Sept. 24, 2025

345: From Sudbury to the PGA. Kurt Kowaluk's Journey

Send us a text Have you ever wondered what really happens inside the ropes of professional golf tournaments? Kurt Kowaluk pulls back the curtain on the caddy experience in this captivating conversation that takes us from his humble beginnings in Sudbury, Canada, to the prestigious fairways of Augusta National. Kurt's journey into professional caddying began with a serendipitous phone call from his friend David Hearn, launching him into a career that's spanned nearly two decades across multip...

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Have you ever wondered what really happens inside the ropes of professional golf tournaments? Kurt Kowaluk pulls back the curtain on the caddy experience in this captivating conversation that takes us from his humble beginnings in Sudbury, Canada, to the prestigious fairways of Augusta National.

Kurt's journey into professional caddying began with a serendipitous phone call from his friend David Hearn, launching him into a career that's spanned nearly two decades across multiple tours. With remarkable candor, he shares the pivotal moment when he won his first tournament as a caddy—an LPGA match play event where defeating stars like Cristie Kerr and Angela Stanford changed his perspective on what was possible in this profession.

What makes this episode particularly valuable is Kurt's unique vantage point across different tours. Having caddied on the PGA Tour, LPGA Tour, and, more recently, LIV Golf, he offers a refreshingly balanced perspective on the evolving landscape of professional golf, focusing on how these changes impact the lives of caddies rather than getting caught up in industry politics.

Golf enthusiasts will appreciate Kurt's technical insights, especially his detailed explanations of green-reading techniques and why he considers Brendan Todd the best putter he has worked with. His analysis of Coyote Springs Golf Course and thoughts on the upcoming Ryder Cup at Bethpage Black (where he's both caddied and played) provide context that only someone who's lived inside the professional game could offer.

Whether you're fascinated by professional golf, curious about the player-caddy relationship, or simply love great storytelling, Kurt's journey from sharpening hockey skates to walking alongside the world's best golfers delivers an authentic, entertaining perspective you won't find anywhere else.

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00:00 - Meet Kurt Kowalik: PGA Tour Caddy

10:00 - Kurt's Journey into Professional Caddying

23:00 - First Tournament Win and Career Milestones

40:00 - Coyote Springs Golf Course Review

57:00 - The Live Golf Tour Experience

01:16:00 - Mastering the Art of Putting

01:30:00 - Ryder Cup Preview and Predictions

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What is up everybody?

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Welcome to another episode of the Chasing Daylight podcast.

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American flags are flying, it's Ryder Cup preview show and we have brought in a special guest, kurt.

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Is it pronounced Kowalik?

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Is that the?

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proper way to say it.

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You did very well.

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That's amongst the best I've heard, yep.

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Right on.

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So Kurt is a caddy out on the PGA Tour and live, and I'm sure you've probably caddied a lot of other places as well.

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But I wanted to bring Kurt on because we've well, we've wanted to have him on for a while and he has some great you know, professional golf insights, and so we're going to have him on for this whole episode.

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He's going to be here chatting with us.

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If you have any questions, hang on.

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Let me get the.

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Uh, let me get our weekly giveaway stream going here behind the scenes.

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There we go.

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Um, if you have any comments for kurt or you have any questions, please throw them in the chat.

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Uh, we'll throw them up on there.

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We'll try and get as many answered as we can.

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If you do have any questions, we're going to talk a little bit about his life as a caddy and then we'll get into some Ryder Cup action.

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We'll talk a little bit about Mitch's revenge in Coyote Springs.

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Kurt got to experience Coyote Springs for the first time yesterday and they had the same pins that we played, so he got to play his own little mitch's revenge.

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But before we get into that, I just want to say real quick thank you so much to garson golf.

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This is very new.

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This is this is.

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This is very new from the ground up.

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This is nothing that we have been working on.

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I didn't even tell the guys about it, I just found out about it and threw it out there because I wanted to get it out there.

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But we have a subscription feature now where you can subscribe for a small monthly fee and that is going to get you some content that is not going to be out on our socials, not out on YouTube videos.

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It'll be kind of like private type stuff.

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Cdp-of shit, yeah, yeah, cdp-of.

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We have a Starfish stunning video We'll be sure to share with everybody.

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So, like I said, that is very new.

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If you want to wait to sign up for that, I completely understand, but you know we may if it takes off and it does.

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Well, you know, maybe our Vegas ranking episode is going to be on the subscription side of it, maybe specific interviews with industry leaders that we think are incredibly valuable to you, maybe some fine things like that Links to Joe's whatnot shows and stuff like that.

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Yeah, links to my whatnot shows.

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Joe's got a big show coming up, so make sure you check in with him for that.

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So, now that that all the particulars are out of the way, how are you doing, kurt?

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I'm doing well, thank you.

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Thanks for having me no problem, excited to be here amongst the uh, four amateur golfers from las vegas dude shut up bio dude, it's so funny, like it.

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It's so funny how we met you too, like just to become part of, like the vegas golf network, and the crew, like just at the shriners yeah, you know.

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So you remember that, like I mean, yeah, I had to have been, at least if it wasn't two years ago, it was three years ago, I think it was three.

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Yeah, it was two or three.

