230: Exploring the Behind-Scenes of Golf Tournaments: From Course Choices to High-Stakes Decisions
Ever thought about the behind-the-scenes decisions that shape a golf tournament's outcome? We dive into that and more in this episode! Joined by our special guest, Chris Torres, we wander down memory lane, reminiscing about the glory days of the now-defunct Taylor Made course, while also highlighting the fantastic work being done at Angel Park by Jed. We share our insights on Las Vegas' Hidden Greens and Tropicana Golf Club, envisioning the massive potential for improvements to draw golf enthusiasts from all corners of the town.
The episode doesn't just stick to the tees and greens; we analyze the high-stakes drama of the U.S. Open. We scrutinize the grounds crew's game-changing decision, dissecting how it added a layer of complexity to the tournament. We explore Brian Harmon's victory, contrasting it with Kevin Kisner's performance. The nostalgia continues as we revisit the 2019 U.S. Open, pondering the 'what-ifs' around Rory McIlroy and Cam Young. Wrapping up, we celebrate Shane Lowry's triumphant win, delve into the compelling Fitzpatrick brothers' narrative, and share some exciting golf highlights. So golf fans, join us for a riveting discussion that promises to fuel your love for the sport!
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Michael:Yeah, this, no need to argue.
Joe:Parris just won't understand.
Chris:Boom, boom.
Joe:Yo, welcome to the Chasing Daylight podcast. Uh, dad's not home again. Neither is brother J Mark. So, uh, the misfit kid has the keys to the crib. There you go, we out here. So uh, we got Chris Torres in the house.
Chris:We're in Las Vegas, but that goes with the first viewers day off.
Joe:Right, uh, yeah, man. And then we got also Mr King of SDI and HDMI.
Michael:Decimator Controllers Mr Mike.
Joe:McJee, bruxino.
Michael:What up?
Joe:In the house we're taking over tonight.
Michael:Man, let's do it. We might burn this to the ground, dude. We don't know what's gonna happen, you never know.
Joe:Thank you guys for joining. Hey guys, I'm Joe Mahomes. If you guys didn't know, Mike is co-father, founder of Hidden Greens. Um, and then Chris Mr Torres is the community captain of I'm trying to search for a C Vegas name Casa Blanca. Hey well you can call that NASA.
Chris:Yeah, we call it the Sahara. Country Club. There you go.
Joe:So we're not gonna dive too deep into uh Mike's ongoings with Dog Leg, part 3, or Cocky and Lucky and the other things like that. Chris is dealing with uh Tropicana Golf Club. I'm gonna give a shout out to uh Jed up at Angel Park. These guys well, mike's already done one. Uh did a podcast with Jed up there, uh Golf at the Park. It's on YouTube. It's a podcast. Mike's is great. It dives pretty deep into like the Hidden Green situation and what he's doing and his work with Roger Steele. Uh, we might get into some of those situations a little bit, but and then Chris just recorded this morning with Jed up at uh Angel Park, with Jed, oh yeah, and his episode should be dropping soon.
Chris:I think in the next couple weeks. Yeah, in the next couple weeks.
Joe:So, that's gonna dive really deep into Chris's uh history and, uh, what he's got going on. So I just want to give you know a little push to go check out Jed's podcast. Um, up at Golf at the Park, I mean they're doing great things up there and great facility. Like Mike, my grandpa was a Marshall out there and you know it's. It's awesome to see what they're doing and all the social media influence. Like I think Jed's really taken that by the horns and he's the only, he's like the one course in town. That's really like trying to push it hard.
Michael:Yeah, jed is, jed is pushing it. He is and I think he's building the community even. I mean, you're talking about guys that haven't played there in 10 years and then guys that are just getting started and we're all getting smashed together because of everybody's posting on Angel Park. So doing a great job up there.
Joe:Yeah, and it's a great spot, great practice facility. If you're in the area like that, that's where you go. I mean the only, the only real, like legit part three lit course in town, like I know we have that other one but it's trash. Sorry.
Michael:How many times? How?
Chris:many times you guys pass by.
Michael:Dude, if I had the money, I would make this place a best.
Chris:Yeah, every day, bro, if I had a few million bucks, I would turn that place into a map.
Joe:Yeah, I mean I'd be driving by and like just looking at all like the people just Dimple this balls, you know, yeah, and what would be.
Michael:So dope is like as far as the course goes, you don't have to put much into it, right?
Joe:Dude.
Michael:I would replace every T box with a hitting mat. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, and then I wouldn't even care about the rest of the course. I would put all the money just into the greens and let the recipe desert with like a little bit of fringe and call it a day.
Chris:I mean that's a hell of an idea. But do you guys remember when, when Taylor made first took it over and they did the big holes? You guys remember that?
Joe:I don't remember that. I do remember Taylor made having it, having it. I never played.
Chris:So obviously, when Callaway opened it right. So it was Callaway initially and it was dude. It was cream of the crop. It was amazing. I played it a few times. Then they went down and then Taylor made picked it up, and then Taylor made the 18 inch holes and they did away for people to come out and play and it was oh, I got to the big I don't know why when you?
Michael:said the holes, I was thinking they did like soccer golf holes.
Chris:So almost soccer balls, soccer size holes. But it was just a way to get people to come out and just put do one putts right, and it was really nice, it was great, and then it just stopped and it went. You know, shoot, I think it was a 2015 or 2016, when they kind of just let it go.
Joe:That's crazy, I mean it's, it's such a prime like location you know like and it's it's money. And that's where a lot of people on our side of town like I know you got. Well, chris, you're over here, but Mike, you're all the way up there. So you got Angel Park but it's close to a lot of people and it's lit and you can go anytime you want. So a lot of people hit that up. I mean I can't imagine the revenue just in range balls, because I'm sure that's at least 90% of their right has to be that in the bar.
Michael:That's the two things that run that place.
Joe:All you see is like you still see Taylor made like branding all over the place to everywhere.
Michael:Yeah whoever bought it was just like yeah, whatever, just leave it. I just hope. I hope somebody does some what they do, because it's pretty real estate. Where's the? Where's the pop shirt going? Isn't it going somewhere over there across the streets?
Joe:going to town center, town square.
Michael:So I feel like whoever whether it's the person or somebody buys it. Somebody's going to have to do something with it, because pop shirts and take all of their business.
Chris:It's going to take all of this.
Joe:And you guys have never been to a pop show, right.
Chris:I never.
Joe:So we went in Orlando and man, it's a lot of fun. It's fucking way too busy, but it's. It's awesome, it's a lot of fun. I can't wait. I can't wait for that to get here, because I mean, chris having kids like I can't wait to take the O there. Like I'm looking for annual members pass because I can take that my son there all the time. It's it's a bunch of fun. But I think I forget which one of you said it, but the the turf T-boxes. I think I think they should definitely implement that and I think that this might be controversial, but Angel Park Cloud 9 should probably.
Michael:I agree with that because 100. Oh yeah, those.
Joe:T-boxes are just beat up and if yeah, they're just beat the fuck up. And if you just had like a little 8 by 3 square where you could always hit off if you preferred, like I think that would make that place a little bit more enjoyable. Personally.
Michael:I think you would make it very enjoyable.
Chris:I mean it'll be a, it'll help the Greenskeepers to man Like it's totally a lot, you know just let the areas heal.
Joe:Just let them heal you know, whatever the case may be, in a summertime or you know, I know you got to say is like we're playing off turf today.
Michael:Yeah.
Joe:Sorry, yeah. You hit off you hit off turf off the driving range. You can hit off turf on the part.
Chris:When's the last time you guys played that part 3 at the golf center?
Michael:Not too long for me. I mean, it was this year, a couple months ago.
Chris:That ninth hole has has it does.
Joe:That was the best.
Chris:T-box.
Michael:Yeah, that's really pretty.
Chris:Matt Brahm, I worried, you guys get this though.
Michael:Yeah.
Chris:It's there and back in the day dude it used to have one par 4. It had one par 4. It was a yeah, this was when it was Callaway. It was one par 4. They basically took 8 and 9 and made that a long par 4. It was pretty cool. Okay.
Michael:No, dude, I was going to say it's so random that one, that one T-box is like that, but it is like the nicest man I've ever hit off.
Chris:Yeah, I'm going to jack this.
Joe:I'm going to jack this. So how much, how much of the open did you guys watch?
Chris:this past weekend I saw Mr Trashman himself Republic.
Michael:Services repping barely. Barely any highlights from me.
Chris:I saw the third round and I saw just most of the third round and I saw just a little bit of the fourth. So yeah, it was interesting, man. It was very interesting to see a lefty just kick everyone's ass right.
Joe:Well, you're lefty right, so you loved it. I was I loved every moment. My only thing is go ahead. For me, I'm like I don't. I don't want to see someone run away with it, I want to see a tight race, I want to see a battle. I want to see someone destruct at the end. I want to see someone fucking coming back from behind. Right, and it did. I mean Wyndham Clark kind of ran away with it a little bit, I mean he was ahead. But I feel like I just want that drama a little bit more in these majors and I feel like we haven't gotten a really good one in a while.
Chris:In a minute. It's been a minute and I think with this one a lot of Crocoteers man, everybody was complaining about something and I was like dude, what else you guys got to complain about? So there's Armin.
