dan, how long was your break before you teed it up at at Kila.
Speaker 2:I think it was a couple of weeks also, yeah. Yeah, we had been doing a lot of work at the Mac and, yeah, I didn't play for a good two, maybe even three weeks, and did you play well or like?
Speaker 3:did you play better than you typically would? Did you feel anything different?
Speaker 2:No, not really. I don't think I played any better or any worse, just kind of definitely showed a little bit of rust, that's for sure. But yeah, but no, it didn't really feel any different Two weeks I think is that?
Speaker 1:no, I'm sorry, rob just said at least two weeks, but play one round and then another two week break. So is is that like no golf activities whatsoever for two weeks, or am I allowed to hit balls in the back and putt?
Speaker 3:No, no, nothing.
Speaker 1:Don't touch a club.
Speaker 2:No touching the clubs.
Speaker 3:That's yeah, it's hard. I mean I chip a little bit in my backyard but Like no full swing, I would say no full swings.
Speaker 1:Oh man, when we went to New York and I went to the pier and I was like I just want to go hit some. It's been like five days since I've touched my golf clubs.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know, I know it's fucking. It's addicts Sad news.
Speaker 1:Dan's not going to be able to make the finals here. Here's the list of the players. The highlighted players are in the finals for the VGN. I can't see anything.
Speaker 3:I'm not in the highlights, I'm sure no you're not in the highlights.
Speaker 1:That's hearts and there's spades and diamonds. Can't see anything Very very, very sorry. On your screen, joe, you're sitting in the eight spot right now.
Speaker 3:So, okay, pretty good, but there was a miss I'm going to have to miss Boulder, which, unfortunately, but oh, that's a good one, that's the door right there.
Speaker 1:But then we got national, and that's that's my spot.
Speaker 3:So that's your jam.
Speaker 1:Okay, so next a king of the green King of the green is back. It's been a while since we've held a king of the green event. It's a putting contest that we put on. I think Glenn was the last one who won Out at Revere. Dan won Before that. We're moving it. Joe did Joe.
Speaker 3:Joe won the very first one at legacy. Don't forget it.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to forget it. You're the first picture with the belt. We're moving it to Angel Park and we're going to do it during the week. It's going to be on a Thursday. November 2nd is the date we're looking at. It shouldn't be too cold by then. It should be great weather still in the October.
Speaker 3:So is it going to be on the putting course?
Speaker 1:It's going to be on the putting course.
Speaker 3:Okay, cool, that's cool.
Speaker 1:Yes, so I'm going to open it up to 32 players Haven't quite figured out the entry fee yet. I'm talking with Jed about that right now to see what he's going to be able to help us out with. Much love to that man for helping us out. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3:Dude, that dude's doing a great job up there.
Speaker 1:It's fantastic. He really is, absolutely he really is.
Speaker 3:I wish I lived a little closer, just so I could go up there more often.
Speaker 1:I'm right there with you.
Speaker 3:It's on the other side of town. It's a great spot.
Speaker 1:If I'm going that far, I'm going to go ahead and go all the way up to Boise, because it's halfway. But what we're going to do is it's going to be tournament style bracket, so two players head to head match, play for nine holes and the winner goes on.
Speaker 3:It's a great spot too, because the little patio area overlooks the course too.
Speaker 1:So the winner goes on the loser. We're going to have a food and beverage ticket for everybody. So grab some food, grab some drinks, hang out and watch and it's going to be a great time and I think having it there, because that putting course is, it's not like not forgiving. It's not the Dustin Johnson putt thing that you were talking about last week. You can put it in the water.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I haven't played it since I was a kid, but I remember just like. How do I even get this putt towards the hole?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it will challenge everybody, so that is going to be food and beverage tickets.
Speaker 3:Do we know if our beverage tickets are good at Coyote anytime?
Speaker 1:Did you not I?
Speaker 3:have two left. Well, we found some on the ground. So oh, you did. Yeah, probably not Right.
Speaker 1:I have no idea. You can call Chris and ask him.
Speaker 3:I'm just curious because I was at Smith's today and I was like should I toss these or should I hold on to them?
Speaker 1:Use them at Mitch's.
Speaker 3:And that's the question Are they good at Mitch's? We have to find out. I mean, I'm sure I could weasel my way into them being useful.
Speaker 1:Probably, probably. And then Tray and I played Reflection Bay talking about their new past column greens and I put a post out there on the on Dish. There we go. That about it. I said give it, be patient, be patient with it, because they are new. They did have a little bit more time than typical because they, you know, redid them all and of course it was completely shut down.
Speaker 3:When were they closed? Like six months since April.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so four. Was that five months, five months, and it's that. That grass is very unique. It it's going to take some time. If anybody has played Club of Sunrise, you know what they're like. It's just imagine a lot more undulation because reflection kept all that in.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so was it hard to see like the breaks, like how is it? Club of Sunrise? Would you consider it harder?
Speaker 1:No, I wouldn't consider it harder because the undulation is so good there.
Speaker 3:So you got to really feel it. You got to feel it with your feet kind of situation.
Speaker 1:It's it's. There's no finesse putting. You have to hit the putt. You know it's not. You know, if you see it breaking, you know five inches out to the right maybe only go to because the grass is going to slow it down. And it's it's not. It's not going to take that break as much as you think it's going to. I put it pretty well because I was chipping everything close, really quick or like slower. I would say slower.
Speaker 3:It's kind of like a Poana on a day after night, I know they've cut them a shit ton and probably rolled them a shit ton over the summer. So yeah, it's hard to say it's more like a sprouty grass, so it's like kind of just Well, the blades are.
Speaker 1:The blades are thick and it, just like chipping the ball, checks up like a son of a bitch. I mean you can absolutely fire at the pins with your, with your wedges, because it is going to stop around the green, very receptive. They, they rolled, I mean they were, they were slow, they weren't you know eights or or anything that bad.
Speaker 3:I feel like club at sunrise is usually pretty slow but it's like hard to see the putt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they were slow. There was a I don't know if it was. You know it's going to feed towards Lake Las Vegas, obviously. Right, well, I think I think it club at sunrise because they're a lot flatter. The brakes that are there are harder to see.
Speaker 3:Yeah, revere at reflection.
Speaker 1:You can, you can see the brakes, it's just you're on a mountain. So it's different. How much do you need to adjust for that? Yeah, so, but forces in good shape and glad it's back, I hope. Hope it alleviated. Did they do anything?
