July 12, 2023
228: Exploring Golf's Popularity Surge, Course Challenges, and the War of Words Between Koepka and Wolff
What could be the aftermath of golf's recent popularity surge on our beloved courses? Why are we teasing Matt for his decision to cut back on carbs and Jeremy for completely giving them up? Brace yourself for another round of laughs and insightful banter as we catch up on life, golf, and burgers at Barcode in this episode of Chasing Daylight Podcast. We also dived into the 4th of July debut of the spectacular Vegas Sphere and touched on Mr. Greenely's visit.
As golf enthusiasts, we couldn't resist pondering the impact of the astonishing surge in golf's popularity and what it could mean for our treasured courses. Could it lead to improvements? Or make the courses more challenging? Join us as we theorize the possibilities, reminisce about Yana's exhilarating experience at the Women's US Open, and indulge in a lively discussion about Pebble Beach as a US Open venue and the exclusive Shadow Creek in Las Vegas.
Venture with us as we reveal our upcoming golf plans and our highly anticipated trip to Washington. We also reflect on the John Deere Classic and Sepp Straka's triumphant win. As we conclude this episode, we delve into the fascinating world of golf, comparing the number of golfers in the world and Formula One drivers, and explore the war of words between Brooks Keopka and Matthew Wolff. So, are you ready to join us for another unforgettable episode?
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00:10 - Chasing Daylight Podcast and Vegas Sphere Updates
12:27 - Discussion on Golf Courses and Pricing
23:48 - Golf Course Challenges and Equipment Updates
32:40 - Golf Plans and Tournament Discussion
42:57 - Golf Picks and New Golf Facility
58:34 - The Difficulty of Winning in Golf
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a little flashback.
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Music spin a while since we've heard Fugazi have a lot of the podcast playing on spotlights what is up everybody, and I believe I have successfully started the show on YouTube, so to oh, gotta cut this off.
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Hang on, whoop.
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There we go.
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What is up everybody?
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welcome to another episode of the chasing daylight podcast.
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We are live on YouTube right now.
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We've got some viewers on there.
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Thank you so much, dan.
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Let me know in the chat before we started to make sure I hit the stream start.
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Just got the thumbs up from Vavz.
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It's working.
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So, yes, we're good to go.
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So thanks everybody that is on that platform.
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We appreciate it.
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As you can see, joe has greatly enhanced his background except for the wrinkles yeah, for some reason I don't know why he can't tell that that is like a bright ass star behind him.
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I think it's funny.
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We've been telling him to do something about it for a while and you're on mute, joe.
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I shine like one oh okay.
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And then Vavz says something about it and all of a sudden he's changing it.
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I ordered.
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There's gonna be a backdrop here at some point, and I don't know.
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This shit is too close.
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It's gonna be too close.
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I feel claustrophobic in here, but it's better it's making progress, making progress.
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I was getting tired of seeing the Dyson and the reflection of this van, and then the like leveler ruler the potty squatty and the the diaper genie and yeah, anyways, it's all behind the curtain now.
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Wizard of Oz also want to give some love to Mr Greenlee.
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He was in town this weekend, had some lunch with him.
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We all did actually out at Barcode Burger today a little disappointed.
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They didn't have any chicken wings and stock.
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They sold them all.
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that was impressive but first time out there I was super impressed with the food, like that burger.
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Theo got the rest of my leftovers and he demolished it their burgers are legit, absolutely legit.
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I mean, they've been voted like one of the best hamburgers in Vegas and I I can see it, i see it, i definitely want to get back.
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Yeah, we all agreed that if it was on, like Eastern Horizon Ridge, it would be killer yeah, uber eats in it all the time it's been a while, since I've been down in that area in the daytime and yeah like the walking done.
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Yes yeah, if you're in Vegas visiting, don't head too far east on Flamingo, i mean you get to a lot of people gotta go to the strip they visit.
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They gotta go hit that target, so they see it yeah, i saw someone running out with a microwave there once, so we don't go to that target anymore ugh, good heavens when we lived downtown, we used to go there all the time, and it's worse than it was when we lived downtown.
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So yeah, it's people making cement beds out there.