Joe:We played VGN this weekend. We had a two day tournament Like you see, fucking hot as shit. It was the summer season. His old shout out Jeremy Belflauer I know he listens every single week driving his UPS truck. He might be able to quit now because he got like three or four skins and a couple of closest to pins and he won the tournament. So, he's probably driving his truck and now listen to it, but it's cool.
Michael:But it's like everybody just money flying out of the window.
Joe:Yeah, it's just gift cards just going out the window. But everybody plays the same golf course and that's what that's. One thing for me is like if one guy complains and the other guy doesn't, it's like fuck. I mean, you played the same golf course. You have nothing to blame it on if he played better than you. And that was a controversy situation where the grounds crew made that the ends of the pot bunkers. They made a more of a, you know, like up slope to cover some of those Reeves Revings, what did they call them, can't remember, but sorry with an R. But it's like everybody's playing the same golf course and Brian Harmon, just he putted his ass off. But for me, like watching a major, I want to see something coming down to the stretch and I want to see it more exciting and shout out. Brian Harmon, like great player, seems like a really good dude. He seems like a, you know, probably a more deep south version of Kevin Kisner to me. But you know, I just want majors to be more exciting and I don't think we've gotten that in a while, a little while.
Chris:I agree, I agree. And then we can go on and on and talk about why, right? Because you know the field was cut in half and a lot of the exciting players left, a lot of the drama went away. It's kind of like Brian Harmon just won a major. You know what I'm saying.
Joe:Right, yeah, it's like wild. Like Brian Harmon won, you know.
Chris:Yeah, it was just like last year when it was Tony Fiena, and remember it was like, well, Tony Fiena won three in a row, or whatever it was. It's like yeah.
Joe:Remember last year it was like Rory was charging Cam Young was right there, Cam Smith, like you know, it came down to 18 where if, like Cam Young, like Eagle did or Rory birdied the last two, that could have changed the whole thing. I don't remember exactly, but that's the type of shit I wanted in a major. I don't really care necessarily who wins, but I want some fucking drama. You gotta have the drama dude. I mean dude, it was one by six. He won by six.
Chris:He had an interesting story.
Michael:Did you see the only one all weekend that was under par?
Joe:All weekend. I don't know about that Maybe.
Michael:Or maybe all four rounds under par. Oh no, he was.
Chris:Yeah.
Joe:Yeah, for sure. I mean you drain like 58 to 59 with inside 10 feet or something. I saw that stuff.
Chris:I mean did you guys see the the waggle counter? Yeah, I thought, I thought it was fake. I mean, it was real. It was like yeah, I mean it was insane to watch him waggle so much, but I was like, dude, is this on repeat, right? But I mean we've all played with the player that does that, so I mean it's interesting to say it, you know.
Joe:So that's kind of funny because earlier today I saw a video it was probably like 2013, 2014. Someone going over his it was probably like a playing lessons thing on golf channel and they were going over his like pre-shot routine and I was watching it and he said you know, I step up to the ball, I'm gonna step up, and then I don't hit until I'm comfortable. So that kind of gave a lot of context to the situation. He's not comfortable playing in the last round of the major. So I understand why he waggles so much. Because it's he's not. I mean, it takes a long time to get comfortable for him in a final round when he's ahead. It's nerves too, man. It's nerves, yeah, I mean, and it takes a lot of discipline to have that where you you're not going to swing until you feel comfortable because for most part, like I play pretty quick I know you guys play pretty quick we just hit the fucking ball and see where it goes right, but in the final round, in the major, when you have a six-shot lead, like your nerves are going.
Michael:Has he won a major before this first one? No, no, he's only won like one time.
Joe:Yeah, One like once in like 2016,. I think.
Chris:Yeah, the greatest thing is he's like five, six bro, like he's a he's yeah, and he was, and he was bombing him, dude, and it's like man he was. He was locked and loaded and ready to go.
Michael:I heard one of the interviews.
Chris:He mentioned that someone asked what fueled him or something. I don't know if it was a third or the fourth round, but somebody in the gallery somebody in the gallery said you're not built for this Like yeah, you don't have the stones for this.
Joe:That's what it was.
Chris:You don't have the stones for this and he's like that. Just set me off, I'm like man. Imagine running into that guy, though, like dude, yeah, I buy him a drink and be like I'm gonna honestly, yeah, yeah, you're a piece of shit, but you're the reason I just did this. Yeah, well, he said it, he said it fueled him?
Joe:Yeah, I feel it. So are you guys going out to buy that OG Taylor made spider putter that he has, or what? That little griddle, that little griddle cooker, the?
Chris:pink saucer. Hey, but let's be honest, let's be real. When, when, when everybody was using that birth couple about a month ago, everybody was looking for it too, though. Yeah, versa putter.
Joe:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chris:That thing went up to like 1200 blocks.
Michael:dude Kudos to all those people that I'm sold before. They were like, yeah, we're releasing these, I'm good yeah.
Joe:So, fyi, we have we. I think we have one person in the chat. Currently it's a, a, a, a, a. Oh wow, mikey B is in here. He ditched me a few weeks ago when I was there One twice. This was his third. Oh, he's talking about Harman, so Harman has one twice and open as his third, but it sounds like Mikey Bouschino McJeezy ditched a Rick Greenley. Damn what an asshole this guy is.
Michael:And I, I like I edged him too. You know, I was like oh, what time is everybody meeting?
Joe:And now and now time out like have you listened to his episodes of Jason Daly podcast.
Michael:I haven't yet.
Joe:No, this dick.
Chris:I think I right.
Joe:Yeah, it is yeah, and you didn't even come to the bar.
Michael:Yeah, you were there, I know first time I ever been there. That's why I said I edged him until I was like, yeah, I'm not coming, damn no that's all, eric.
Joe:I got your, I got your review journal. I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw it in. Baggy at some point and I'll get it to you.
Michael:I don't hate you, eric, I love you. Man. Hey, but shots of barcode burgers. That places fucking bomb.
Joe:It's really good man, it is really good, and everything that Mike just said it could be wrapped up on the word on his hat. So no, not not including barcode burgers, all right, so when do we go from here? I mean, we talked the open championship. I mean Brian Harmon won, which was which was a bit of a shocker to me. I had Fleetwood, I don't remember who.
Michael:I actually was. I was kind of hoping that camp Smith was gonna come through and do it again.
Joe:Yeah, I never saw that coming. But that's a thing is like with these majors you never know who's fucking gonna come out the woodworks.
Michael:Yeah.
Joe:And cam Smith is playing really well.
Chris:I was.
Joe:I know what is off good, I was really rooting for Tommy Fleetwood, like. Yeah right there and he just he just stuck, even like the whole time, he just he just played the course, you know he's another one with no major huh. No, he has. Like he doesn't have any wins on PGA, he's got maybe. I know he has one win on DP, maybe two or three, I don't know how many wins.
Michael:He has a crazy because he's coming oh that because I don't like those announcers.
Joe:But no wins on PGA. He usually fat, he usually falls out on the final rounds, but he was right there and he just. I Know we were playing the VGN tournament, so yeah. Honestly probably one of the greatest wings on PGA and Like just seems like such a good dude man Like you got you got the flow, like that dude probably surfs.
Michael:So he's chill.
Joe:You know he probably, he probably enjoys a good fish taco and I'm down for that, you know. So I wanted to see him win. He's been playing really well lately and I would have loved to see him squeak it out, but Brian Harman's fucking fat putter griddles case she just did it and that's what came down to him.
Chris:Yeah, he was clutch man. I think he played the best game, obviously did. But it's just, he was, I mean, and his confidence was through the roof. Dude Like yeah, you're like, okay, he's got it no, how about a?
Joe:you see, shane Lowry snapped the glove over his neck, oh no, no way. He was just walking, yeah, and just, I mean he didn't like fucking force it, but he, you know, pushed through a snap to club and I was thinking about that. I forget who I was talking to this past weekend, but the Shane Lowry win at the open was Such a good win, like that was it. That was that's a, that's a. Oh, I mean we're, we're fairly new to golf. I mean Chris is, like born in 1943. So you see, Me and. Mike just started recently. Me and Chris are the same age. We're talking golf age. But you know that the Shane Lowry win like for him to win at poor royal Port Rush in Ireland like the joy on his face was. Like that's one that I Story. I remember that one, that one cemented, you know, and to see him snap a club across his neck was like, yeah, you, you had the feeling at some point, you know so, but you just, it just makes you want it more.
Chris:No for sure, and then it's, it's fun. I look at Shane Larry and I think of you, know all the Brits member beef, remember big beef back.
Joe:Yeah, yeah, yeah, disappeared bro, Just.
Michael:Injured. I thought I don't know what happened? Back injury.
Chris:But beef was everywhere. I think he's Was cool, that you probably open up Italian beef spush. Hey guy, you got his teeth done and walked away bro.
Joe:Saving up his whole career to get the yeah, fix man, yeah, but as far as open championships, I feel like it was a little lackluster. You know, obviously one a little bit more excitement, a little more drama, more of a story no to run with. I think a great story was the Fitzpatrick brothers. That was a really good one. Oh, yeah, yeah yeah, I think Alec Fitzpatrick is Alec or Alex, but I think he beat his brother Matt, so who is a major winner, which was great to see. But yeah, it was good. It was a good weekend. I would have watched a lot more if it wasn't for the VGN tournament, but on Thursday night, better believe, I was up 10, 30 till 3 am and I woke up a lot more.