Speaker 3:else other than the greens?
Speaker 1:They mean they are the carts.
Speaker 3:They upgraded the clubhouse.
Speaker 1:The clubhouse is the same. Nothing changed there.
Speaker 3:I saw they, they, they were promoting that they like changed, like the interior of the clubhouse.
Speaker 1:I saw More recently he didn't know the white tile, but I remember the white tile up top.
Speaker 3:But, the white and cream are pretty similar, so I mean you might have saw cream. You're older.
Speaker 1:But Pro Shop was the same. The outside was the same. They hired a lot more people. There's a lot more people working there now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what they should have fucking done is put a fucking real range in. There is what they should have done.
Speaker 1:They have no room. They should have you hit balls into the water.
Speaker 3:That would be a little short area next to the cage. I mean, should they should have just netted that up and closed it so you can see some sort of ball flight?
Speaker 1:It's belly high too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it probably worse, because the fucking they're all black. All the balls are black.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we didn't even go there. We just went right to the putting green and and was trying to get a feel for it.
Speaker 3:I could have leveled that, that putting green a little bit too.
Speaker 1:But it's, it was pretty good.
Speaker 3:It's pretty drastic. The putting green is pretty drastic elevation wise, but it's a great fucking course. Man Like I, because I was supposed to play with the guys and I was kind of bummed, you know. I just had to adult and go to work and I'm excited to get out there and and see what they do. I mean, you guys played on the first day. They were open, so obviously it's only going to get better and better, you know so yeah, I guess I didn't come. I think we need to play out there next month in October. I think it's going to be fantastic in October, so let's do it.
Speaker 1:We got to get out there. Hey, shout out Kyle Peters.
Speaker 3:Peter for the invite.
Speaker 1:So that is that. That is that. That is that All right. Last thing, before we get to what's wrong with golf, I'm going to put this up on the screen so everybody can see it. We are the. The SGA is hosting a social event out at Southern Highlands. We pretty bad as a vent that.
Speaker 3:I mean exclusive, as it was as you get, as you get.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the. It's a spectacular golf course. It's one of the premier prime private clubs in Vegas. I mean it's it's so high shadow summit as far as exclusivity and experience and just all around. Wow, we got to play it back last year at a Derek Carr tournament.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for those loyal listeners we we beat Derek Carr in a golf tournament.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we did, yes, we did.
Speaker 3:And that's why he left. He lost tonight. Did he not lose? Tonight Did he lose?
Speaker 1:I don't know, I wasn't watching I saw Chub get his knee bent the wrong way.
Speaker 3:Oh no, they won. They won by three. So all right, so in his beaches, dan.
Speaker 1:This is kind of sad for Dan because he can't play, because he's got the NFR, he's got adulting to do, so we have a spot. So Joe, jeremy and myself are going to play in this and we have a spot. So this is what we're going to do. Upon the screen those of you watching on YouTube is my Venmo. So we're going to sell a raffle ticket for 20 bucks so you can buy as many as you want. I mean, if you want to play in it, it's $265 for the event. This is a. It's not a private event. It's not a S and GA members only. Anybody can register $265. But we want the to try and you know, raise awareness of the show and play with some of the people that listen. So scan the Venmo, send us 20 bucks with your name. It is on the Tuesday, december the 5th, and the only thing that's covered is the golf we're not flying in, we're not paying your room.
Speaker 3:We're not buying your food. So if you ask, if you ask nicely, maybe we'll cover like a, you know, like a cheeseburger or something yeah. And if you get an emergency sandwich, yeah, you will pick up an East Sandow at the provide the East Sandow's.
Speaker 1:But if you, if you fly in, I'll come pick you up at your hotel.
Speaker 3:That's yeah, that's not a big deal and I can drop you off.
Speaker 1:There you go Taking care of, but we're not flying for you and we're not paying for your room, but we will pay for your golf. So if you want a chance to play one of the premier private resorts that's not a resort private clubs in America, in the world for that much, because it's pretty damn special, it's one of them yeah, it's 20 bucks.
Speaker 3:Top 30, maybe Top 30.
Speaker 1:Maybe yeah, I mean it's 40.
Speaker 3:The top 50, I'd say it's pretty freaking special, yeah.
Speaker 1:So yeah, Venmo me 20 bucks and we'll put you in the drawing and we'll do it live on YouTube in a couple of weeks and one of y'all will get to come play with us. So it's for 20 bucks, I mean.
Speaker 3:I mean this is as Vegas as it gets. Man, take gamble. You could play so high for $20. And we're Vegas podcast, we're gamblers. I mean Matt, matt, shit the bed on a parlay this weekend. That was probably more than that. So I mean, might as well just give it a shot, right.
Speaker 1:Just give it a shot. Give it a shot, all right, let's get that off and then we're going to go on to. So, after hearing a lot of conversations, after what took place at Coyote Springs because there was some slow play and I told everybody, I sent an email out to everybody the night before Don't come at me with slow play, because it's Coyote Springs, it's a tough course. Everybody's playing from distances further than what they're used to be playing. The greens are going to be fast. The course is going to be hard. It's going to be a five hour round expected, but still I still had people come at me with it slow play.
Speaker 3:So I started thinking, you know, because I left at like six, 50 in the morning or no, probably not that early seven, 30 in the morning. I got like five.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I left at six 15 and was still there at five. So yeah, yeah, it was a long day and much love to Jeremy and Favs for hanging out and helping me with it. I think it went off rather well. Coyote kind of messed up and didn't realize we had an 11 10 and 11 20 group, even though they had the cart signs a week ahead of time and they threw two groups out in between our 11 10, 11, 20.
Speaker 2:Seriously.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because we're sitting in the bar and these people come in and we're like what hold did you guys start on? We start on one and like how the fuck are you in here?
Speaker 4:and we still have guys on the course.
Speaker 1:That's weird. So yeah, they. I told the starter. I said hey, just tell my guys when they come up. Hey, you're 11 or you're 10, 15 or 10, 20. I'm going to put you out at at, you know, 10, 15. I'm going to move you up a little bit and I go just get, crunch us down at the back to get everybody on time. But that was like I don't know what you mean. Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's everything out.
Speaker 1:This says 11, 10.
Speaker 3:I have to go off this piece of paper.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, I have to go off this piece of paper.
Speaker 3:I can't defect from the paper.