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They're just laying on the sidewalk dude, it's crazy.
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It's crazy.
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How about the debut of the Vegas sphere 4th of July?
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they turned that thing on, dude.
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It is getting like worldwide recognition and I haven't seen a golf ball yet.
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I mean, people have been photoshopping them and making them, but I haven't seen a golf ball yet.
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The basketball for summer league that's going on was ridiculous.
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It's absolutely insane.
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Jeremy, you were down on the strip last week.
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You guys drove by it.
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I seen it.
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You know construction up close, but how was it with all the lights on?
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it's insane, like when you're kind of on the strip or even like on the 15, looking at the sphere right past Venetian, it looks fake, like it messes with your head because it looks flat from over there, but when you're up next to it, it's just am I like really looking at this right now?
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it's just so crazy.
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So we've seen, we saw the earth, we saw the moon, we saw the Microsoft or Mac screensaver paint splashes.
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We've seen the basketball.
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So it's it's crazy.
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It's so weird like it's the perfect place for the eyeball creepy and I was telling Brooklyn.
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I said they need to just fix it on a plane coming in and then there was a video of that happening.
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It's so freaking creepy.
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It's awesome this tour is on YouTube what's going on, adam?
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lots of viewers in here so I'll be careful.
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What I say that's not as bro, you know it.
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Speak your mind, speak your mind.
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This is carefree and happy place for everybody in the golfing world.
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We'll get to golf eventually.
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I'm up to 8 days that I have not been on the golf course.
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I was going to say carbs.
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I did carbs today.
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Joe gets on my ass about having some breaded chicken.
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He says I'm 8 days clean of carbs.
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I said 5 days of low carbs he goes.
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I didn't touch the french fries, didn't touch fry, didn't touch french fry meanwhile the chicken fingers are breaded but hey look, there's not a ton of carbs in these clips.
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I'm happy for you.
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I finally hit the 210 mark.
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At the beginning of the year.
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I was at 230, pretty happy.
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Right now.
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You can give me all the shit you want, i don't care, i'm happy for you you're making conscious decisions.
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That's the first step.
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Admitting you have a problem should be the step before that.
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You didn't admit the problem today, but you're making a conscious effort what's the problem?
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carbs.
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Yeah, i didn't say that.
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I said I am dialed back my carb and take a ton way back.
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Jeremy hasn't had a carb in a long time.
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He wanted a piece of the chicken finger.
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I grabbed from Eric and.
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I told him I'm not giving it to you because I know you get spiked after Juan's flaming fajitos last night, i was pretty much out of ketosis this morning.
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I'm working my way back in give me shit why you sit there and drink beer hey, this is happy dad and I'm only drinking happy dad tonight because Eric was in town.
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This is his drink of choice.
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I figure I'd give it a shot.
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Joe Adam wants to know if you're recording from inside a tent.
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I'm not sure.
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I'm not sure I'm recording from inside a tent yes, i built a TP.
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I got a little.
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I got a little fire going on.
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Back here we're cooking up some chilaquiles.
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Well, that's not really.
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It's not really Native American bison, yeah, bison.
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Yeah, it's a halo at the beginning.
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I'm on youtube over here.
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Dan says it's a halo and I said that earlier.
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I shine like one oh, geez, welcome Jeremy.
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You didn't play any golf this past week, right, i did not.
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Nor did I.
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Yeah, we'll just skip right over that.
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Joe was out at mountain falls, though how'd that go.
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It was good courses in fantastic shape.
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It looks the same as when we were out there for the VGN tournament it's.
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The fairways were very good, greens were great.
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I couldn't put for shit.
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I could not make anything until the 18th hole, but obviously great company and Trey and Chad and Julian.
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It was a good time and that drive is not very difficult.
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I can make that drive very easily.
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It's a lot easier than coyote springs that's why I told Trey this drive is so much easier than coyote.
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Is it a better course than coyote?
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no, is the conditions better?
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maybe I don't know, but it's a great course.
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I can play it often and the drive is pretty simple yeah, and since they've done all the improvements on that road, you can blaze through there really quickly and there's just that long stretch.