Chris:It's it's always the first day where I'm like fuck it you know, fuck work, fuck it, it's a major, and then you get to work all tired and then the next day you're like uh, I gotta go to sleep. But, did you guys did you guys catch the barracuda? I watched a little bit. Okay, so now we got two lefties that won on the same weekend.
Michael:Yes, yeah.
Joe:Yeah, forget his name. He's got actually actually, but yeah, he's sick to in a playoff against Patrick.
Michael:Yeah, I was first.
Joe:Well, he won in Puerto Rico. But yeah, but who was that? That was cornfairy, that was cornfairy. Okay, that was cornfairy.
Michael:But also who counts? The Puerto Riga.
Joe:Do that against Puerto.
Michael:Rico, just like. That tournament is always kind of like yeah, that's it.
Joe:Yeah, yeah, there you go. But actually I mean, dude, dude's got a great swing like a gankist student which, uh, matt wolf, is now on live tour. But yeah, dude powers through. I've been a fan of axias since I've watched him coming up.
Michael:Yeah, dude, you got me it's crazy.
Chris:It's crazy, it was a little thin twig man.
Joe:But dude beats it.
Chris:It was gankist guys that train under gank as they have that unusual swing and it's yeah, it's interesting. They they use a lot of their power, so you know it's insane.
Joe:Yeah, and also students of gank is on the live tour. Get beat up by their team captains. Stop being a bitch, yeah.
Chris:Stop fucking figure it out, bro, yeah stop being a bitch, come on, damn, I'm actually not telling you that, bro. That's like good. Yeah, I mean I'm out of here Peace.
Joe:just when I was like liking Brooks a little bit more after the the uh pj on uh netflix and then he does that shit like dude. I used to love matt wolf dude. He came out of nowhere yeah in the tournament?
Michael:Was it travelers?
Joe:or I think it was travelers, but anyway, when he made that eagle to beat Bryson Like dude. Matt wolf is a good guy and we also. We all know that he struggles with a little mental health, I mean, and he was a young, young phenom and golf and he came out one and I mean I do it in, he was like the most popular golfer when he came out like immediately he was big time, I mean it was. Do you remember it was it was? It was matt wolf, victor hovelin and colombo. They all came out at the same time and matt wolf came out with win in his. Third start or something like that.
Michael:No, between the wind and that swing in his. It was like yo who is this guy.
Joe:Yeah, I remember that I'm meditating and shit.
Chris:Yeah, I remember the putt he made when he beat moracala and that's what blew him up. That took him to the new places. But I think what happened after that, that's when moracala really shined right Moracala on pgh Amitya and I had money on him on that tournament sword man, that guy he's I think he's a vagus local now too right.
Joe:Yeah, he plays up at summer or summit. That's wild. But I had, I had moracala on that. Pgh Amitya 80 to 1, 10 bucks, 800 bucks. That's why I have my putter. So, I call in, come on the podcast. That would be sick, that that would be cool. So, yeah, that that's the open championship. I mean it was, it was a good one. Obviously, shut out brian harman. Um, I would have loved it. It'd be a little more exciting, um, but you know that's. That's the final major of the year. Now we have to wait till fucking april next year and I don't know about you guys, but I did get rejected for my tickets next year. I guess put in for those. But everybody's getting their rejection letters, their annual rejection letters currently.
Michael:I think I saw three today.
Chris:Yeah, you guys should frame those dude. That's actually kind of cool, right, Just framed like I was rejected in 20 yeah.
Joe:I was rejected when tiger one in 2019.
Michael:You should just dedicate like a whole wall to every rejection letter.
Joe:Just make a wallpaper out of it Like it could be like new phenom.
Michael:I bet you, if you did that though, take a you know, kept your letter for you know, whatever the next 15 years, whatever the hell it is, and you put them on the wall and post that, I bet you gotta get you an acceptance letter. Imagine.
Joe:Do it and like what, like how? How does these fuckers Like figure it out? Like is it? Is it like random lottery or it's gotta be? Are they checking?
Chris:ip addresses. I think I think they're checking ip addresses, I think they're.
Joe:I mean, you gotta think like bill gates is a member there, like he's got taps into the ip addresses of these people.
Michael:Oh, that's true.
Chris:They're checking your lineage bro, that's what they're checking.
Joe:Yeah, yeah, that's what they're trying to make sure you ain't never had a bit of a taco in your life, you know, you know, so iron in, but yeah, hopefully one day. I've heard on average I don't I saw it somewhere, I don't know, but it on average I. This might be fucking fake, I don't know. I might be pulling this out of my ass, but I never just takes 15 years to get accepted to for tickets.
Michael:That's crazy.
Joe:I feel like I might have saw them on twitter or some fucking reddit.
Chris:Who knows, Could be a lot but we got a comment, someone asking what I'm drinking. You want to know what I'm drinking. I'll tell you what I'm drinking.
Michael:Yeah, chris, what's your drinking dog?
Chris:I'm drinking hydration powder. That's what I'm drinking. Oh, what a guy, what a guy, what a guy he's, he's gonna go out to the wife shout out to the wine.
Joe:No wine tonight. It's funny if you look at the wine tonight for your first uh Visit to the cd.
Chris:You know what I'm gonna pop something? I got wine, I got tequila I think I might do some tequila there and that's that's what I like to hear.
Michael:That's what I like to hear yeah, so I got.
Joe:do you have tequila, or is this?
Michael:I'm sure I do, yeah, I know I.
Joe:That's why that's I know.
Michael:I. That's probably the only alcohol I do have in the house.
Joe:I do have IPA, but this is a backup just in.
Chris:For for air hydration. That's hydration. It's got electrolytes like Eric taught me it has electrolytes.
Joe:So that's, that's I. I literally bought a 12 pound. Get happy dad, just because I saw Eric that day. Hey dude, I'm a fan, bro, I'm a fan.
Chris:They're good I feel like they blew up out of nowhere. I think it might be the best like celtzer, you can get, it is and you did, you compound it. When you play golf and yeah, you'll feel the buzz, but it's nothing.
Michael:But this is that's what I was gonna ask, because every celtzer I've had, except for, oh my god, me and Eric had some nasty shit one time in New York, new York, but uh, every celtzer I've had. I just I never feel anything. I just really, I'm just drinking celtzer water like expensive.
Joe:I need like. I need like five or six, so I can't yeah six back at you.
Chris:Yeah it'll get you it'll get to that perfect level, right, you'll hit.
Michael:Your wedge is nice and I mean, I feel like, I feel like if you just throw tequila with some celtzer water, you good, yeah, yeah.
Joe:Speaking of like, so do you guys actually drink on the course like on a typical day? Do you drink on the course?
Michael:dude Late in everyone's very back and forth. Yeah, I mean I I usually will and I've gotten especially planted like Robbie and stuff. We do the the shot after every dirty um. But the thing is, that kind of messes me up is like I'm at the point now where my golf game where, like dude, I've been playing pretty well so I'm going to go on back and forth. It's a little bit of like yo I could shoot an 85 today or it might be a 105, but if I start taking those shots it's definitely gonna we're gonna be closer to the 105. So I'm starting to get to the point where I'm like yo do I want to try to get this pb or it won't have a good time. You know, I gotta figure that out before I start drinking.
Joe:Yeah, that's fair. I'm gonna you, chris? I mean I know you're a Miller like guy.
Chris:I'm a fucking Miller like all day long baby.
Joe:So and every time? Do you do it every time?
Chris:Well, if it's if it's early morning like that. One time you and I teed up at two in the morning.
Joe:Remember that I don't know it was 6 am. Bro, like chill.
Chris:Um, if it's anytime past eight, I'm gonna knock out another light. So yeah, that's me.
Joe:Speaking of 2 am, tea time, I saw like I don't know where I saw, but I think I got like an email from like a reddit, like link kind of situation, and it was some guy asking about For recommendations on night optic goggles because he has like Three kids and he doesn't have enough time to play golf but he's a member of the golf course that he lives next to and he's like I can only tee off between 11 pm and 2 am, so I need recommendations on night vision goggles so I can play golf.
Chris:Hey, that's genius, dude, that is genius. That is super smart, bro, because you can see the ball, bro, like you'll find thousands of balls out there. Dude, that guy's gonna make millions, he better.
Michael:Yeah.
Joe:I think it might have been a zire golf post or something like that but man, I was like wow, I never even fucking thought about that.
Michael:No one's thought of that. No one has wow.
Joe:And he's like and and shout out to him. He's like I fixed my divots, I fixed my ball marks. Yeah, I know that I know there's no one in the clubhouse, but I'm taking care of the course because it's my club and I just want it. I just want wrecks on night vision goggles.
Chris:I'm with it, bro.
Michael:But now I'm also thinking of, like you know, all right, let's grasp my night vision goggles. You know, what courses can we get into without anybody noticing?
Joe:Hop offensive shadow, hop offensive wind, like where we going, bro Summon.
Chris:You catch man. You catch man. Southern hounds, bro, I mean dude, you know what's annoying is why I mean granted, all right.
Michael:The course I'm about to say was when you just said it was wind. But why isn't there like we should have? Like? If there's a course that's gonna be lit, winds should be lit. It should be a 24 hour freaking course.