Speaker 1:So this had me start thinking. You know there's we're always talking about what we love about golf. Traded a little video with me while we were at reflection Bay called why? Why golf? And that's going to be fun to watch what people have to say other than what I said on that. But it got me thinking what's wrong with golf? There's so many good things that we love and and the camaraderie and the courses and and travel and and the play and the great shots that keep coming you back, but what's wrong with golf and what can be done about it? So put together a little list here and throw it up on the screen so you guys can see. And this was just some of the things that I think is wrong with golf, so I'll run this down here. So it says people that are listening can understand I have it's too expensive right now, just across the board. It's too goddamn expensive. And this isn't, you know, back in the day. So it was gas, yeah, right yeah we're paying $5 a gallon.
Speaker 2:It went up a dollar since I left it's insane.
Speaker 1:So across the board is too expensive Equipment.
Speaker 3:Beers stayed the same price.
Speaker 1:Just wait, wait, now you've let the bag out. They're like, oh shit, we can jack up beer. All right, equipment companies and their massive releases. There's zero regulations in golf shafts. They're like one company can say this is a stiff and another company can spec it and they say that it's regular flex. It's very confusing to the consumers. I think that's a thing that is very wrong with golf. There's too many new people. We've been talking about this for a while Too many new people in the game. Customer service is going by the wayside. We had out at out of coyote a couple of people. I mean the car girl. One of the car girls was amazing. The other one made you feel like you were inconveniencing her. The guy inside was amazing. One of the guys outside, one of the marshals. We were on the 17th, the part three, and he drove by four times while we were on the whole and it's like there are gas carts out there and you're trying to hit a shot and you're dude. So the customer service is going, going away and it's driving me nuts. The rules of golf are confusing. I think the USGA is doing a great job with the rules that they're posting on their Instagram account and I've been sharing those on the Vegas golf network page and collecting them in a highlight. So if you ever want to see some of those, that's a great place to go check them out, aside from their site. There's way too many golf ball options way too many. A lot of them do the same thing, but it's like a competition between these guys about who can do the best and it's really taking it out of the consumer's hands. There's just there's just too much too much going on with the golf ball in my opinion. Let's see wedges from grinds and materials used. It can be very confusing. $1500 putters, just absolutely wild pro shops with crap offerings. I know Joe is a big fan of this. Yeah, yeah, yep, dick headed marshals. We were just talking about that. You know Dick headed more and then no marshals, and so ever. You have courses where it would be nice to have somebody come by and go. Hey, can you pick it up a little bit? You're falling behind. The group behind is complaining about slow play. You know there's ways to do that with also relates to cart girls.
Speaker 3:Just like driving by that, I think cart girls is probably worse than the marshals. But you can continue on the list. Shout out to Tray. Tuning in also.
Speaker 1:Hey, what's up? Tray Course etiquette I know a lot of the new players I blame for this, but there's courts etiquette and self awareness, and the self awareness is not just, you know, new players, it's old players as well. I understand situations where you're getting in your groove, but I mean you have to be aware of what's going on around you. And then, of course, we could always talk about pace of play, because it is absolutely insane. What's going on with pace of play out on the golf courses? Um, all right, so that's what I got. You guys um have anything you want to chime in or you want to talk about anything that I said.
Speaker 3:I mean we could probably just go down the list and break it down. I mean, there's not much wrong with golf if you're a golfer, right, like so you're to me like I'm just super stoked to be out there Number one right, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Obviously things can be.
Speaker 3:Obviously, things can be better, you know, and and it's the, it's the situations in everyday life, such as work or parenting or whatever the case may be, that can annoy you easily. Right, and I don't want to twist this into, we don't enjoy golf nowadays. I just think it for us being playing a little bit longer I mean, I've only been playing for five years, but five years ago courses were 30, $40 cheaper, right, and that's one of my biggest gripes. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, depending on where you play, right. So it has obviously gotten more expensive and there is inflation in the country, I get that. But there's also more golfers nowadays and it's harder to get a tee time, which doesn't help, with you having to fork over a hundred, $120, $140 or whatever for a time that you're not into. Or three or four years ago it would have been 80, you know, it hurts a little bit because obviously we all love the game and and at the end of the day, it is I Jag, it is just a game, but we we love it and we want to play and, like we said earlier in the podcast, like we're fiends, so we have to play or else we're going to lose our fucking mind. But there are things. I'm sorry, yeah, there are things wrong with golf, but I don't want to get into it. But I don't want anybody to think that.
Speaker 1:Oh, we don't love. Oh, no, I mean yeah. Yeah, all of all of this shit on the screen right here, yeah it drives me.
Speaker 4:Recommendations.
Speaker 1:It's not going to stop me from going out. Yeah at all. Yeah, Two years ago Paiute was 65 bucks. Yeah, OK.
Speaker 3:It's crazy.
Speaker 1:So equipment companies With all their releases? Is it justifiable For them to do it, or is it capitalism? So if they can do it, go for it, or at a point Do you have to go? Look, there's not that much of a difference between that driver that last year and this one.
Speaker 3:I think they just capitalize on people that actually know what they're doing. Because two or three years ago, yeah, I was like I need the new driver, I need the new driver. Now I, like I mentioned it before like I haven't changed anything in my bag for at least a year, like I do need new iron shafts, I know that, but still, like four years ago, I would have just fucking bought them. And I think they just they know that people are so enticed by new things and new technology and they, they can sell, they can sell you, you know, like I think when the cover. And it doesn't really, it's not even real, real difference.
Speaker 1:You know when when Paradigm Stealth 435 all came out pushing five hundred fifty six hundred dollars and they were selling them. Yeah, they went. Yeah, we can do this with everything. Let's make a five wood four hundred dollars. Let's make a hybrid.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and the drivers went up. Everything went up. Fifty bucks this last year I think it was five. Why?
Speaker 1:five, fifty, and I mean God. If you want to get a customized Taylor made Stealth, you're dropping a grant.
Speaker 3:I mean, when I bought my Sim five wood, I felt like a complete asshole, spending like four hundred dollars on one club, you know.
Speaker 1:That's just crazy.
Speaker 3:They know what they're doing. They're selling it, they're salesmen.
Speaker 1:All right, Dan, you're you're on the higher end skilled player. What's your thoughts on the shafts not having any regulation?
Speaker 2:Um and.