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You're headed towards Perump, but since it's on the outskirts of Perump, you can get to it pretty quickly and people that live in mountains edge that's like piece of cake that's what I was thinking while I was driving out there.
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I was driving by mountains, edge and roads ranch.
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This is closer than coyote for them.
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Yeah, they did up their green fees because they were $75 oh, that is a big increase yeah, when I pulled up to the range, i had like 15 or 20 minutes before just to warm up or whatever and I asked Trey, did they charge you $75?
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I was like man, i don't remember this place ever being more than $60.
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They keep on seeing Trey out there.
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They're like we gotta this guy's coming back something's up.
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Yeah, they need to make a coyote car out there hey, i got some.
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I posted this in the discord chat on our VGN server.
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Somebody was saying that legacy is looking good.
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They said that it's the best it's looked in like the last two years.
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Bunkers are kind of a disaster right now.
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They're pretty much hard pan so hopefully they can get that alleviated, you know, in the next 13 days when we have our two day event out there.
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But promising road ahead for legacy.
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They are under new management.
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Part 3 is no longer their management company.
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It's the same company now that handles Revere.
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So yeah, i'm excited about this one because legacy is one of my, like, favorite layouts in town.
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Conditions have always kind of been shoddy, i mean with the water restrictions that are happening to all the courses in town and that place used to be green and lush and it just can't be that anymore.
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So Revere's done, i think, a really good job maintaining Lexington with, you know, all the new water regulations.
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They've removed a ton of trees and a ton of bushes that soaked up a lot of water.
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That's allowed them to use that water on the course versus some, you know, roughage in the parking lot.
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So if legacy can do that, i mean they've already cut a lot of grass out.
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I mean, like the number 2 T-box used to be all grass and now it's just squares, and they've done that on some of the other holes, but there's a lot of grass that can be taken out out there and made you know, i don't know if dirt is the best or something, that something they can do, but yeah, i think this time next year we'll be talking about the return of legacy, hopefully and prim yeah, and prim yes, and prim, i tell you, i mean the good parts of the greens at prim was really good.
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It just sucks that there was so many bad spots but the green that you could play on.
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I thought it was perfect, it was slow.
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But yeah, it was slow, but it was grass at least you know.
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Yeah, i mean that that six hole is just awful and I mean I would like to see them just work on half of it and just make that the tiniest green on the course until the other half comes in yeah, we're in a time where people will mostly pay anything to play golf, because there's a lot of people playing golf and I think obviously there's going to be a resurgence of that like to where people don't play golf as much at some point and they're going to have to show value for their product at some point in the future and those that take care of their courses are going to profit better off of, you know, this influx of golfers.
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So we'll see what happens, but I think I think prim's going to be great.
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I think they're going to come back alive at some point.
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I'm really hoping that that happens.
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I know Legacy has had a difficult situation with the.
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They were trying to get rid of the course and build like a hotel on it and you know, and all the people that live in that area were like no, we bought our house because of this and you know they removed a ton of grass.
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So hopefully, hopefully, we see a spike in the quality of golf soon at some of our different spots.
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Reflection Bay with the new greens is going to be, yeah, amazing if Prem can come back, if Legacy can come back, we're going to ask you know some good, viable options?
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finally, yeah, yeah, yeah, chris, you're right.
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I mean we we played a tournament out there week, two weeks ago or last weekend, and yeah, they're, they're rough, it's, it's in bad shape, but, like I said, the grass that is on the greens is really good.
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There's just not enough of it yet, but give it time.
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They got their watershed figured out.
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So, yeah, i think we I think we chatted about last week, but, for those that don't know, there was an issue with their well and there was a shit ton of salt in it shot off Avalora and he let us know the situation going on out there.
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But It's fixed and so hopefully, hopefully soon, within the next year, it'll improve.
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Some no play a couple weeks down for overseas And I know they're gonna do it.
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But if they can do that, that, that will seriously help.
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Some cooler weather, mm-hmm.
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And some no play on on those greens, that will.
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That will help a lot.
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Hey, i want to.
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I owe pebble beach an apology.
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I said last on last week's show that I didn't like pebble beach as a US Open venue.
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God, i was very wrong.
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That place was bad ass.
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I Don't know what I just get.