Joe:I would disagree with that. So I think I think the only lit course, only viable options for lit courses and we've talked about this a little bit I think desert prines is a good spot to be lit because all the coals are very close together. I think another one, that would do very well but it would be way too expensive is valley high.
Chris:Yeah oh, I think, and yeah, like all right, I mean I gotta touch on that I gotta touch on that.
Joe:Let me finish this real quick. So valley high is is 180 dollars all the time. Right, yeah, it's gonna go to 250. But Mike, me and Mike played wind golf club with our homie Ryan, who is now in Washington. We played it during the pandemic at 250. Do you know how much it is now?
Michael:Is way water. I'm granted water.
Joe:It's 750 dollars. Is there still?
Michael:is there still local? Because I remember they kept that little like no, it's done, it's toast.
Joe:Yeah, it's toast Adam, and I think adam and reed hit them up and it's 750 because, you gotta understand, they had the match out there with the, the cubies, and then, yeah, or is it two times with the quarterback.
Michael:They've done it a few times now there gentlemen, yeah, here we go, yeah there you go Miller light in the game so.
Joe:I think, when is the one that is completely out of the market? Because that's gonna be, that's gonna be fine.
Michael:Oh no, that's that's what I was saying, though, like it would be out of the market. But I'm saying like why isn't it though?
Joe:You know, I'm saying, you're already surrounded by because all those guys are eating, fucking, drinking fancy wine and fillets at that point that can afford it.
Michael:So but we need I need lit courses out here.
Joe:Desert pines. Throw up, throw up fucking lights at desert pines and there's a DP.
Michael:I thought desert pines was about to get taken away.
Joe:Well, that's, that's the situation. That's fucked up, yeah, but but it would be easy, because everything's so tightly knit that it wouldn't take as many lights as, like a say.
Michael:Yeah, I got you or something like that anywhere else there bro, that's if they lit up desert pines.
Chris:That would be just about 100%.
Joe:I love desert pines.
Chris:A lot of people hate it.
Joe:Yeah, I'm a fan of desert pines myself and you're the first person that I've had that we've had on this podcast. I love those pines too.
Michael:I'm going to like it, but it's grown to like it Okay. I have.
Chris:Yeah, I hated it a lot, but you know we need, we definitely need a lit. I mean, imagine just nine holes. But like, yeah, with a, with maybe one part five, a couple part fours, dude.
Michael:I've actually I mean, joe knows I've had this like stupid ass theory for a course out here Just nine holes, but the whole thing is like a top golf thing, right, so there is no grass, it's all just like whatever felt Matt stuff they put out there and it's all netted so like Anybody trying to get into golf and come play. But like the cool thing would be like you can't hit out of bounds, like have everything slope back to a fairway. You know what I mean. Like it'll all be like kind of bumper, you know yeah, like learner situation. Yeah, but on the same tip though as, like a golfer, you can make it 24, seven, because it's Vegas, baby, and you light it up. And then the guys that are like us, who like yo okay, maybe it's three in the morning, so you know I can't sleep, I should go play and you just get up. You can still go play, get a couple of five, like to. You know, two part fives, a couple of fours apart. Couple Part three is called a day to be six freaking holes.
Chris:Hey, bro, put it right down, sloan, right down the south 100% right next to the fucking go-karts, bro.
Joe:Yeah, right there, it's like a two-deal.
Chris:It's crazy to see what's happening as far as all the simulation golf places out here in Vegas.
Joe:Yeah, there's another one coming up on st Rosa's. That was the golf spot the golf stop, golf stop.
Michael:Yeah, what is this one?
Joe:I think we're gonna. We're gonna get them on the podcast here soon. I think they're planning on opening in September, matt. Matt would probably know a little bit more than me, but is it like a simulator? Yeah, I got like four bays or something like that. Yeah, and it's all membership based.
Chris:Yeah, it looks really cool. I actually passed by there a month ago. I'm like wait a minute. What's this? The golf stop? I'm like check it out. It's right next to a the broken yoke on st Rose by the Costco.
Joe:And then we got, and then chip shots should be open in soon too, which is, yeah, another like private members. Like it's, it's Insane, how crazy golf is exploded in Vegas. Yeah, like I mean, mike knows when I started playing golf, like I think it's, it's like Exactly five years ago, and five years ago it I don't even know how I fucking I got into it, because, ryan, but right, it has fucking Exploded. Man, it's crazy, it's fucking nuts.
Michael:I mean you could you dude, you can go just off of tea times when you got me, yeah, yeah. I think the average tea time was like 40 bucks, maybe like 60 bucks on a high-end, I remember telling you like, well, I want to go play a pipe this weekend.
Joe:Are you down? It's $70 like yeah, like Ryan's not gonna play that, not Ryan's not gonna pay $70 for a tea time. Are you down? It's kind of expensive. I remember like yeah really saying that to you, and now that's, that's like average.
Chris:Yeah, Dude it's crazy, it's, it's wild. Somebody just played on a Thursday at Rose and it was like I think it was 70 bucks. I might do trip $55 three years ago.
Joe:Yeah, it's like the high-end see, yeah, 2013, 2014.
Chris:I Used to get at Revere for 19 bucks after 2 pm Bro, like I would come in to visit my wife. We're dating at the time. We're doing like wow.
Joe:Yeah, that tells these these historic biblical moments and it's amazing.
Chris:Yeah, I think he he just posted like the old-school Revere logo ball tales. I do that's dope. I remember Revere was so cheap back in the day.
Michael:That's crazy.
Chris:Them days are gone.
Michael:They are actually Joe thinking about something right now. I just saw this on my desk. Do we still get I?
Joe:Don't know, I still have mine too. So, yeah, I mean me, me and Mike and santo, who is back in town, if you didn't know. We used to be able to play TPC Las Vegas for $40 as a walk-on. I.
Chris:Remember you had mentioned that in the one of some podcasts, right?
Joe:Yeah, so I mean, we, we could try that we can call them up. We could try, because I still have my ID too.
Michael:I'm curious, man, because I it's probably like 80 now.
Chris:I mean I don't so in this day. I think the cheapest place you can get on if you want to play Twilight for 25 bucks Is the club at sunrise. So a lot of people hate it. I don't mind it, I actually really enjoy.
Michael:Oh yeah.
Joe:To me. To me, the greatest deal in you in town that you can get is Las Vegas National, because they have held true. It's like it was $50 four years ago and I think it's like 60 now, like it's the best.
Chris:My bar national by far, is my favorite clubhouse to go hang out at. Yeah, if I'm ever do like let's use this.
Joe:Let's use this opportunity to also dive into your Affinity for classic golf. Oh, here it is.
Chris:So obviously, the national being one of my favorites. It's crazy because three dollar beers at the bar can't beat that. Yeah, and you got the little old lady. When you go get there do ten dollar burgers. She what she does because she's a little older, right, so she's kind of got like a little hip issue. They sit down and she asked what do you want to drink? I'm like, let me get a water. So it's just bring you a pitcher water and a pitcher soda so she doesn't have to come back and forth. Sweetest lady ever did. And yeah, it's, that's my place. I love hanging out there. The practice facility is amazing.
Joe:I love national man. When I started playing, I started out at Desert Willow. Of course, that's where my buddy took me for the first time, and I was playing there every fucking Saturday at 6 am. I was booking the tea time like 14 days in advance, just so I can get my fix in, and then I ventured off. The wild horse Shout out Darden, darden's gardens.
Michael:I don't know, public knowledge. Yet I just heard that Darden is moving to the ancient part. Oh really Wow. Yeah, I don't know man might have to cut that part out. I don't know how knowledgeable that is.
Joe:Yeah, don't, don't take that into fruition yet. But yeah. I will text Darden and I will find out and we'll probably maybe me announce it on the next dude. He's done great things out there, man Darden's great dude and he is really transformed wild horse. I love wild horse. A lot of people dislike it, but I think it's. It's firm, fast and I think it's how it should be Fantastic spot.
Michael:If you want to feel good about your game, go to wild horse all day long and if you and if you want to challenge, play the tips From wild horse, then you'll feel the opposite of wild horse.
Joe:I.
Chris:Love wild horse. You know I love is at the range a lot. I don't know people notice. So if you get a bucket of balls for 10 bucks, they'll give you a sleeve of Whatever balls are trying to get rid of. So they'll do like strips on balls. Yes. Oh, I didn't know that, yeah every Friday after two you show up and you get a free sleeve of balls with a bucket. So it's kind of it's pretty cool.
Joe:That's a little problem they got. I did not know that, but yeah, so I was. I was playing wild horse all the time and then obviously the next closest and price range was Las Vegas National. So I started cutting my teeth there and that place is Filled with history. Oh yeah, they have the little golf hall of fame thing there and, you know, casino house. I mean, that place is just, it's completely different from a lot of places that we have here.
Michael:Yeah, it's not, it's not a desert golf course, so it's kind of a skate for us that live kind of grass and trees. It's nice.
Chris:It's a legit. It's a legit blast from the past right. Yeah word blaster the past. It really is, because it's a brain-fraser, bro.
Joe:It's a. It's a brain-fraser.
Chris:That's insane. You've seen that movie, because we're talking about blaster in the past.
Joe:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a brain and Frazier man, I mean it's, it's great. Yeah, it's the BF baby.
Chris:No, but it's a great.