Speaker 1:I love to hear your thoughts on this too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would say, with trade being more of a fitter, you'd probably be more, you know, involved than I could be. But you know, I think it's. I think it's kind of bullshit, if you know what you're saying is. You know you're buying a stiff or whatever and it's pecking out to like, you know, regular specs. You know me personally, I feel like I can Tell that when I swing. But for the average person who might not know any better, you know, yeah, they're kind of. You know it sucks to get the wool pulled over there. But as far as what you can do to change that, I'm not sure. I mean, maybe quality control has got to take a little bit more of a pride over just mass production. You know, just getting something out with our label on it, slap a $300 price tag on it, boom, let's start making money. But unfortunately that's kind of what golf is like now. You know it's just it's for a lot of these big name companies it's like a cash grab. You know, like nothing significant has really changed. I'm kind of, I'm going to kind of revert back to like just the drivers. If you look at the stealth, look at the stealth to look at the sim and you look at the sim to solve the same design. They just use different material, like the sim to and the stealth to. It's the same same thing, except for one's got a carbon face and the other one has a carbon crown.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they move the weight around a little bit here and justify hey, you need this.
Speaker 2:But for the most part, if you just look at the heads and the sole plates, they're the same driver, different paint job and. But because you move the crown of carbon from the crown to the face, you throw another hundred dollars plus on top of boom, put it out the next year. So same with title list too. If you look at the TSI and the TSR, like there's Hardly any difference. So I think it's just more of like just get something out and just get something new. Guys who want the new shiny toys will go and get it regardless.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's kind of like like a status symbol, you know yeah, I got the newest driver, I got the newest irons and it's it's really not about that and I think this could pertain to you know like getting fitted is expensive too. Absolutely Right To figure out what exact shaft you need. If you're not trying to drop four hundred dollars, two hundred dollars, whatever, on any type of shaft, you have to go get fitted so you can find out what works for you. And that comes down to it being too expensive Because to find out what you're doing like there's only a couple of places you can go to, where it's like you can just pop shit in, pop it in, pop it out, try everything with the shaft, with the club or the heads or the driver head, whatever it is, to find out what actually works for you. And even at that point it's not the same as you're going to get at the end, because the quick connects or whatever the hosel is going to act a a hermit different, you know yeah, and it could so hard to dial it in. I told Trey that I'd send him the link to jump in.
Speaker 1:I did too, yeah.
Speaker 3:But it's such. That's the thing. It's such a unique sport, such a unique game and it's so hard to find what works for you because there are steps you need to take. You need to know what you're looking at, you need to educate yourself, you need to understand the game, you need to understand your swing. There's so many aspects to it where it's it's kind of hard to even do it when you are getting like professionally fitted. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think we've beaten up too many people For the last two years. So I think everybody knows that. But the customer service going by the wayside this is one thing that is kind of annoying to me is you know, you pay, you pay more, you're paying more now and it's. It's pretty much the same product and in our case it's an inferior product because so many of the courses have water restrictions and you know they're not as green and they're not as lush. There's a lot of dry, dormant areas now because they don't have the the budget for water that they used to. So it's kind of an inferior product compared to a couple of years ago, but we're paying more for it and it's like we're inconveniencing the golf course by being out there and I just I really would love to see a change of attitude on the customer service side. That would be like dude man, you're really getting raped over the coals. Let's, let's at least give you some love while you're here. What's up, trey? Here I am the newest major champion Trey Sanders. Yes, congratulations, congratulations, congratulations, congratulations.
Speaker 3:Before you go too deep into that customer service. One thing I wanted to say was is, for newer golfers, unreal expectations of golf course conditions. Right, because when I, when I started playing, I thought that everything was supposed to look like Augusta, you know, and they, it's true, though right, and when you first start playing golf, you're expecting all courses to look a certain way. That's not the case, because there's seasons, there's different types of grasses and, talking to Darden, who was at Wild Horse, who is now at Angel Park, it's it's, it's an impossible job to keep those expectations up to your clientele, because everybody's expecting it to be a certain way, but that's not the case. It's a very difficult job. So last week was Greenskeeper.
Speaker 1:Joe got lost on the day.
Speaker 3:Appreciation day or whatever it was. Good grief, man. So shout out to the Greenskeepers because it's not. It's not what you expect every single time. And that's what makes golf awesome, because you're going to experience different shit all the time. You're going to experience different types of grasses, different types of lies and keep your expectations down and when you come across those courses that are sick and dope and in great condition, like, appreciate that because that's a moment you're not going to see all the fucking time. Yeah.
Speaker 5:And I think, regarding that, you know I've been at several private clubs and seen several kids at play and I think to myself, you know, I mean I'm talking like when I say private club. I'm talking a hundred grand to kind of join stuff. And you know I see kids at private clubs when I was fitting. You know those kids are never going to know what it's like to play a fucking Boulder City, muni or a Boulder Creek. Yeah, and I love Boulder.
Speaker 3:I mean it's wintertime, when it's dormant and fucking running all over.
Speaker 5:I mean I still love that. I mean I love it, it's fun. It's fun. It's just, you know, that's what makes the game different, you know. But I agree, like I think, the expectations from club to club. You know it's hard because like, let's say, you go, you know. Let's say you got somebody you know coming to Las Vegas and they see they book a tea time in Las Vegas National and they look at it online and then they show up and it's a completely different thing. Like there's that level of trying to convince the player to come to that golf course, no matter the condition that it's in. Yeah, it's a sales technique really, at the end of the day, you know, and I have been on, and I'm sure most of you guys have have been on the end of, you know, someone says it's a great layout, and then every time I hear great layout, I think shitty condition. Yeah, true, yeah. And we've all been on that end where it's like, oh man, like I'm excited for this, boom, boom. I show up and it's a go track, go track. You know it's fucking awful and I, but you're right, there's got to be some level of realism to that. But I think, at the same time, no matter if it's, if it's unfixable, that's one thing, but I'm going to say it until I see more of it happen. But people got to fix ball marks. Yeah, totally, you know, and it's, it's not hard, you know, have I missed one before? Sure, but at the same time, I might do it four or five times on another green, yeah, you know. So I think there's a level, there's a level of decorum around golf that people, from 2020 on forward, that don't know.
Speaker 1:I have a funny story about fixing ball marks. Saturday had a conversation with someone and you know, I I don't like approaching people and telling them hey, you're doing this wrong, let me show you the right way. But it got to a point where it was like, dude, you're, you're ruining the grass, and so I was going up. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and on the Tuesday.