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And you were like, yeah, I run this, you know amateur golf tour, blah, blah, blah.

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And I was like, damn, I wish I travel so much.

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And people are like, oh, you still play hockey?

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I said, yeah, I still play hockey.

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I just go to like the mid-afternoon like rando driving range sessions at the ice rink, you know.

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Yeah, big.

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Shorzy guy over here.

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Why don't?

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Oh, are you, you're nice.

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Do you watch Shorzy?

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Oh yeah, well, so I'm from Sudbury, do you?

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watch Jersey.

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Oh yeah, well, so I'm from.

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Sudbury.

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Oh nice, Shut up.

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No joke, Shut the fuck up.

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That's my hometown, and I was the referee when I was a kid too.

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So like it is just, oh my God, it's pulling on all the heartstrings, like, yeah, that arena that they, the arenas they play in, were like arenas that I grew up playing in.

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Oh, dude, that's gotta get the heartstrings.

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Oh, that's all the restaurants, all that stuff is all the all right for my hometown wild.

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Oh my god, I thought it was a fake town.

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No, it's a real deal.

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Oh, that's amazing like even the names of the bars yeah, the blueberry but yeah so and they're like, oh, like, why don't you join the league?

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Like there's so many great leagues in Vegas and I'm like, well, I'm away 30 plus weeks a year, like nobody wants a goalie.

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Nobody wants a goalie, who, you know, stops every other shot and only shows up, you know, once every four weeks.

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So that's why I don't do that.

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And that's why at the time when I met you guys, I didn't play like anything organized, I was just doing the random.

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You know, when I was home I'd play with, like if I had a buddy who's a member, say at tbc summerlin or red rock or dragon ridge, you know, just hopefully the hopefully the guy in the golf shop that day I I knew and uh, and he charged me a cart fee or something like that yeah, a little yeah exactly.

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I remember the reason last time right.

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Yeah.

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I'm good right.

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I'm good right, so how?

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did you.

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By the way, if anybody is a hockey fan and you have not watched Shorzy go?

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watch.

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Letterkenny and then watch Shorzy, because it's some of the best TV you can watch.

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I mean, it is absolutely fantastic.

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Yeah, it's great.

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I'm behind on it, so I need to catch up.

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It's funny.

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I did probably, I would say, two years ago.

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I started having people, or I started saying I'm from Sudbury, when people would say, where are you from?

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Oh, I'm from Canada, and then they'd kind of be like, give you that excited, like, oh, whereabouts.

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And I'd be like, oh, you know kind of near Toronto, and they're like, oh, really, like what area?

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And I'm like, oh, so you've been to Toronto a couple times.

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They're like, oh yeah, I've been up there a bunch of times.

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Oh, I'm actually from Sudbury, which is about two, two and a 200 miles North, and they're like, they're like no way, that's where.

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Yeah.

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So then, after it happened, like maybe five times or the next 10 times, like somebody I just like I'm going to just say it from Sudbury and I was like some rando golfer and is like wait, you're from Sudbury.

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And I'm like why are you watching?

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Shorzy.

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Like how deep into Hulu or wherever you're going.

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It went from do you know Drake?

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To like do you?

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watch Shorzy real quick.

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That's the Canada.

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Or Shorzy yeah that's the, the canada.

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Yeah, so how did?

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How did you get involved in caddying?

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um, so I was, um, I was okay at golf and, in my quest um to just continue playing golf as long as I could, uh, you know, just through the junior ranks, went and played college golf at the university of Wyoming.

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Um, and I followed a junior golf buddy who was winning all the tournaments.

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His name was David Hearn and, uh, so he started in 97 at Wyoming and I started 98 at Wyoming and it was kind of like that was the like when you go back in your life and you see all the forks in the road that you've had and they brought you to where you're at.

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Like, that was the one Catalyst, catalyst.

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There you go.

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I love this guy.

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I got you there, hey, for a guy who got 925 and it only took 900 to get into Wyoming on the SAT.

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I like you, yeah.

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So, uh, you know, choosing to go to school there and follow David David was one of the top juniors in Canada, um, and so following him and just kind of being being able to hang around them and see how you know how good players practice and all that stuff so got a little bit better.

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Um, didn't really do a whole lot in college until my fifth year, but there wasn't COVID back then.

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Okay, so there I had a fifth year but it wasn't COVID.

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I had like a my first year where I my stroke average was 78.5.

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So it was kind of like a COVID year.

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The, the, the coach, was like we're going to register you next year, you're going to keep your scholarship and then you can just play in your fifth year of school.

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Um, I was like sounds amazing.

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So, yeah, it was kind of a long winter in laramie, but uh and this is a really long story so I followed david there.

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We became closer buddies.

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He's playing on the pga tour a couple years after graduating.

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I'm shooting 74 on the mini tours which everybody knows here is a nice score when you're playing against your buddies in an amateur.

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Vegas Golf Network yeah.

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Vegas Golf Network.

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That is a really tough course.

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I mean to finish maybe fourth or fifth that would get you.

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You've got to shoot 60.

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What are you shooting, dan?

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Not me.

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Let's say it's a long one.

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David says, hey, do you want to come to Florida next week?