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It's so much pebble beach, pebble.
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Yeah, we just see it too.
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We see it much and Wow did it look spectacular for the women's US Open.
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Yana had bad second day.
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She kind of struggled out the gaze and then got it back and and was in line to make the cut and then just had a really bad second day.
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So she did not make the the cut, but congrats to her for that.
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You know, being there experiencing it kind of get an idea what real pro Level golf is like on that tour.
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She's gonna be a star at Oregon.
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Yeah, she'll be there.
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She'll be there.
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She swings it way too good not to be.
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But oh, my goodness, some of the things that they did where they brought in the fairways and made it tight That's.
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I'm like, can some of the PGA tour courses that are out there right now, where these guys are scoring, you know, 24 under and winning tournaments, could they maybe consider this Hey, let's bring the fairways in 30 feet and give these guys some challenges?
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I Mean, is it good for TV?
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No, but is it?
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you know Good to you know, challenge these guys a little bit more and and showcase their skills.
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And I I mean it's fun to watch them score and I Eric said it last week You know he doesn't watch golf to watch guys struggle.
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He likes watching, you know, the good shots and the low scores and and I appreciate that.
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But I want to see the guys challenge.
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Yeah, i mean for a major, i mean 28 yesterday.
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Let's find dandy at John Deere, but for you, as open, let's yeah.
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Yeah he was 11 11 under through 14, just was making everything.
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Yeah, the squares guys were going nuts.
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Yeah, yeah, shoot now emails and shit.
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Adam, don't don't think.
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I don't understand how shadow greens are a thousand, yet pebble 625, it's, it's Vegas.
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It's Vegas, it's exclusivity.
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Anybody can go play pebble, not anybody can go play shadow.
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I mean, i guess you if you have the money.
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But it's Vegas.
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You know, do you think it's because?
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that's like the course in Vegas.
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I mean that's not private.
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I mean you've got win and win.
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But I Mean if there was more courses here that were super high-end like that, then maybe shadow wouldn't be a thousand bucks, because I mean you go to pebble.
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You have several courses over there that are Expensive but competing with Febble Beach in a way.
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Most people go there probably to play a couple of them at the time, but It just feels like shadows, the sort of the The course here, the yeah, I think it's here, but I think it absolutely is wins moving up there though.
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Well, and it's this era now where, hey, let's see what we can get.
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Yeah you know there, let's throw it up to a thousand.
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See what happens.
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Holy shit, we're still getting as many people as we were at at 700.
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Yeah, i, yeah, i don't know.
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I mean It's tough.
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I mean like when wins not comparable to shadow in my opinion.
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I mean it's it's totally a different environment, totally different course, but still it's like it's.
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It's tough to be a local and a passionate soul golfer, if you will to be like, yeah, that place deserves a thousand dollars of my money.
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You know, it went three years ago, was 500.
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It's like what?
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Obviously there's inflation and everything, but what's inflation?
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at like 12% maybe.
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So 12% of that's sick.
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Golf, it's higher than that.
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So it's just, it's just.
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It's rough man and I wish I wish we went, would have went and played it when it was 500 and you could you know.
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But it's tough man.
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I mean, you know, right now, you think about it.
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You're like you know four years ago, five years ago, like I don't want to pay 500 to play shadow.
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Now I wish it was 500.
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When you can, when you could, probably you can book a flight to bandin and play.
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You know you could play three courses that bandin for that amount, you know, and it's Arguably a better experience.
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I mean, i'm not saying I mean and it.
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It gives Those people on the higher end that experience, that exclusive experience that they want.
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But as a as a golfer like I Mean, i've never played shadow, but I've been there and it's like I Would much rather go to bandin dunes or I would 100% much rather go to southern pines or Pine needles, mid pines, because it has like a history there and it's not super fabricated like shadow Creek, it's just I we could buy plane tickets To North Carolina and go play southern pines, mid pines and pine needles.
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Eat for the price exactly.
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Room and board food and it's arguably Better golf.
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It's like a better.
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It Potentially is a better golf course and shout out Markson the chat on YouTube.
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He said that exclusivity angle has always been the hook at shadow and that and that's it, i mean totally the clubhouse with all the.
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