Speaker 1:And I said that's not the way you do it and he's like you know. Somebody else told me that too, but I don't believe it.
Speaker 5:And I said you know.
Speaker 1:I said, no, it's actually true, you're ripping the grass out of the roots. And he's like, yeah, but I don't. I don't believe it, so I don't do it.
Speaker 3:Was he? Did he go to a Gronomy school? Was he an agronomist?
Speaker 1:I just that's the kind of stuff, yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I mean that's that level of decorum that goes from how we learned the game to not like I've learned the game when I was young.
Speaker 3:I mean I know Joe said he started in 2018, but well, I did play when I was a kid, but my dad taught me when I was like eight, you know, but I still, I still withheld those ethics that he taught me because he said don't do this shit, Do it this way, you know so yeah, and I think you know when I was growing up there were other kids playing and stuff like that, but I also had, you know, I was fortunate enough to get lessons from a PGA pro that kind of taught me the game.
Speaker 5:Now I can't remember anything. I was taught from back then. I've always learned and evolved in this game, even now to just learning rules that the USGA posts on Instagram. I think that's fantastic. I think they should do that for every rule and just have it available, like that, because it can come in handy, like our tournaments or even an SNG, any of any kind of tournament. Yeah, you could just pull up Instagram boom. Rule 26 dash a 5000.
Speaker 1:Hey, I saw this on a video. Let's go look at it, not let's bring up the rule book and try to decipher what you know. 13 dash nine a is great, yeah.
Speaker 5:So I think I think, when it comes to something like that, the availability of what the actual rules are is well, for lack of other words, unavailable. You know, like I could type in Google, you know which side do I drop on this side or that side kind of question. But it's got to be easier than that. I mean, usga has to have, like on their app or something, just a video library of every rule possible. You know that you can have an explanation, for that can just be readily available for everybody in the tournament situation, or not.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, maybe hopefully that's what they're doing by banking all those videos and yeah, yeah, I mean they're doing a good job currently. So right.
Speaker 5:Hey, so I think, it just you, Dre.
Speaker 1:you heard what we ran through this list that we kind of put together what's something that you have that wasn't on there, besides fixture down Ballmarks?
Speaker 5:Oh, I didn't see the whole list. I couldn't read the whole thing. I jumped in like half way through.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we got. Let's see too many new people, customer service going by the wayside, the rules are confusing. There's too many golf ball options, the different wedge grinds and materials used in wedges, $1,500 putters, pro shops with crappy offerings, dickheaded marshals.
Speaker 5:Don't give me, don't give me started on that, with no marshals and self-awareness from players as far as course etiquette and pace of play. Okay, so I'll start from the bottom up, or from the last to the first. I must say, coyote springs, having one person go around every nine like a martial type person, it's fantastic. Keep, keep it moving, stuff like that. You know I'm for it because not only do we want to play shorter rounds of golf, but if you can have imagine this, like if you imagine if you had four groups that all finished in five and a half hours, if you had five groups that finished in four hours, you know they could get another tea time almost in there and make more money. Yeah, um, you know. So having someone go around like that, coyote springs does it right, especially with two car girls on each side. Oh, and, by the way, on this list, no car girls. Oh, like, no, no.
Speaker 3:Oh, not having, not having a service.
Speaker 5:Yeah, not having the service, because I love mountain falls and they don't do that. Yeah, like I don't want to have to wait till nine holes to get something. Like you know, have someone come around, but it's a senior community, it's different out there. Anyway, whatever, still gotta have one. Um, what was at the bottom of that list?
Speaker 1:again Pro shops with crappy offerings.
Speaker 5:Yeah, pro shop, oh yeah, like. Uh, I mean I'll say this when I went to Bay Hill and maybe Dan can say about I haven't been to Keywood so maybe Dan can fill in about Keywood after this but when I went to Bay Hill, like I feel like in Bay Hill it's kind of catered to you know what? I just paid $250 for around the golf. Why don't I spend $250 more dollars because I'm already here and get some cool Bay Hill shit. I've been to places where I don't get that vibe, like I bet it's pretty much the kind of vibe where you walk in, you pay for your golf and you walk right out, yeah, like, even if it's like that, like I will say, probably two of the best ones that I've been to is Tori Pines and TPC Sawgrass. The stadium course at TPC Wait till abandoned. Like I said, I haven't been there yet. When I get there I will. I will most likely add it.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, I mean going going on that right. So it's like I think golf is becoming a younger sport and I think the pro shops are not catering to the younger audience either.
Speaker 1:Oh, not at all.
Speaker 3:And we went over the New Era thing a little bit but come on there.
Speaker 5:I mean, look at there's. There's two guys on here that knew where new straight built. Come on. But yeah, I mean Dan, how was? How was the pro shop at Keela?
Speaker 2:It was nothing but Peter Millar and footjoy yeah.
Speaker 1:But there were some.
Speaker 2:Johnny O stuff. But yeah, for the most part it was. It was just those, just the fancy stuff, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1:Too many golf balls Too many golf balls. What do you think about that?
Speaker 5:Well, if Glenn was on here, we'd be on here for three more hours. We love you, glenn. But holy shit, I will say too many golf balls. Yeah, I would just say there's too many options if that's what you're talking about. Yes, yes, so too many options. That's what I have, honestly. That's why I have a closet full of Provy 1X is because I can pretty much I know what I get out of it. You know not that because it's like the titleist name or whatever. I've had people tell me like oh, you play Tyler's because you know I play a Provy 1X 2021 because I know what to expect when I fucking hit that ball. Yeah, you know, that's the long and short of it. Like you know, you told me I don't. Well, if TaylorMade was better which I know, you spoke about that before in person. The new one, the new one Talking about the new one. Yeah, yeah, like if that's as good as you say it is and the cover holds, like I'll pay a TB5X if that cover holds for sure, yeah, but going back to the customer service, but are you saying like golf stores in general?
Speaker 1:No, just when you're at a golf course, the employees that you're interacting with have, kind of, you know, taken a pass on providing customer service. And I was saying that. You know, here in Vegas we're having an inferior product compared to two three years ago because water restrictions, and we're paying more, so it's not the same value. It was. You know what a $65 round three years ago is now a $100 round and the courses aren't in as good a condition and it seems like the customer service is going the way of the golf course, not the price. You know we're paying more for an inferior product. Hey, show me some love, you know, get, make me feel a little bit better about dropping the cash that I am to come play your golf course.