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And it was Saturday and I had just taken a job sharpening hockey skates in Sudbury, ontario, home of the Blueberry Bulldogs.

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And so, no joke, this is 2005.

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I'm 25, um, I'm at home, I'm eating a bowl of cereal, the phone rings.

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My dad says hey, david's on the phone.

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So I pick up the phone.

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It's 8 30, I gotta work at like 10 am, uh, sharpening skates, and uh, he goes, can you meet me in florida?

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And I was like, yeah, yeah, sure, like, when he said, oh, next week, so I'm like it's Saturday morning, so I'm like you mean, you mean like in two days he goes.

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Yeah, there's like a.

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At the time it was called the Funai Classic, it was at Disney, and long and the short, I just the next day I flew down to Florida.

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So I, I, I worked that shift and then the guy who owned the sports store I was working at was actually one of the guys who sponsored me to play some mini tour events.

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So he was.

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He totally knew my heart was in golf.

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So when I told him I was going to go, like I can go away for a few weeks.

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I did that one.

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I did the Funai in 2000,.

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Like it's actually 20 years is coming up this month, in our next month, in October, um.

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So I did uh, orlando, and then we went for the uh Katrina, delayed or postponed uh Southern Farm Bureau Classic in Jackson, so, which is actually I'm going to that tournament next week, um, just for, like a, a 20th year anniversary, b I think it's going to be the last tournament.

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I don't maybe I'm misspeaking by saying that, but someone I know within the tour told me that the that was going to be their last tournament.

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I don't maybe I'm misspeaking by saying that, but someone I know within the tour told me that the that was gonna be their last tournament.

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So I'm hoping to go back and play Avondale, uh, uh, which is where the Southern Farm Bureau was 20 years ago, anyway.

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So I went to those tournaments.

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David didn't do all that well, uh, he asked me if I wanted to then continue on.

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We went to Houston and he went to the q school, uh, to like I guess it would have been second stage of q school at that time and didn't make it to finals.

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So all he had was, um corn fairy status the next year and at the time it was the nationwide um.

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So yeah, that was the start of it.

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And then, once the q school didn't go all that well, um, you know, I think that our first tournaments in the new year were like in new zealand or australia than new zealand, so yeah, so that was that was like I'm gonna, I'm gonna start caddying, like we kind of committed to caddy farm for the whole year on the, on the uh nationwide yeah and that was, uh, that was a really long time ago, so that's what I kind of curious about, that Like it's like so you, just you, while you're out there, right, because you didn't end there, right.

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So like you're just talking to people and you create relationships and like golf being golf, you just meet people through the love of the game and like handshake and, you know, eating a runza with someone in Nebraska or whatever, whatever it is like you're just you're out there creating relationships, right and right, cause that it didn't stop there and that's golf.

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Yeah, no, a hundred percent, yeah, it's.

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Uh, that was, that was like my first.

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Uh, that was my first time, kind of like understanding that you know what can come of it, Because you know you work your butt off, you work your butt off, you work your butt off, and then you're not really that good at golf in the scheme of the people you're hanging around with.

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You know what I mean.

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So, yeah, and I just my next job was a guy that David would play practice rounds with and I just my next job was a guy that David would play practice rounds with and got a lucky break headed to the PGA Tour the next year after counting for a guy who didn't keep his card.

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The guy, 48-year-old rookie, Jim Rutledge.

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His wife is going to be undergoing some cancer treatment in that next year, so he gets his card and it turns out that she's not going to be able to travel with him as much.

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So, bang, he needs, he wants a caddy.

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Yeah, that's how I got, that's how I got to my first taste of the PGA Tour, which is really, if that year doesn't happen, I probably don't stick with it because, like the nationwide wasn't all that fast.

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It's a grind like the nationwide wasn't all that grind, it's a grind.

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oh yeah, I mean the PGA Tour and like, see what, like these are the courses I watched on television.

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I didn't watch the the Omaha tournament on TV.

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I didn't watch the Kansas City tournament on TV and I sure as never on TV, yeah sure as hell didn't watch the Exuma Bahamas classic on TV in January.

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I was watching.

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I was watching a couple of Hawaii's.

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I was watching the West Coast Swing.

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My favorite course on earth when I was 17 years old and never even been to Arizona, was TPC Scottsdale.

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Before I even knew what Scottsdale was, the town, town.

00:16:03.145 --> 00:16:05.490
I was like in love with this golf course.

00:16:05.490 --> 00:16:14.530
Like I don't know how old was I Was I 14 or 15 when Andrew McGee got the hole-in-one there, bouncing it off someone's foot or someone's club?

00:16:14.530 --> 00:16:15.192
Remember that?

00:16:15.192 --> 00:16:16.514
Yeah, Really weird stuff.

00:16:16.514 --> 00:16:24.053
Like that's my memories of being a kid watching golf in the cold winters where, like yeah, that's interesting.

00:16:24.561 --> 00:16:25.812
Up in sudbury, like we in.

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The cool thing about sudbury is they have they have snow plows that clean the streets, clean the snow off the streets.

00:16:30.779 --> 00:16:51.351
And then we have plows like a snowblower that that goes and cleans the sidewalk and cuts a cuts, cuts a place for you to walk that's not on the street I don't know if that makes sense to you at all, but like that's how cold and dark and crazy, the yeah, um, yeah, that.