Joe:Department. It's, it's cool man, I love it there. So where did, where did where did this situation with you, with these classic hats and these Classic moments? I mean, obviously you're a fan of nation golf and and and you are a Tropic ambassador, and where did this ship begin for you?
Chris:For me as far as the. So you know, when I first got into it, you know I was rocking the dry fit stuff. You know Nike all day long when I was first getting the game yes, I think everybody was right. And you know, some people still play and I mean I don't have a problem with it, right?
Michael:You talking about me, bro, you know never.
Chris:No, you fly as fucking it. I saw that angel park video and I do tonight and I got I remember I bought all the stuff that Obviously the tiger stuff, but I want to say it was like around 2018, 2019. I Would watch the Dean Martin bit movie, the catty. You know that movie I've never seen it.
Joe:Oh, you got to watch it 1959.
Chris:It's old I don't know what year was, but it's gotta be 50 some movie called the caddy? It's a movie called the caddy. It's a golf movie. It's a golf movie.
Michael:How about now Not?
Joe:heard of this but yes, so it doesn't come up when you type in golf movie on anything. So because I've done that everywhere, type it.
Chris:type in the, not typing the caddy, yeah.
Joe:Yeah now I'm gonna type in the caddy yes.
Chris:Oh, and it's Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis and Jerry Lewis, so it's so you would see this stuff you wore and I do that stuff with the supply, right? So then at the time I was really into looking at Seve by a sterile's videos, right yeah it's a heavy fucking magic hands bro.
Joe:Magic hands and what that's where the wax perforin wax came from and the nail salon shops Seve created it. Oh, are you serious?
Chris:No, oh, you said it's so legit. No, but it was watching him what he would wear, that he'd wear the old slasinger stuff, right. And if you, if you watch, I forget what James Bond movie was, but when he's playing Goldfinger, did you guys ever see that?
Michael:Yeah.
Joe:I've seen it. I don't recall it, but I so look at, look at what he's wearing the hat.
Chris:So that's kind of where it started. And then one day I just found an old-school hat and I just started rocking them and I mean this one's, this one's pretty pure, this one's from, I think, the 80s yeah, dog, and it's clean.
Joe:So that's OG national.
Michael:Second or third time I ever like actually met up with Chris and person. I like I pull them. So I'm like yo dude, what the fuck man, where do you get these hats from? They're like in perfect shape, from like they're all old school. They all look legit. I don't know if they all are like they're all legit.
Chris:They're all legit and I low ball the shit out of the people selling it.
Michael:Dude you crazy.
Chris:I just picked another one up.
Michael:Fuckin' no way.
Chris:She might yell at me. She might yell at me, but I picked another one up, hehehehe. Um, I actually have an 80s angel park one. Honestly, I just you know I'm. And then I recently found a some head of covers from the Help me out here.
Joe:Yes, from the Las Vegas Invitational.
Chris:Las Vegas Invitational. I found those that man. They were pretty much brand new, it's up there.
Joe:I took it off because they're so fucking hot in the sun.
Chris:It gets hot, it gets really hot. Yeah, that's it, man. I just, I just love it. I think it's something that More people should. You know. Remember how insane it was. I mean, look at Casino, the movie right, it was from the 90s, but look at the way they made him dress when they played. Yeah, right, mm-hmm. It was just a statement that people made when we went out and played, and there's a lot of guys that dress that vintage stuff. I'm not one of the guys that wears like the knickers. That's a little different.
Michael:No, thanks Not my thing.
Joe:So yeah, shut up, trevor, trevor Laval, fucking Laval, I fucking he's. That's not his real name, but he runs the Sunday skins games and we did like a two-man match playing. He was like he. He gave he runs the league and he gave himself best dressed because he was rocking knickers. I.
Chris:Told him I want to see the balance yeah. Cuz, so he presented himself. The award is always.
Joe:Basically. Yeah, oh, hey, I love it. It's a fucking, you know. But yeah, I thank you, chris. I know I've said it on the podcast before, but the head cover that gave me. Oh yeah absolutely no shit is incredible Las Vegas Invitational. But yeah, I, and I want to use this moment to just give a shout out because we don't do the Look at this Instagram anymore. But for anybody looking for like classic hats Instagram, shout out howl and one H-O-W-L, i-n-o-n-e, dude post some fucking sick hats. And you might not want to dig into the Goodwill bins like Chris is, but Howlin, one has some good stuff out there and I'm giving a face right now. Yeah, I know, I know you follow him, so he's got he. He posts some good shit and he, he's up there. He's open there in the northeast area and he finds some good stuff.
Chris:I post it. I made that little face because he posted a Trevino hat a couple weeks ago and I missed it by one.
Michael:I said one duffler.
Chris:No, I missed it by some guy some guy Put his reservation in for it, so he's a bro. You just missed it, dude. I was so pissed on my bro Come on.
Michael:I want this.
Chris:You're so bad, I'll pay more for it. He's like but it was pristine, it was a black one, it was a sick one. Yeah, he finds a lot of travino stuff.
Joe:I think. I think travino is probably one of the dopest Players that doesn't get enough recognition like one hundred. I think. I think he should have a funko pop. Yeah, he, she does he doesn't have a funko pop like it's, he does one. So I have, I have like tiger and jack, I I've said before, like I got a tiger and Palmer. I want I, or yeah, I think I got Jack, tiger and Palmer.
Chris:So I got tiger, I got Ty Webb, I got the judge. Yeah, yeah, I got. And then I got a.
Joe:I got a Sean camp oh shit. This is not a basketball podcast, but I think I would literally love to see only trivino funko pop, because I would be heart beat. I think you know is One of the greatest characters in golf that there's. That's it in, and he's still around today, like just sharing knowledge and talking to players on ranges. We see videos of it all the time. Like Trivino was a fucking G bro, but and I guarantee you that, that I would love to go to his backyard barbecue and eat some fucking carne asaba you know I'm saying he's uh Probably the one of the biggest characters in golf, I mean to this day and and slightly fucking non-recognized, Unfortunately you know, I think he's kind of slept on he's super slept on and just the stuff he talks about.
Chris:He even has a brand out. You know the super max stuff.
Joe:Yeah, so did you find that out? I know we talked about recently, so is he part of that, do you know?
Chris:I just caught one that he is part of it right. And so you see all those yeah their catalog has his stuff now like they take photos with him, so he's definitely in it.
Joe:Another look at this Instagram situation super max golf, super max golf, is that more?
Chris:but check that out. They got some good stuff. I bought a hat from them. It's not bad, it's imperial. It's an imperial hat. Yeah, I just got a big-ass head, so I got a wife.
Michael:No, that's cool. The other thing, too, is like he's like a legend, so like he should be, like he should be. I don't know they should use them more for Anything, you know. I mean any tournaments that need a little face.
Chris:Well, he's always in that, that big one, the father and son one.
Michael:I always can see, yeah.
Chris:He makes it pretty far, but the dailies just take everybody. Yeah, so yeah.
Joe:Charlie the woods the woods.
Chris:Oh yeah, I forgot about Charlie come on the woods man.
Michael:Don't sleep on the woods and he's having a little ghost birth, so he's about to be pounding the ball to.
Joe:He's fucking. He's gonna beat it soon, bro. Yeah, like do you. And speaking of Charlie, do do you think that we see him on PGA? I know you've talked about this before 100% percent.
Michael:No unless he gets into like some other sport or something else that he really loves in life, I don't think there's a chance you don't see him on PG.
Joe:It's right, and do you?
Michael:do you think he that?
Joe:do you think that he feels like he has to or do you think that it is? Is passion, because we passion this before I.
Chris:Think you can see it. You can see it, man, there's a kid, but you know he's got the shadow being under his.
Michael:He does, yeah, big shot, but the thing is I think that he has from his dad is I think he has that cockiness of like yo, if you go out there and you know you're gonna be great, like you're a woods, it's in your blood, like you're gonna go out there and it's gonna be great. I think he has a little bit of that. So, where the fact is like to be honest, I mean this could be talking straight out of the side of my neck, but he could probably go out there and give Tiger run for his money in it. As it's like you know, I'm just Cuz if he's already got that that, I don't give a fuck attitude. And he has the talent. And you got one of you know, arguably the greatest golfer ever as your dad who can get you the right coaches and teach you the right things. No, there ain't nothing in the stop you, except for ladies.
Joe:He has, he has everything under disposable. Disposal you know. So I think, for me it's like does he have the passion? I Think I think he has a passion.
Chris:I think he has a passion. And the crazy thing about Charlie if you look at him, he's built. He's not built like his dad, he's like no, he's like a compact version. Bro. It's weird yeah and he's gonna. He's gonna be a muscle, though. Yeah, you guys, remember that you have C-Flighter Sean shirk the shark, he's got that, like he's got that little muscle to him yeah, yeah.
Joe:Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see.
Chris:I Mean, I'm excited to see him right, Because it would. It would essentially be him and daily junior and daily yeah.
Joe:Yeah, I forgot about Junior. That would be sick. That kid beats it, I mean yeah see, do you think daily makes it to PGA? I Think so.
Chris:I. So here's my thing I think he does make it if he stops. If he stops doing all those YouTube good, good videos, and he actually so you're not a good good videos. No, no, no, no. My huge fan, but I feel like people like you got to get out of grind, Do I mean it's yeah?