Speaker 5:You know what? It's funny. You say that I'd be willing to ask them that next time I pay over $100 for around, yeah, be like, look like I moved here to. I would tell them I'd be like, even with Paiute, like Paiute is in great shape always, so I'd never complain about it. Which is, you know, have them do what they do with that course. To be as good as it is, it's fantastic. But when I moved here, that round was $60, $65. Now it's 95. Yeah, yeah, and I want to get that bolder. I mean the Paiute card for next year, but I mean it's. You know, golf is getting more expensive. I don't know if we have inflation and things for that, but at the same time, you know, when they saw the increase of golfers over the last three and a half years, you know they're like oh well, we can increase the price too.
Speaker 1:Supply and demand yeah.
Speaker 3:I think golf inflation might have hit before inflation, Do you think? Do you?
Speaker 2:think, possibly, that when the pandemic hit and everybody started playing golf but pandemic rules were still there, everybody riding in separate carts. Maybe some of the staff members or the or the or the outside crew wouldn't be handling your golf bags as much. Maybe that has kind of led into the lack of customer service, like yeah, we can interact more and we don't have masks on and stuff like that. Yeah, over the over the last three years of people kind of more handling their own equipment.
Speaker 1:I've just stood here for the last two years doing nothing. That's what I'm going to continue to do yeah, and not to mention.
Speaker 2:You know, unless you're getting tips like, you're still not making a whole lot of money in the golf, in the golf industry unless you're at a private course, you know private courses. You have the opportunity to make a little bit more money. But right, you know, mix with that and just people overall being maybe more nastier.
Speaker 1:Dicks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know. Just customer service is going by the wayside because it's they. They feel like fuck it, I'm not getting paid enough. This guy's a jerk, fuck this place.
Speaker 3:I'm still waiting for you know someone from outside services to plug in their square into their phone and be like swipe it.
Speaker 5:I would have one Dude put. All you got to do is just even the square reader or put in a fucking QR code.
Speaker 3:Nobody carries cash anymore. So for the most part I mean, I mean I'm.
Speaker 5:I'm always for cash, so you know. I realize I don't always carry it, but that's what you know the cash apps and all the other stuff is for. But uh and shout out.
Speaker 3:Dan, I've seen him. What's your Venmo? I'll Venmo you right now. I've seen him do it. Oh yeah, I don't like, I don't like you know, I'd have a square reader for sure.
Speaker 5:I just I just dealt with that for a three iron I sold and it was I hate. You know, like Dan said, I don't like going people. You know it's a mortgage is one thing, oh, and that guy is one thing, but you know, if I owe somebody something, I'm not trying to owe the homies. Exactly, you know, just pay off your debt and we're good to go. Um, so what about?
Speaker 1:self-awareness tray. What about guys that are? Just have no clue that they're the problem?
Speaker 5:I think, because I've had a real close interaction in this area of golf, I feel that there's a lot of ego in this game because it's solo. You know we are a solo. You know, like tennis players, we play this game by ourselves in a group of four people. Whether there's competition or whatever is hearsay. But when it comes to self-awareness, you know, I think, the people that are aware that somebody may or may not be the problem, it still has to be told in a way, like you know, I take the high road. You know you have to let them know and keep repeating it to them. And then at some point you just had to be a little stern with your message. If it's been repeated several times, you know, yeah, I mean, this is this at the end of the day, this is golf, like we don't need to have confrontation or anything. But you know, if three people at a four say it's this, then you know, pay attention. Like that's all that has to go down with that, because you know, if I know I'm doing something, you know that's this or that and it's not right. And so you know three or out of four people tell me in the group that you know this is the right way to do it. Then you know, maybe majority rules and they know what they're talking about. You know, and I have conversation a lot about this with several areas of golf, with lots of people you know, and I think somebody like Dan, you know even Joe who's you know, five years in Matt. You, I don't know how many years in golf you're in. There's too many, you know. For myself it's about 25 years.
Speaker 1:Don't be this bad.
Speaker 5:It's, you know. I will just say that when it comes to something like this at least between the four of us here and a couple others that we you know, many others that we know there's some legitimacy to us saying something about what you're doing, you know, whether it's pace of play reasons or fixing ballmarks, sand, whatever you know, there's people got to understand that length in time and golf and knowing the surroundings is carries validity and I think there's just too much ego for people to accept help from other people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think it comes down to like a communication factor, which I know a lot of the world is locking in, and it's just asking your art partner or your players you're playing with, like hey, can I drop here? Is this not a bad? Is this a bad drop? Like, where do you feel that? You know, and it's, it's at the end of the day, like I've said, it's just a game, so right.
Speaker 5:It is, but I'm dropping here Is this cool with you?
Speaker 3:Is this cool with you? Does this, does this work for you? And most people aren't going to go out on a limb and ask that or some people won't.
Speaker 5:Most people won't. They'll just kind of drop wherever they feel like it and all that. But I think you know I've always just been a big believer in you know, especially with the desert here, for pace of play reasons. Just take your stroke and distance cares, like I mean, I don't care, I'm for it. Like if I'm, if I'm telling you to do it, then do it. Yeah, you know, whether it's five bucks or nothing on the line, just let's keep this thing moving. It's a bit rolling, you know, and it's with. The rules is one thing, but you know, I've had this conversation with some other people and I feel that since new golfers have come along, that there's not as much integrity in the game as there used to be.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would agree with that.
Speaker 5:You know integrity, calling penalties on oneself and different things like that. You know, I don't there's not much protecting the field anymore, Correct.
Speaker 3:You know, and I've been on the side.
Speaker 5:I've been on the side of a tournament where I call the penalty on myself. It sucks. You don't want to do that, you know. But that's part of the game of golf is having the integrity to be a bigger man, and you know, come forward with that. So you know and I realize not everybody's perfect, and all of that but at the same time you know you can learn a lot about this game and how you are in this game. You know compared to where you're at and you know the rest of your life, because you know four hours or so, and I'm not talking about, like you guys, specifically but, if you're playing with new golfers and you see this like there has to be somebody telling them this or that, or they'll keep doing, keep doing it for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's the thing. Players license.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's, I mean a lot of it kind of like weighs on our shoulders, like we are. Yes, Players that have been playing for a while need to tell the newer ones like, hey, that's not correct. And for someone to stand up and say that it's, it's difficult for the newer generation that is not down with confrontation to be like yo, that's incorrect and I'll take it. You know it's, it's. It's. It's tough for people to do that, but it needs to be done because you're going to carry the game of golf on in the respect that it's been played for years, because it is a game of history and it sucks when you have to start those conversations with hey, totally, I'm not being a dick, but yeah, yeah. But we need, but it's it's like somewhat our obligation to teach the newer ones how to do it.