00:16:51.351 --> 00:16:53.639
That, that was my, that was my thing, like I used to.

00:16:53.639 --> 00:17:12.769
I remember every january, february, I'd watch, like the us, the australian uh tennis tournament, um, because that was always down there, because it's the opposite uh season, and then uh, and then watch that West coast swing and just wait till and then when the masters happened, the courses in Canada were open it was on yeah.

00:17:12.828 --> 00:17:13.571
Three, three weeks.

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The courses in Canada were open up.

00:17:14.863 --> 00:17:15.905
Golf season was coming around.

00:17:17.028 --> 00:17:18.392
What, at what point did you know like?

00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:28.261
this is what I want to.

00:17:28.261 --> 00:17:31.487
Uh, probably, I guess even after, even after that 2007 season with jim um, because I so started in five.

00:17:31.487 --> 00:17:40.727
Six was corn fairy, seven was pga, eight was lpga, and it was at that point where I was still just like not ready to go back, not ready to get a job.

00:17:42.369 --> 00:17:43.332
It's cold in Sudbury.

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Or like exactly like a real job.

00:17:45.375 --> 00:17:51.805
And then that was the time where I was not like I guess it was.

00:17:51.805 --> 00:17:55.508
It felt most like a job because you're technically you're caddying for this.

00:17:55.508 --> 00:18:08.971
I mean, my experience on the ladies tour was, if you were Korean, japanese or Chinese and you were between the ages of 19 and 22, I was your guy.

00:18:08.971 --> 00:18:12.263
So I'm not.

00:18:12.263 --> 00:18:12.705
You know what I mean.

00:18:12.705 --> 00:18:15.609
Like you know, there's not a lot of conversation on the course.

00:18:15.609 --> 00:18:21.891
It's 187 yards, two hybrid, three hybrid, whatever you know what I mean.

00:18:21.891 --> 00:18:22.451
Like it's.

00:18:22.772 --> 00:18:24.804
You know what you're doing, you know the player, you know what the club is, but you're kind of working for their parents, whatever.

00:18:24.804 --> 00:18:24.976
You know what I mean, like it's.

00:18:24.925 --> 00:18:29.384
You know what you're doing, you know the player, you know what the club is but you're kind of working for their parents, really Like their parents are the ones who are there?

00:18:29.645 --> 00:18:32.546
Yeah, they're the ones paying you, yeah.

00:18:32.807 --> 00:18:36.347
Yes, and this was the first time I wasn't counting for someone who was my.

00:18:36.347 --> 00:18:55.628
I would consider my friend, like it was results that point when I started to take it more serious, man, but I still wasn't like, oh, I'm gonna do this forever, like I was just delaying being an adult adrian's got a question.

00:18:56.330 --> 00:19:01.943
Uh, he says what is your most surrealist moment um?

00:19:03.527 --> 00:19:07.414
so jason daylight podcast obviously yeah, well, I mean totally.

00:19:07.536 --> 00:19:25.630
But uh, staying in the present um lots of, lots of cool moments, the most surreal, um, um, maybe, winning, winning the first winning, my first PGA tour event.

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Yeah.

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Um, did win a, so that was the John Deere classic.

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This is.

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This is going to be a really funny story.

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I'm going to reverse to 2010.

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I'm caddying for a girl named Sun Young Yoo.

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She's um, she's Korean, she's a really nice player.

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She makes the match play tournament in New Jersey at Hamilton Farms Golf Club.

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Um, now, keep in mind like eight, nine and then now 10.

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So this is like my third year taking it seriously, beyond, like just hanging out with my buddies, right?

00:20:01.821 --> 00:20:08.823
So, uh, uh, we get into this match play tournament and it's like, not like this.

00:20:08.823 --> 00:20:17.683
Uh, you know, the match play tournament now is like where there's brackets and you play three rounds because everybody wants to watch you play and the other yeah, this was a lose and go home right away.

00:20:17.683 --> 00:20:18.506
Lose and go home.

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Um, there was no consolations or anything.

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So, whatever, we win the first one.

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So now we're into the 32, and then we're into the 16.

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And then, and then I'm like, I'm looking at, I'm like, dang, if we, if we win this next match like this is the biggest check I'm ever going to make.

00:20:35.349 --> 00:20:35.570
Yeah.

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So, and it was about that point, the guy I was rooming with I just thought, like you know, you organize, like hey, we'll stay for the whole week was an old guy, an older caddy at the time, if I was 29 or 30, this guy was 50.

00:20:50.876 --> 00:20:57.032
And Dan Wilson was his name.

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He says to me here's the check, here's half my room, but don't cash it yet, because if you win this tournament you're going to rip that check out.

00:21:08.487 --> 00:21:29.730
And I'm like, like, like I'm winning a tournament, like yeah, because it's like you know, think about it, though, like because when you get to friday, like when you're in friday at a normal tournament, there's still 132 or 144 golfers in the field, right, like not all of them can win, but now I'm down to like 16.

00:21:29.730 --> 00:21:32.548
So like there's only my girl and 15 other players.

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So we go again and we win.

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And then I'm like, then I'm seeing, like what first place is and then what?