Michael:those are the problems, who that comes in and I think this might be a problem that we're gonna see for professional sports in the future as well, with like the nil deals and stuff is, the problem is, when You're that good on YouTube or like in college, you know on lower athletics like you're already able to get paid so many millions of dollars and it makes you kind of wonder, like well, if I'm making 10 million dollars a year on YouTube, do I really need to go play professionally Like do you give a fuck. That's true, yeah, yeah, because if you're just think about this like having to go play in the PGA tour and grind it out and the people don't realize like PGA tour doesn't consist of. Just like you know you're playing over the weekend, you know it's usually like some thing you got to do on the Mondays you know what I mean. A meeting on whatever other days, you know fan meetups, whatever practice rounds, training all that goes in like your whole week is taking up which turns into months. It could be almost half your year of just grinding right.
Chris:Yeah.
Michael:Or you're making millions of dollars traveling to the course you want to go play and just filming it for YouTube. It kind of you kind of get like what do you want out of this life, you know?
Chris:Well, I think it's. I mean, yeah, that's a great point, because it's kind of like who made a comment about it? Michael Jordan will go to basketball. He made a comment about the new players getting these 20, 30 million dollar deals and they haven't even played two seasons, you know what? I'm saying, like the money's already there, dude, where is the urgency for them to grind and really play?
Michael:Yeah, right.
Chris:So I think that's kind of what's happening, because, look at them, there was one of those good, good tournaments, like there's a difference between those guys which are considered pros and a. Pga player. There's a huge difference. I think he smacked one into the gallery on a drive.
Michael:Yeah, yeah, yeah, gary. Somebody got hurt.
Chris:Yeah, yeah, yeah, just like yeah, that's where people don't need to understand. There's a huge difference. Like everyone's praising Curry, hell go player, but they're saying he can make it to the PGA tour Like come on dude?
Joe:I don't think so, bro. Like it takes all your time, like you gotta understand. These guys are playing in a final round Sunday. They're flying out Monday morning, they're playing nine holes, then they're playing nine holes again on Tuesday, and then they're playing a pro am and then they're they're grinding for 72 holes. Like you know, it takes a lot of fucking time and a lot of dedication. And I think I was talking to Chris Perez, who, who listens to this podcast, who I play with both rounds this weekend because we were both in last place Shout out, chris, love that dude. But it's like these guys know after they hit it that it went 51 yards or it went 143, or you know, and they got those videos out on golf digest I think it's golf digest but it's like Scottie Schaeffler will hit it. He's like, oh, I didn't quite get that one. Yeah, shooting for 145. He's like that's going to be 139. And it ends up being 139.6. Like, yeah, this is all these guys do you know? Like, if, if, if, you're asking me to set up a decimator and run some SDI, I know how many feet it's gonna take and Mike can relate to that, or if you're trying to attract someone for a fucking mortgage loan, like you know, hit up community access landing, you know that's. That's what it is.
Chris:Famous play. Yeah so, but yeah, like I mean more power to Korea. Obviously, he's a hell of a player.
Joe:And he, he that last putt for his, for his win, and up into all of here a few putts that were crazy up there too. He needed to make Eagle to win right.
Michael:Yeah, and drop like a 20 footer, yes, yeah. And he's a winner like to go along with the whole basketball trope right now is here we go. Perfect no, the perfect example of like how hard it is, though. Michael Jordan played every day that he could while he was playing basketball, and then retired. I only imagine he played three times a day. And he's still there's no way Jordan would have ever made the PGA tour, and that goes to show you you know that's somebody that has dedication, has the grind and knows what it takes as a professional to do it. It just goes to show you how hard the game is.
Chris:Yeah, it's. Just don't discredit the people that have been grinding forever. That's why, they're out there, like, look at like.
Michael:Jason.
Chris:Day man. Look at Jason Day, the struggles that he's been going through. He's got a big old bus for his family Granted he has. He can do that right.
Joe:Yeah, totally, but it's just like he's grinding to day and night, every day, just just to get out of a fucking hole, like Ricky Fowler recently, like he was in a fucking hole, like and he came out of the hole. I mean, jt is currently in a hole as they consider it. But he wanted. He won a major last year and it's like these guys are fortunate enough to have a shit ton of money and be able to have sponsors and things like that to where they are able to put the work in, to dig out of that hole Like if it's something we wanted to do no fucking chance.
Chris:All right.
Joe:I got a surprise guest coming in, mr A, a, a, a, a, a, a A, rick Greenlee in the house.
Chris:What's up, man?
Joe:Coming live from Barcode Burgers. So, eric, welcome to the show. You've been on Wind Dots at home. I don't know if he gave you any keys under the mat recently. I left one for you, if you don't know, chris. Chris is here Is that man Chris. Torres. This is Eric Greenlee. I know you know fucking Trashcan Matt and I know you know me, so welcome to the show. Cheers. You got any comments on anything we've mentioned Since, because I know you are a hot take pipe type of person.
Michael:He's a hot taking pipe.
Joe:I'm drinking the happy dad too. I got you a screenshot.
Michael:That's your thumbnail.
Chris:There you go.
Joe:Which last time you were on you said you were going to punch me in the face, and you did not. Last time I saw you, so thank you for that.
Michael:I might have saved you. He was so mad at me. He was so mad at me that he just he didn't take the aggression out on me. We got lucky.
Joe:All right, we're not turning this into the Mike and Eric show. Eric any comments on the recent comments that we've talked about Open Jam? Is you have anything like that? Yeah, yeah, it's my opinion to say, and to it so so, yes, yes, yeah, I didn't even think about that. But yeah, yep, yeah, yeah, he's like 54th in distance or something, something crazy. Yeah, yep, yes, yes.
Michael:Yep.
Joe:Yeah, I didn't think about the distance situation Respect.
Chris:That's the way.
Joe:I think about that. I did see a stat about him being like super deep in the distance category and it's about making putts man, it really is.
Chris:Oh happy dad. Is that the death row one?
Joe:Yeah, there it is, boom. Eric hangs out with a chug all the time.
Chris:Right on.
Joe:Oh Well, I mean, I don't know what we were talking about before Eric Greenlee jumped on because he fucking just shut up as a shadow in the cast of the clouds. So I said I said you can come on if you want, I didn't invite you. I said, if you want to, you can jump on. And I can't wait for you to punch me in my throat next time I see you. Well, I mean, we've been going for like an hour, which is 30 more minutes than I thought we were going to, so hey, we can keep going bro. Yeah, I mean do you guys have anything Like give me, give us some topics, I'm down.
Michael:Yo, I got a topic for anyone I? Just did it. I talked to Chris about it already. Yo fuck furnace Creek bro. Oh okay.
Chris:He posted that he was going there. I'm like this guy's going and it wasn't to check it out it wasn't even because of the heat, it was.
Michael:The heat was like bad, but it's no worse than playing here in the summer. Dude, the greens were like fluffy carpets and they had to be rolling at like a six. I hated it with a passion. And then the the drop in elevation.
Chris:Yeah, that was, that was good, don't fly for not at all, and you can legitimately notice that you can notice it immediately, like I just fall out of the sky.
Michael:Dude, I would. I flushed my three wood, which is usually like 240 ish. If I flush it, dude, I think I hit it a whole like 178 yards.
Joe:Wow.
Michael:Like it was stupid. It's pretty good Furnace. Creek Valley.
Joe:So, matt, matt did, I think it's the lowest 92 holes one day at Death Valley in the summer. Yeah, oh my God.
Michael:You should do like a charity thing.
Joe:Oh like all day long.
Michael:I actually hit Matt up because I couldn't remember the course. I was like yo, what's the one that's in Death Valley, the one that's super hot? So I get, I found out it's the lowest elevated course in the world. It's 214 feet under sea level or whatever. And the dude his name was John that runs it. I think it might be like his baby. I think he's the only one that runs it like there were no. There is no cart girl. There is no like nothing. It's just one guy that runs it and water dude, but what they have, they have which. Another thing that I've been pissed about lately in Vegas is they've taken the water away from us. I feel like out there they have the water tanks at every whatever, every three holes or whatever. They also had vending machines, like all over the course, which was cool. It was actually dope it is going to pack the cigarettes a dollar 50 or whatever, you get an ice, cold water or coke or whatever you want. But um, yeah, dude, it's just, the guy was really nice, the course was in nice shape, it just with those greens and like not being able to hit it far and then it being like 120 degrees, it was just like dog. This shit is like pissing me off, did you go by yourself, or who'd you?
Chris:go.
Michael:So I went, with a shame, to rail. We were shooting a video for dog leg and, um, yeah, dude it just. We were just trying to get some content, which it was cool. Man, we had a good time, it's just.
Joe:I don't know man, I got, I got.
Michael:I got overly excited, bro, because I just found out, because I was looking up some stats on it or whatever, Pete died, redesigned it like not that long, so I got excited. I'm like, oh, this will be a cool ass course. That's the other thing that kind of annoyed me was it was just a boring course. There's nothing to it. There's like no bunkers, it's just grass. It was just very boring.
Joe:Nothing, no like sunrises that at Nellis.
Michael:Yeah, dude, it was like nothing. So I just I'm like I told Chris I was glad I did it, it was like one of those like buggy things to check it off.
Joe:You check it off.