Speaker 1:I agree.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:I agree, I completely agree, because if nobody does, they'll never learn.
Speaker 3:And if you're a new golfer and you don't know, then you need to fucking ask somebody.
Speaker 5:Yeah, not Google.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Assume, assume. The one thing I will say, too, is going back to a previous. Well, I'll go back to that about. I heard something about fitting earlier, but right before I hopped on.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 5:That was about the chance, but that just goes back to the decorum I talked about. You know, there's gotta somebody has to teach people just basic rules of golf, even if it's just an adopted form, like not legit ones. That we go by Cliffsnuts, yeah, like a cliff notes, yeah, about just white stakes, red stakes, you know, and different things like that. I got sneeze here in a second and then I truly feel and I don't know how or if it's going to happen I truly feel that T system, like the golf T's on each course, has to be organized better. And I know it may not even affect how and where golfers play on a golf course, you know, related to what T's they play, but there has to be some scoring level or something that says like, if it's this T, you know 80 plus, you know if you average 80, average 90, 100, whatever, something like that, yeah, you know there's got to be.
Speaker 3:And, of course, how did that do?
Speaker 5:it, yeah, and I think it's fantastic because I have played with a guy two guys actually, at Coyote Springs it was me and Glenn and we play. One of the guys never picked up a golf club and he decided to tee it up with me and Glenn on the tips. Yeah, and his friend, who he said he'd been playing like five months, did the same thing and I'm like you don't know what you're in for, I hate. Yeah, and like I hate telling guys that, yeah, but at the same time, like I'm only telling them because I'm trying to make the game easy for you, because this game's already hard. It's hard for me, you know, some days are just better than others and some days you don't break putters and make a purchase. Yeah, but hey did you.
Speaker 1:Hey, did you see the wedge?
Speaker 3:and just everything goes in or not.
Speaker 1:Our giveaway. Did you see our raffle? What we're doing for the raffle.
Speaker 5:I did not see chasing daylight podcast raffle.
Speaker 1:The Southern Highlands social for the S and G. A Dan can't play with us, so it's Joe, jeremy and myself. So for the fourth spot, we're having a raffle 20 bucks. 20 bucks, stole your name, pay my Venmo. I put it up on the screen. Pay 20 bucks and you're in the raffle.
Speaker 5:OK, are they going to play with the three of us then?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you play with Joe, Jeremy and myself, and then whoever wins a raffle.
Speaker 5:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whoever wins the raffle, Sorry.
Speaker 5:You guys just kicking me out of the squad.
Speaker 1:No, no no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not like that, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 5:Hell, I'll play with three brand new people. I don't care. Yeah, yeah, you know it's. You know. I want to go into the shaft too, because, well, I'm the shaft core.
Speaker 1:So, so with with no regulations and shafts, meaning there's no. This is I mean you can frequency them and and find out on your own, but nobody's doing that when they're going to to Dix to pick up a set of irons.
Speaker 3:Well, the issue is like your speed it's. It's based on swing speed, which is not relative I this is.
Speaker 5:this is a subject we can go on about.
Speaker 1:Well, I got to go to bed.
Speaker 5:I don't go on too long, yeah, I know so none of that existed, if none of that stuff ever existed, but we still have the same, like if we still have the same technology right now but the fitting stuff didn't really exist. Like I remember going to the golf store in Florida when I first started playing golf and hitting stuff into a net with no projection, none of that. You just simply bought clubs based on feel. Yeah, you know, I remember the days you could demo a club for a week and bring it back. Like I know that would not go over well now, but 90 days at Las Vegas golf superstar.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, Las Vegas golf superstar gives you 90 days.
Speaker 5:Well, that's that people Take. I worked that, I worked that job and people took advantage of that way too many times, of course.
Speaker 3:Well, that goes back to the game of golf and the respect and the decor, but I think I think, when it comes to fitting this is my two cents.
Speaker 5:I think, when it comes to fitting, that there's right golf clubs for every golf and they're not all the same. You know, when it comes to shafts, irons, a lot of that deals with how it looks, followed by how it feels. You know, but at the same time you could, you could be very well fitting a guy that doesn't know what the fuck feel is, which is a hard subject to tell somebody, because that's not something you can teach. You know that's feels not something that is taught, especially in golf. You know it comes from massive and massive amount of hours worked on on a craft. You know whether you're getting better or not.
Speaker 1:Matt three under the bus. Oh no, that's fine.
Speaker 5:You know, when it comes to fitting like for people that I don't know and I haven't looked golfed with, for people that are fitting, I feel that there needs to be like you should get yourself a nice set of golf clubs, not freaking Callaway, sorry, not Cal, not so many by a rabble to get OK, not Callaway, edge from Costco. You know you can get some really nice preowned shit, yeah, and you work with that for a while until you can get yourself a golf swing that is somewhat unrepeat yeah, because it's hard to fit a guy that is swinging all over the map and he may fit, get fit to this and hit it good for a while, but if he's not able to, I'm not talking about any of us, but if he's not able to repeat a golf swing of some kind, getting fit for golf clubs is just a waste of money.
Speaker 3:I remember going to club champion and Rodin, he was like yeah, I'm not, I'm not recommending anything for you, because yeah you got to fix that?
Speaker 5:Yeah, you got to fix that swing and I think nowadays and I seen it done at club champion and I think nowadays fitters need to stop selling golf clubs just to sell golf clubs If that guy is a swing guy yeah, I'll swing is that bad. Yeah, all over the map. Like tell them. Yeah, like do not. Who cares about the paycheck? Because if you tell them to do it the right way and fix it, they'll come back and buy golf clubs from you. Yeah, because I've done it.
Speaker 1:That was awesome. What Roars was saying last week about being at at Shelby with you know, I don't want to fit you today because you're taking lessons and let's, let's wait. I want David to come tell me, ok, she's ready, or he's ready to be fit now, right you? Know, instead of hey, let's fit you and then go take some lessons. So, yeah, yeah, do it.