00:21:38.443 --> 00:21:43.078
Like losing in the final and then making the semifinal and then winning the consolation.

00:21:43.078 --> 00:21:50.967
And I was like, oh dang, I'm so sure we get rolling around the weekend.

00:21:50.967 --> 00:21:51.709
She plays good.

00:21:51.709 --> 00:21:54.565
Um, I, I'm kind of.

00:21:54.565 --> 00:21:58.582
I mean, obviously there was a lot of matches because it was 64, uh, 64 golfers.

00:21:59.123 --> 00:22:09.506
But I remember playing in the, I remember beating Christy Kerr, which was she was, she was a bulldog, she was a bully, um, but you know what I mean.

00:22:09.506 --> 00:22:09.987
Like she was.

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I, like I said, I'm still new to this whole thing, right, so I'm showing up with a clean shirt and uh, and a good attitude and trying to do my best.

00:22:18.073 --> 00:22:26.493
And here's, like Christy Kerr is at the top of her game, you know, Um, but it was one of those where it's like, uh, I'm kind of, I kind of get animated when I talk.

00:22:26.493 --> 00:22:30.003
So I'm standing there, right, and Christy Kerr's like, yeah, yeah, just move off to the side.

00:22:30.003 --> 00:22:45.215
A little bit, like we were on the tee, I was outside the markers already, so I, like she asked me to move and I went like this Cause, we, we and she'd been a real, you know, real saucy, let's say yeah.

00:22:45.215 --> 00:22:51.825
And I was like, oh boy, so when you know, you know, in match play, I was not like going to give and let her walk all over us.

00:22:52.207 --> 00:22:52.568
Yeah, right.

00:22:52.820 --> 00:23:03.529
Because my girl's like not even conversational you know what I mean she wasn't like.

00:23:03.529 --> 00:23:04.612
She was the semis.

00:23:04.612 --> 00:23:11.450
And then we beat Angela Stanford in the final and Angela was probably at the top of her game as well.

00:23:11.450 --> 00:23:13.567
Like she ended up certainly winning the major.

00:23:15.760 --> 00:23:26.611
But yeah, so sure enough, I ripped up Dan Wilson's check for his half of the hotel because I was the winning caddy, so I paid for my roommates, like getting a hole in one Check.

00:23:26.611 --> 00:23:28.700
But it was just yeah, exactly.

00:23:28.700 --> 00:23:40.201
It was just weird because, like I got to be honest at that point I was not like yeah, yeah, I'm a good enough caddy to win the tournament, you know, or on caddying for a player who's good enough to win a tournament, right.

00:23:40.201 --> 00:23:54.209
But then, like Dan, who'd been caddying for if he was 50, he'd been caddying for maybe 25 years he's like hey, don't cash that check yet, just wait, because if you win this tournament and I was like dang, so that was like my I mean I don't know if surrealist is the.

00:23:54.209 --> 00:24:01.688
I've had a lot of cool moments in caddying, but that was like my first time where I was like I can do this as a job.

00:24:02.509 --> 00:24:04.051
Yeah, so have you.

00:24:04.051 --> 00:24:07.346
How many times have you told another guy hey, don't cash this check yet.

00:24:08.693 --> 00:24:11.406
Uh see, nowadays it's always like you're Venmoing him.

00:24:11.406 --> 00:24:15.190
You know what I mean Um.

00:24:15.730 --> 00:24:16.211
I'm curious.

00:24:16.211 --> 00:24:28.968
I'm curious on that because, like you didn't believe and it sounds like you were just like in that flow state, you know, the Bryson De de chambeau, like you know, just let it happen and you just found your rhythm, was that, was that it like?

00:24:28.968 --> 00:24:39.785
Because for me, like when I play golf, I play best, when I'm like it is what it is, I'm free, I'm playing free and I can I play my best golf and I'm not worried about anything.

00:24:39.785 --> 00:24:47.852
Like you might not have seen it happen, it being a possibility, so maybe that helped you capture that first one.

00:24:47.852 --> 00:24:59.115
And you were just like whoa, like no, I'm just going to go out there and do what I do and just live and and do it freely and just live in the moment Soul, golf and everything.

00:24:59.619 --> 00:25:00.766
We're soul golfers over here.

00:25:02.080 --> 00:25:05.526
I mean that's that's when I play my best golf, because I'm not worried about anything else?

00:25:05.526 --> 00:25:06.468
100.

00:25:06.468 --> 00:25:16.728
I'm that way when I, when I play and when I caddy, like um, people ask silly questions like is this a par 71 or is this par 72?

00:25:16.788 --> 00:25:19.622
I'm like yeah, it doesn't matter at the end of the day, doesn't matter.

00:25:20.763 --> 00:25:25.531
um, I gotta know how far that bunker is on one, like I'm just in my mind.

00:25:25.531 --> 00:25:29.038
I was just visualizing one at TPC Summerlin, you know what I mean.

00:25:29.038 --> 00:25:36.275
Like I need to know what the wind is and how firm that fairway is, and can my players, golf ball, get in there with whatever club they have?

00:25:36.275 --> 00:25:38.914
Yeah, and do they want to be more aggressive?

00:25:38.914 --> 00:25:39.460
Like you know what I mean.