Michael:But I don't know if I'll go back. The only thing I will say for anybody that's a Vegas excuse me, a Vegas local Um, if you are interested in playing there, they told me, during the winter time is when it's in the best condition and they give all of the Vegas guys local discount. So I think it's like 80 bucks during the winter, but we get it for 37.
Joe:So nice.
Michael:That's if you want to drive two hours. What's up, you guys got this.
Joe:I'm going to rest real quick. You guys, I know Eric's. Eric's got the mic.
Michael:I wouldn't yeah, yeah.
Chris:I could see that. I could see that, yeah.
Michael:Well, shadow kind of has like that, uh right, Well, shadows kind of compact, they kind of like belly high right, it's kind of got like a couple of holes, that kind of just zigzag, no Cause. Uh, yeah, that's far. That's the thing, man I so when I first played badly high with Joe when I first started golfing, I hated that course because I felt exactly what you just said. It was just like dude, I thought I was in like uh, you know, um, what's the? That one movie that starts over and over every day the same thing Groundhogs day, yeah. I thought I was in Groundhogs day because I was like dude, didn't we just play this whole like four times in a row? But I played it a couple of times recently and I don't know. I just it's one of those things where you got to find the beauty in what you find in it. But it definitely it's got those things of like, wow, when does this stop? When does this stop, do you? I mean, I know it's, it's grown on me, it's grown on me. Yeah, you could definitely score low there.
Chris:I haven't played belly high in years, dude, Like I'm thinking. I'm thinking like 15 years since I played belly high.
Joe:Really Well yeah. Yeah, I played it probably like a year and a half ago and it's still like nothing special to me.
Michael:It's. Look. I played it twice in the last like maybe 30 days. It's freaking. It's been a good show, that's all I can say. Yeah.
Joe:She's out there now, so shout out to Shea. Go see Shea out of belly high but diving into golf courses like I know Eric's probably played all the top 100s in the world. I'm going on a golf trip this weekend so I'm really excited. I can't wait to escape the heat of Vegas. Me, dan and Bob, we're going up to Chambers Bay Wow and we're going to play a gold mountain, white horse and sailor's cliffs and hopefully, the home course. So I want to hear from you guys like where is your guys's top destination that you want to go to? Because even if I was presented with a golf trip still to me like, I still want to go to bad adunts Every time I am presented with a golf trip like that's my favorite place in the world. I know Mike's been there. Eric, I don't think you've been there, but I know Chris, you haven't been there, but that's still my top destination. If I was presented with a golf trip like and I was given anywhere in the world like pine herds would probably be a close second, and not because of pine hers, it'd be because of Southern pines. There's so much golf out there to play. Wisconsin looks great, michigan looks great, but we got New Zealand, australia and we're going to do in like 31 Ireland, we're going to do for Tray's birthday, which hopefully Eric, you know about that in 2027. Well, you'll get the invite, but there's a lot of places to play and I want to know for you guys, if you, where do you want to go, dude? I this was actually on my like. This was on my notes, your actual list, you know, please?
Michael:I mean, you probably passed it yeah. Dude, I actually haven't played much outside of Vegas, so I'm ready to like get the fuck out of here and go play. I'm playing in Cleveland next third, like week and a half, so I'm excited for that. I really want to go play in the Midwest. I feel like I've been to a couple of courses out there, but to film and they just look so cool. I like. I really like the grass and trees more than the like desert, so I'm excited to like that's because we get the desert all the time.
Joe:Yeah, people that have the trees want to come see the desert. They want to come see the desert.
Michael:They want to come see the desert, but, dude, I don't know man, I just I'm sick of. I just want to see some cooler weather and some green grass Number one golf course.
Joe:you want to play Number one golf course. You want to play in the world.
Michael:Number one. You know which one?
Joe:I don't even know how good, the golf course it is. Give me three if there's not one.
Michael:Well, I got one that I really want to play. I just don't even know how good are the golf courses. I don't even know the name of it, I just see it on Instagram all the time. But is that one golf course in Egypt that, like overlooks the?
Joe:Oh yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, totally.
Michael:I just I want to go play that. That seems like such a cool little track.
Joe:Yeah, chris.
Chris:Definitely for me the old course. That'd be my top destination if I was a big second. I've been seeing a lot of Canada golf man it looks insane up there.
Joe:It banff springs man. I played that on the fucking PS5 the other day. It looks sick.
Chris:Oh shit, you trying to get it, man. I got the X box, it shot out Cyrus PGA man If you need.
Joe:If you have questions about Canada golf, hit up at Cyrus PGA I got to check it out. C-y-r-u-s-p-g-a. Dude is a knowledge bank of golf in Canada, so hit him up, and also the Dansem. But yes, banff springs looks good. I want to play there too. You got a third.
Chris:Oh, for me, I don't know.
Joe:I'm waiting, bro. I'm waiting for it. I'm waiting for it. Third for me, I got the national that's out of reach. Man, come on, don't get, don't get to us.
Chris:You just said. You just said if I could dream courses bro. All right, let's see Joe's like give me your real.
Joe:Yeah, you're not going to play there. You're not going to play there, whispering likes on whispering likes on Ontario, California? No, I don't know you don't want to go play the Bay or anything.
Chris:I don't know, man, I don't know. I just it'd be hard for me to pick three. I just alley-ooped you, I think, beth Page, or something like that.
Joe:But Beth Page would be good. Yeah, all right. Eric, you've played every golf course in the entire world. Wow, we're having.
Michael:You know his answer is going to be I don't want to play golf anymore.
Joe:Hey he went to the range. I was in the range, he got hacked.
Michael:That was a hacked account.
Joe:Yeah, he was on before he went to the range. So was that you, Eric? Did you go to the range? You were there at the range.
Michael:The problem is with the way AI is now and deep fakes.
Joe:I don't even know. See, he just went out.
Michael:I don't know, I'm telling you, I'm telling you.
Chris:He's looking, he's looking.
Joe:The AI got scared, bro. Yeah, that was just a deep fake. Did you put those USTs in? Yeah, you'd put those in. Yeah, I was going to ask you to send them to me because I didn't think you'd put them in. Yeah, I hit maths the other day, or I felt maths the other day, and yeah, they seem great. I'm going to have to switch, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good one man. Yeah, four students the loop. Yeah, yeah. How good is a fucking golf trip? Though? It's the best, right, I'm addicted to golf trips. Yeah, that is my fiend. Yeah, yeah.
Michael:Yeah, yeah, really.
Joe:Dude, don't even bro. Bro, you're not, no, he just I'm ripping this newspaper. I'm ripping it. Yeah, it's a rip that you're not getting this newspaper.
Michael:Yeah, I'm just trying to get it out of there.
Joe:I do. Okay, okay, okay, okay. You go up to band and doings with like eight of your golf homies. You have no desire to do that. You have no desire to spend time with your friends on a golf course. Not just a golf course.
Michael:The golf course.
Joe:The golf plaza. Man, you're breaking my heart. Man, Dad, you never been bro. You don't get it, but I would, but I would, I would, I would love it for you. You know what I'm saying yeah, but I want to spend time with you there.
Michael:I'm going to pull you up there, bro. We're going to pull you up there and we're going to go to the little nasty little gas station and get the greasy little tacos.
Joe:Do you like tacos, eric, eric, do you like tacos? Okay, what does that mean? Does that mean you like tacos? That means you like the cowboys, probably, I don't know.
Michael:Okay, well well, you'll love these little dusty tacos up there in band and bro You'll love this little smoky meat tacos. He's not going.
Joe:No, save the secrets for someone else, because you're going to get it.
Michael:That's true, that's true.
Joe:I don't touch Canada. I've never been to Canada.
Michael:Bro, my half of my.
Joe:That's Oregon. It's another state away from Canada. What does that have to do with?
Michael:the cow. What's that got to do with it, though?
Chris:Yeah, what does that mean Because of the tacos.
Michael:He's having issues, he's coming back he said he got kind of. That's most abandoned too, bro.
Joe:Yeah, it is Dude, eric, like you're kind of disappointing me, like, honestly, I'm kind of disappointing you. Yeah, I thought you were a good human. Now you're just this shit human.
Michael:He's not a good human, cut it out.
Joe:You don't have to be a soul golfer to enjoy banding Back. Yeah, you're back, you're on here. Eric was just telling us how he has no desire to go to band at Doon's and I hope you don't. Yes bro, like you, don't have to enjoy playing golf there, and that's not what it's about. It's about the experience.
Michael:It's not. It's about drinking it's about?
Joe:it's about spending time with your friends that love golf at a place that embraces golf. It's not that far in the wilderness, bro.
Michael:It's really not it is.
Joe:It is a little bit, though it's a little bit.
Michael:Two hours.
Joe:But it's a stream song is like no, that's not wilderness. Stream song is not even wilderness. That's like fucking sand, that's like orange fields. Look, here's the thing. Well, there have been a stream song, so I can't speak on it. Once you're on the property, though, it doesn't matter, bro.
Michael:Once you're on the property, you forget about any type of city or wilderness. You good, all right.
Joe:Hey, eric just doesn't get it, that's fine. He's not a soul golfer, he's not. And Mike's, I know, I know, I know.
Michael:I mean, I'm not even, I was just reinstating it. It's still, it does something.
Joe:Mike's never even played Bandit Dunes.
Michael:Yeah.
Joe:He's been there.
Michael:At what.
Joe:Because he worships LeBron, as I think is what he said.