Speaker 5:The right way. Yeah, and that's that's. The thing is like. I realize and people call me crazy when I say this it's crazy. Every day, people that play golf and want to get better at golf, they don't realize that 20 to 30 minutes of drills in your house without hitting a golf ball goes a long way. You know, and I think it just people just got to realize that this. I think they realize that, don't realize that golf is harder than it really is. You know, because there's a lot of athletes that start playing and it's fantastic, but then there's a shit ton of variables too. Yeah, there's a lot of variables that it comes down to, but that's my, that's. My prognosis on the fitting aspect of things is like yes, there's a lot of options, that's never going to change I didn't even get into.
Speaker 1:there's too many YouTube coaches. There's too many YouTube golfers.
Speaker 4:There's too many.
Speaker 1:Instagram golfers.
Speaker 3:There's too many podcasts Don't another episode. I can't talk about that right now. I'm trying to get a bed here.
Speaker 1:So yeah, too funny.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you know it's. I put you know, I reposted on my face, on my Instagram, because I, you know, it was that exhibition range thing that Tiger did with Ricky and somebody else. Yeah. I can't remember Will's on the Taurus, maybe there was well. So that's like people realize. Like, when it comes to YouTube, it's a resource to learn from. You know, I feel that if you want to use YouTube as a way to get better, do it. However, stay with the same golf, same golf coach, watch all their videos and do exactly what they did, learn their method, like. If that's what you're going to do and you don't want to spend money on a golf coach, which I understand, but you really want to get better, well, get yourself a mirror full length and do exactly what they're telling you to do on a on YouTube and go for it. But, at the same time, if you ain't hitting balls, getting better at teaching, yet learning what they're trying to teach you, you ain't going to get better, because the only way to get better in this game is to hit golf ball. Yep.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 1:I will.
Speaker 3:I will say, like I dove deep into YouTube videos when I started playing golf, but it's, it's one of those things where it's like you've got to be self aware to understand if things don't work and don't travel down that path Right, and self awareness is key to understand who you are.
Speaker 5:You're just a soul golfer, though I mean I can't wait to be soulful and San Diego with you. It's a philosophy, golfer now.
Speaker 2:Two by fours. Cheers cheers bro.
Speaker 5:Yeah you know I will say. I will say this going back to my comment. You someone I think Joe said it about fittings being too expensive, or someone said it. I'll say this, going back to my previous comment about telling people that they need to improve their golf swing before getting fit. If you take that person's money and don't return their money because you tell them that that's fucked up Like I would not, like if I'm doing a whole hour fitting and I realize at the end that they're not going to break one 10 and they're swinging 12 degrees to the left, like yeah, at that point give them their money back and tell them to get better at golf and then come back and come back. Yeah, get some lessons and come back because, like the way I see it, like even for myself talking you know, I look back at my round that I played on Saturday at County Springs and even though I had the eight birdies, I still had two doubles and two bogeys. Like there's always room to improve every round and that's what I try to teach the people that are trying to learn this game and get into the eighties and into the seventies, even into the nineties, like there's got to you got to understand. Like it's people don't understand is going to take a lot of work to break a hundred, to break 90, to break 80. I mean, joe went through that shit, matt's going through that, he's broken 80 several times. And that self awareness you're talking about. People need to be self aware that if you really want to improve in this game you have to work at it. You have to work at it. It's not going to happen from watching good, good or any of those guys like that's pure entertainment, like they're getting better at golf is actual work and that should excite you if you like this game on any level. Yeah, like, don't get discouraged because you have to work a lot You're going to get discouraged about everything else in life because you got to work. Yeah, you know. So, when it comes to getting better at this game, that's my two senses Like learn from somebody that you can know and trust to help you build a good golf swing. Then, once you build a good golf swing, it's like a chip off the block. You got to. It's a never ending block. You got to keep chipping away at it, you know. And then the minute, the minute you find huge.
Speaker 1:I've been chipping away at that motherfucker for so damn long. My knife is dull, my back is hurt.
Speaker 5:You got the nub like the end of the shower. Yeah, I'm still digging yeah, anyway, that's my, that's my two cents on self.
Speaker 1:Hey, we don't have a no golf tournament this week. The fall series is on hiatus until after the Ryder Cup, which is in two weeks, so I don't know if the DP World Tour has anything going on this weekend. But they play like 50 weeks a year. Yeah, they don't quit, they're, they're relentless.
Speaker 5:That's cool. I mean places they play all over the world. So yeah, it's cool, to be honest.
Speaker 1:You think about it, you're traveling a different country every week playing a golf tournament. It's pretty damn cool, though. Uh, everybody, thank you so much for tuning in. Trey, thanks for hopping on, kind of filling in for Jeremy while he's ill and under the weather. I'll be, back next week. Ryder Cup. Is that a week after that? So we got, isn't it? Is it next weekend?
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's not this weekend, it's two weeks yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, cool, I thought it was this weekend we're going to be next weekend.
Speaker 1:Next weekend, um, yeah, uh, hit up my Venmo. I put it on the screen. I'll post it in the show notes for Wednesday for people. Um, it's no talking about for the, uh, the so high thing here. It is right here.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I already paid for mine. I already paid for mine. I see you're good, I wasn't going to miss that.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no. Um. So yeah, 20 bucks, throw your name in the hat and uh, we'll have the live drawing uh in a couple of weeks, and that's it.
Speaker 5:Put something on Instagram I can share.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'll, I'll, I'm going to put it everywhere, I'm going to put it everywhere.
Speaker 5:So sounds good.
Speaker 1:Check that out. Um oh Trey, we're King of the Greens coming up too. We were going to do it at Angel Park, on the putting course.
Speaker 5:Sweet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so All right, Joe. Uh, bring us home with your bad self.
Speaker 3:Yo, thanks for tuning in. Chasing day of that podcast Uh, next week's going to be pretty dope. Uh, we got Ryder Cup coming up. Me and Trey are going out to Sandy, You're going to play in the King collective Uh, the kingdom. I can't wait for that.
Speaker 1:Oh we can?
Speaker 3:Uh, we're playing wood drivers, so it's going to be fun.
Speaker 5:I'm taking a three wood baby.
Speaker 3:I finally found a set. Shout out Mike Tyson, I know he listens. Uh, thank you for the borrow of your clubs. Uh, but until then, we'll see you next week and Ryder Cup's coming up. Shout out to you the Gala on the wind. Um, we'll see you then later, later, oh, oh you.
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