00:25:39.460 --> 00:25:40.403
Like it's, it's, it's.

00:25:41.867 --> 00:25:42.690
It's shot by shot.

00:25:42.809 --> 00:25:43.869
And it's shot by shot.

00:25:43.911 --> 00:25:44.211
And it's yes.

00:25:44.270 --> 00:26:03.789
And I've been in certainly a lot of pressure packed situations where you're on the range and you're fiddling and you're making sure you got all your pencils and you're doing this and you're nervous as hell, and then you get out there and you're throwing grass and you're like this lot, you're talking about the lie, you're talking about this, you're too busy doing all of the little catty.

00:26:05.040 --> 00:26:05.893
To worry about it.

00:26:05.973 --> 00:26:33.857
Yeah, to, to be consciously aware that, like I, I'm in the final group and it's sunday and blah, blah, blah and um, yeah, so that is, that's a thing, and I I think that that that's certainly, um, something I learned playing golf that helped me caddying, um, but yeah, I want to say, like, maybe earlier that year I was maybe in, so that was 2010.

00:26:33.857 --> 00:26:40.807
I was in another playoff with that girl at like a regular tournament, but it wasn't this big match play tournament.

00:26:40.807 --> 00:26:41.830
I think what the purse was.

00:26:41.830 --> 00:26:56.981
The purse might have been a million dollars at this and now, keep in mind, this was 2000 and, as big back yeah, 2010, um, and I think first place was like 375.

00:26:58.044 --> 00:27:16.531
So that was like no, because normally um, now I don't know if side side I don't even know what side base is it was some tech company or something from New Jersey, um, but that Hamilton, that Hamilton farm golf course, was really cool, um, but uh, normally first place is 18% of the purse.

00:27:16.531 --> 00:27:22.517
So, like you know, million dollar purses yield 180 for the winner.

00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:23.319
Yeah.

00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:27.871
So that was kind of a cool one where they kind of like made it top heavy because it was match play, I guess.

00:27:27.871 --> 00:27:36.509
Um, but uh, yeah, I lost my train of thought there on exactly what we were going with, but uh, that's okay, we got another question.

00:27:36.569 --> 00:27:48.869
Yeah, good, uh, david, thank you so much for this says to know the rules of golf pretty well as a caddy.

00:27:48.890 --> 00:27:51.220
What are the most important qualities you need to have as a caddy?

00:27:51.220 --> 00:27:56.787
Yes, you do need to know the rules, but, as I'm sure you guys watch golf on TV, it doesn't matter how well you know the rules.

00:27:56.787 --> 00:28:03.055
The pro still calls for a ruling, the simplest, like your golf ball.

00:28:03.055 --> 00:28:15.634
You are taking relief over here and you, um, like it is a no-brainer, there's nothing like they just don't want.

00:28:15.634 --> 00:28:16.417
It's like yeah, so you want to.

00:28:16.417 --> 00:28:18.604
Like do you want to just put two over there now?

00:28:18.604 --> 00:28:23.001
Or like you can totally, but you get like you don't want to, I don't know.

00:28:23.001 --> 00:28:24.505
Just say your guy's not playing.

00:28:24.505 --> 00:28:27.411
Well, you don't want to be the one to be like, hey, like, you can do this on your own.

00:28:27.411 --> 00:28:35.151
You know, like you're kind of trying to be, um, his best friend or her best friend, I mean, depending on where I was in my life.

00:28:35.151 --> 00:28:45.484
But, um, yeah, so you obviously need to know and obviously, like, I'm always telling my guy like, hey, so when the rules of virtual comes, you're asking for this, just so you know.

00:28:45.726 --> 00:28:49.292
Like this, is what your plan is this is how you're going to attack this.

00:28:49.292 --> 00:28:51.603
Um and kind of a cool story.

00:28:51.603 --> 00:28:55.992
Um, I caddied for Miles Russell at the pro core tournament two weeks ago.

00:28:55.992 --> 00:29:02.528
Um, he is a 16 year old, like standout amateur little lefty guy.

00:29:02.528 --> 00:29:07.055
Um, so through, um, a vegas guy, jj jackovac.

00:29:07.055 --> 00:29:12.269
He knew the agent and the agent reached out to him blah, blah, blah, enter, kurt.

00:29:12.269 --> 00:29:13.432
I ended up counting for him.

00:29:13.432 --> 00:29:43.807
He pulls a t-shot, pull, draw, t-shot on number 16 and I can see it kind of going over towards the bunker in my in my mind, like I don't talk out loud, um, but I said to him in in in my head I'm like get on the ground now, like this ball, cause it's drawing to the right, cause I know there's a, there's a cart path over there, and B, there's like a fence and then it's a maintenance area and it's out of bounds.

00:29:44.269 --> 00:29:44.509
Yeah.

00:29:45.980 --> 00:29:50.500
So I see the ball land on the grass, but it takes a couple heavy, heavy hits off the grass and rolls across the path.

00:29:50.500 --> 00:29:56.726
So now I'm just, I'm just like miles, you're gonna, you gotta, we should hit our provisional for a lost ball.

00:29:56.726 --> 00:30:01.440
And uh, he goes, okay, cool, no problem about hits his five wood down the middle.