Michael:Look man, lebron would go to Bandit, but Eric Eric hates me. He was supposed to go to Cleveland with me and he bailed on me. That's why I bailed on him on his birthday. Nah, dude, he told me before he's like, I don't care what gets in the way, I'll quit my job and come with you to play golf. Joe, do you want to?
Joe:know if I'm going to play golf. We're not turning this into a best friend battle, okay, no, we're not.
Michael:We're not but I do have one thing to say, though, joe you want to know something. How long have I known Eric? Like four years, I think.
Joe:Do you know? Months maybe?
Michael:No, I've known him a long time. You know he's never played golf with me. I.
Joe:Played golf there once. No, that's what I'm saying but, but you also have to understand Eric doesn't play golf. I know he's the elusive golfer, that's true. Who hates bandit. Yeah, yeah, you said you would ever go, so anyway, I, we've probably taken the shit way too far. Let, yeah, let me, let me pull out. I'm gonna pull out the odds. Hopefully, hopefully. No, I've had the same golf clubs for a year and a half, yeah, and if you, if you, if you like them, don't change them. If you hit them bad, I guess don't change them because I haven't been hitting them great lately. But we'll find it because I have hit them good before. So that's probably on me. Hopefully, chris can jump back in here. But you, you have new shafts. I was hoping that you wouldn't put those in because I was literally gonna trade you for a review journal Of the night's winning the cup. But If you can get a set, I will happily take them. What, what is this? Okay, I Don't know the odds. I was gonna, I was gonna have you guys pick up. Chris is coming back in. It's the one that JT shat the bed on and he was like hey, I'll commit to it. What is that? Because he, he played very badly at the open and he's like he's never. Hey, he's never committed to another. He hasn't committed to this guy's life. What is it? Do you know what the tournament is this weekend, chris? My fucking app is being an asshole. It's it's northeast, no clue. I know that. And and ESPN app as a parent. Is it the twin rivers or whatever it is? I got a right twin cities. Yeah, 3m, yep, 3m.
Chris:That I rhyme stairs.
Joe:Yeah, that's, that's correct. Which is they got their hand in everything then hooks, fucking Velcro, and there's like there's those hooks that you can peel off.
Michael:Are you serious?
Joe:Yeah.
Michael:Of course we can do this shit. That's funny, yeah. Yeah dude, they have Fina as the favorite for.
Joe:Well, he won there, right, I think he's one there. I'm trying to pull up the odds right now because my my thing is being I was gonna get you guys to make the picks for these guys. They probably wouldn't like it, like Jeremy and Matt, but hey, you guys are here. They're not. That's true.
Michael:You guys, I want you guys a but we're gonna make the picks, but they have to stick with them. So yeah, that's what I'm saying when they get the glory and if they're in last place.
Joe:Yeah, they're not here. Yeah well, well, well, I have the keys to the crib. All right, the keys are mine. I'm babysitting Again. Fuck Cool, can't wait to see you. All right, let me go through these odds real quick. I pulled them up on covers. Calm, they might be incorrect. But Tony Fina, 12 to 1, came young, 14 to 1. Hideki, 18 to 1, justin Thomas, 20 to 1, along with Sung Jae Grio, 25 to 1. Septrac a 30 to 1. Ludwig Amberg, 33 to 1, along with Saheed the Gala, 35 to 1, steven Heger, cameron Davis, 35 to 1, gary Woodland, keith Mitchell, jj spawn, patrick Rogers, 41, bo Hossler, 40 to 1, as well. Vincent Norman is also 40 to 1, and that's all this shit gives me. So let's Make our picks. I think I won the week last week, so I'm gonna take a pick and then I Don't know if we were proud recording you guys are making the picks For the guys that are not here, that are typically here. It's my house, I got the keys. You guys are making the picks. One of you Will be the person who does not make the cut. So for me, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna just roll with with my man. He's gonna come back. He's coming back. Jt, jt, he's coming back. Oh, he's never played this, he's never played this event. He's fucking fired up.
Michael:So okay, JT 20.
Joe:So I'm gonna go in my mode kids. Oh, all right, so that that is Mike and Chris. So Mike's gonna pick for Matt and Chris is gonna pick for Jeremy. And then Eric's gonna make the pick for Whoever misses the cut.
Michael:Well, Well, jeremy's. Yeah, go ahead, take Jeremy's pick.
Joe:Yeah, see, he Missed the cut in the open.
Chris:He's gonna go, so he.
Joe:Jeremy, you got see he the gala. Yeah, I got it. I love see he thought we're 33.
Chris:That's the.
Joe:Chino boy. I want to see him win. So he's the gala.
Chris:That's my pick.
Joe:He links a little. He's a so Cal kids. Alright, we got for.
Michael:Matt, well, I asked you a question first. You want me to go in my head or my heart?
Joe:just go. Whatever the fuck fucks up Matt's point.
Michael:All right, I'm gonna go in my head that I'll probably fuck up his points. Um so, Matt, I wasn't gonna give you very willing. That's my heart pick.
Joe:But I'm not gonna go there.
Michael:Yeah, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go with Hideki, because I feel like we haven't seen him do a lot of Much of nothing lately, so let's see him pulling out.
Joe:All right, 18 to 1 for him, hideki, that's probably better than woodland. I love woodland.
Michael:But Woodland, woodland might come through and just surprise the fool.
Joe:He could, he could. Alright, eric, who you got, who you got for the surprise pick? Missing the cut? No, no, you have to pick just pick whoever you want to pick, and if our picks miss the cut, then we we fall back on your page. So, that's what I was actually like, let's say 51 they gave me the whole, the whole list of the field, only got like 20 so yeah, we only do, we only do bonus points up to 50 to 1, so if he's probably past 51, so you is, he in the field. If you know he's in the field, you can pick up Well.
Michael:Oh wait, I might just find the whole field.
Joe:Just, and he is in the pit, he's in the field.
Chris:You just got me.
Joe:That's that's it Okay.
Chris:Last name.
Joe:I have one computer screen for me, eric, and I'm hosting this podcast. Two plus two equals five.
Chris:Hey.
Joe:I like your hat, though you might get that revert review journal one day. All right, so if Bramlett is not in the field, then it's Justin Lauer. Can we just get like a third one, just in case none of these guys are playing, because we're we're, we're an hour and 30 minutes, which is 540 minutes past. But I thought we would be at. Just say like fucking who's in here? Just say cam champ.
Michael:Oh, I got you, I guess no.
Joe:Okay, all right, just Justin Lauer and then cam champ. Well, if the first two guys aren't in the field, you just all right.
Michael:I don't think greenly.
Joe:Eric Greenlee is the third pick. He's playing in the field this weekend potentially, I don't know. All right guys, this is gone way too long, which is which is better than I thought it was gonna be. I thought I was gonna be fucking cooking.
Chris:Hey, this is fun.
Joe:No, I'm not bored, I just don't. I just hey this is Joe Rogan.
Michael:You know the.
Joe:Joe Rogan podcast that were three hours is interesting.
Michael:It's not that, but dad is gone.
Joe:My beers. I have to go downstairs and give another, and it's 10 whatever time it is 10-05. You guys have anything else. You guys have anything else? Let it out. I'm down to talk more 10-05, let's get some. Let's get some shit going instead of fucking Joseph Brantlin, justin Lauer and cam champ picks, which we love, those guys. Yeah, yeah, shout out, shout out Vegas exploding where, and we're all homies out here. We all know each other. So if you want to get into a league or wherever you want to go, let us know we're all here for you. It's fun, man, it really is it Play golf. We're here to play golf, and soul golf, like Eric always says just play golf soul golfer. It's a. It's a good time to play golf and to go to the driving range every four years, matt, mike, you got anything. Yeah hey, do you want me to mute you? Do you want me to?
Michael:mute you. Yeah, let's bring the tea tides down and yes, water. Consumption up. Like you know, let's get some water again in the coolers get some fucking hydration packets.
Joe:It's hydration packets.
Michael:That's all to Costco.
Joe:Eric, I get, I'm giving you the last word. Well before me, but you got anything.
Michael:I, I'm so happy.
Joe:You're a part of it All right, well, thank you guys for going in while dad is not home. The misfit child has been given the keys. I think we delivered, I think it was. I think it was good episode, good talks.
Michael:This might this might end up being its operated episode. It could be.
Joe:No, it could be, you never know, and I Didn't. I didn't think we would get this deep into it, but we did and I think we had some good discussions and I love you guys, even though I don't know. But that was directed Eric. But yeah, thank you guys.
Michael:Man, always enjoy seeing you guys talk to you.
Joe:And thank you for jumping on the chasing daylight podcast. This is fun and hopefully we get you guys on again when dad is home and he might make some oatmeal for you or give you a bowl of cereal or some meatloaf, cook some meatloaf for you. I don't know that's what dads do, but we're here every single week 8 30 pm. On Mondays. We record live. Typically we're on YouTube, but this night we are not, because I wasn't given the keys of the bends, as I mentioned on Instagram. But you can find us on Riverside and we thank you for tuning in every single week. Love you guys. Golf is the shit, even if Eric doesn't believe Bannon is. I just want to keep pointing out, eric, but we're here every single week. Tell your friends, tell your family, go play some fucking golf. It is a great connector, a community builder, and we're here for it. We'll see you next week later. He's that well, I don't hate.
Chris:Peace guys.
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