00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:04.962
We go up there and then I can, then we can't see the ball.

00:30:04.962 --> 00:30:12.028
So it's kind of like we're just going to see the ball and play it, but he's left-handed.

00:30:12.028 --> 00:30:23.375
So we end up on the other side of the road in like a little trench that's like a foot and a half wide and so with him being a lefty, he'd have to play the shot right-handed.

00:30:23.375 --> 00:30:32.843
Okay, so because I have the USGA app, I get all the videos.

00:30:32.843 --> 00:30:38.671
I get the videos that pump into my email or whatever it is, so I know he can play the shot right-handed, get relief from the road.

00:30:39.461 --> 00:30:40.892
Now he's back on the golf course.

00:30:40.892 --> 00:30:46.750
Now he's back on the golf course and then he can switch over to be left-handed for his approach shot.

00:30:46.750 --> 00:30:59.965
So we dodge a huge bullet because now he's got a sand wedge or, you know, depending a gap wedge onto the green, no obstruction of any trees or the fence or anything, because Did he know that rule?

00:30:59.965 --> 00:31:07.943
Well, so he kind of before he could say like, hey, this is this I.

00:31:07.943 --> 00:31:08.345
I kind of told him.

00:31:08.345 --> 00:31:17.840
I said, hey, when, when the rules official does come, you know that you can, you're going to get relief because you're going to play it right-handed and then you can switch over to left-handed once you're on the other side.

00:31:17.840 --> 00:31:21.050
He goes okay, good, I, I thought that was it, but I wasn't sure.

00:31:21.050 --> 00:31:30.684
So hence the the rules official guy comes over, and I think he was super I've been catching for a lot of pros and they come over and be like, hey, what's up.

00:31:31.827 --> 00:31:32.539
But, he was really good.

00:31:32.539 --> 00:31:37.922
He was really good to him because he's probably a 16 year old amateur and was like hey.

00:31:37.922 --> 00:31:39.067
So this is what we're going to do.

00:31:39.067 --> 00:31:41.766
We're going to give you relief here.

00:31:41.766 --> 00:31:44.847
We're going to skip the cart path like the dropping on the cart path.

00:31:44.847 --> 00:31:45.851
We're going to go to the other side.

00:31:45.851 --> 00:31:47.946
We're going to give you relief as a right-hander.

00:31:47.946 --> 00:31:52.067
If your ball is okay to play lefty, you can just go ahead and play it right away.

00:31:52.067 --> 00:31:58.442
But then if you need to take relief as a lefty because you're still standing on the road, then we can do that.

00:31:58.442 --> 00:32:05.270
But he ended up taking far enough relief from the path where his feet weren't on it anymore and ended up hitting it onto the green and making par.

00:32:05.291 --> 00:32:06.613
I don't know the rules.

00:32:06.613 --> 00:32:10.279
Let that be a lesson Go.

00:32:10.300 --> 00:32:11.751
follow USGA on Instagram as well.

00:32:12.365 --> 00:32:13.519
They post some really good stuff.

00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:29.588
Yeah, exactly Sign up for the mail letter, email letters and if you're in Vegas and you need a USGA certified club to be a part of Vegas Golf Network, is the one and I post a USGA certified club to be a part of Vegas golf network is the one, and I post a lot of the USGA videos on the network page.

00:32:30.290 --> 00:32:31.983
Some of them I'm like and some of them I don't.

00:32:31.983 --> 00:32:37.451
Because I'm like I don't want anybody to know about this because it's just going to cause more problems.

00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:39.486
But it's one of those things.

00:32:39.486 --> 00:32:47.160
I mean, you know the rules and you, you, you play, you can use the rules and you, you, you play, you can use the rules, and to your advantage in certain situations.

00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:53.553
Yeah, which is what you guys did 100 all right, let's talk about coyote spring.

00:32:53.593 --> 00:32:57.046
We had mitch's revenge and I have, I have some photos here.

00:32:57.046 --> 00:33:01.121
Let me, let me, uh, bring up these photos and, uh, we can look at here.

00:33:01.121 --> 00:33:02.825
It's beautiful beauty.

00:33:02.904 --> 00:33:04.809
It's in such good shape.

00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:09.505
It's the number four Beautiful hole.

00:33:09.505 --> 00:33:10.688
That's number one.

00:33:10.688 --> 00:33:16.445
Dan and I were talking Great opening hole, great opening hole in Cary Springs.

00:33:16.465 --> 00:33:17.067
What hole is that?

00:33:19.840 --> 00:33:20.702
That's six.

00:33:20.702 --> 00:33:22.547
Just beautiful out there.

00:33:22.547 --> 00:33:23.188
Beautiful out there.

00:33:23.188 --> 00:33:24.109
I got some videos.

00:33:24.109 --> 00:33:24.912
I got some videos.

00:33:24.912 --> 00:33:25.794
I got some videos.

00:33:28.628 --> 00:33:29.210
Padeos.

00:33:30.564 --> 00:33:31.607
Quiet out there too, yeah.

00:33:32.923 --> 00:33:33.525
Nothing out there.

00:33:36.291 --> 00:33:37.705
Uh, oh, there's Dan with his T.

00:33:38.791 --> 00:33:40.173
Squirty no.

00:33:43.087 --> 00:33:46.265
That one wasn't fat, dan was hitting it fat.

00:33:46.285 --> 00:33:46.746
Keeping an eye on it.

00:33:46.746 --> 00:33:54.911
No, that one wasn't fat, dan was hitting it fat Keeping an eye on it here's Jeremy Listening to Lincoln Park.

00:33:57.344 --> 00:34:00.731
Yeah, jeremy, with the big shoulder turn.

00:34:03.961 --> 00:34:05.003
Jeremy with the big shoulder turn.

00:34:05.023 --> 00:34:05.243
What is?

00:34:05.263 --> 00:34:06.385
that that's 10, isn't it?

00:34:06.385 --> 00:34:09.650
10, yeah, that is 10, yeah.

00:34:09.992 --> 00:34:11.954
That's where our balls were touching, not in slow motion.

00:34:14.721 --> 00:34:16.469
That wasn't in slow motion, yeah.

00:34:18.061 --> 00:34:20.824
I mean first one to pick up the team before it hit the apex, though.

00:34:20.824 --> 00:34:21.527
Yeah, yeah.

00:34:22.603 --> 00:34:24.585
And then here's Joe.

00:34:28.443 --> 00:34:29.706
There's Joe jumping off the ground.

00:34:29.706 --> 00:34:30.206
Let's see.

00:34:30.206 --> 00:34:32.532
Yeah, no, no, I think I stuck.

00:34:32.552 --> 00:34:33.981
I think I stuck down dude.

00:34:33.981 --> 00:34:34.963
I fucked up my knee.

00:34:35.443 --> 00:34:37.829
This one was this one was.

00:34:37.949 --> 00:34:38.590
This was a good one.

00:34:38.670 --> 00:34:51.804
No, this one was bad, that's right fuck yeah, one-handed finish adios uh, so that's some videos from us out at coyote uh, nice, nice pick on my video, matt.

00:34:51.905 --> 00:34:53.309
I appreciate you so much.

00:34:53.610 --> 00:34:56.478
I had one video and that was it.

00:34:56.478 --> 00:34:57.822
So I didn't want to leave you out.

00:34:58.563 --> 00:35:05.373
Good right if I, if I wouldn't have put it, you'd been upset I would have been like I was there, I was there, I was there, I was there, I was there.

00:35:05.373 --> 00:35:06.076
Yeah, trust me, I was there.

00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:15.994
So, Kurt, what's your thoughts, Aside from the questionable pin locations that you had the pleasure of playing yesterday?

00:35:15.994 --> 00:35:18.126
What's your thoughts on Coyote Springs?

00:35:18.126 --> 00:35:20.989
We consider Coyote Springs a hidden gem.

00:35:21.860 --> 00:35:35.668
Also I'm really curious If they had an event out out there like a tour stop, like what, how do you think they could eat it up or how would they would play out well why don't they have a live tournament out there, like I don't?

00:35:35.668 --> 00:35:36.349
Know, dude I?

00:35:36.349 --> 00:35:38.141
I think it's such a great venue.

00:35:38.222 --> 00:35:45.289
I know there's nowhere to stay nearby nowhere to stay and shuttle them in, but I just thought like just the size of the property.

00:35:45.289 --> 00:35:46.384
You know what I mean.

00:35:46.384 --> 00:35:51.061
When I first pulled up the driving range and the mac, the keying area was 110 yards long.

00:35:51.061 --> 00:35:54.909
I thought about the 13 golf teams and four golfers on each team.

00:35:54.909 --> 00:35:57.342
We want to warm up and then you go to.

00:35:57.342 --> 00:36:19.911
You go to some, uh, some range where it's super tight and, um, I mean, I'm sure it must have been a kerfuffle when, um, the lift tournament was here, the driving range at that, uh, they moved part of the driving range to the eighth hole yeah, so anyway I just thought I saw that range and, um, certainly a hidden gem.

00:36:19.951 --> 00:36:24.626
So I went with some, uh, went to play with some guys that I know who are members at Dragon Ridge.

00:36:25.047 --> 00:36:27.512
I saw a rebel bag with one of those guys.

00:36:28.661 --> 00:36:31.148
Yeah, yeah, eric Nielsen, I think, is his name.

00:36:31.148 --> 00:36:31.588
He's a cop.

00:36:31.588 --> 00:36:40.715
He's actually a baseball player, so he's a member at.

00:36:40.715 --> 00:36:43.302
He's a Henderson cop, and so the two other guys are members there as well.

00:36:43.302 --> 00:36:52.014
So we drove out and they love going out and playing when it's their overseed time there, right?

00:36:52.034 --> 00:36:52.175
Yeah.

00:36:52.780 --> 00:36:53.784
But for $79,.

00:36:53.784 --> 00:36:54.766
What a green.

00:36:54.907 --> 00:36:55.628
It's a steal.

00:36:55.628 --> 00:36:58.324
It's a steal, it's an absolute steal.

00:36:58.465 --> 00:37:00.364
So Hidden Gem, I'm in on the Hidden Gem.

00:37:00.364 --> 00:37:04.427
So people are like, oh, you live in Vegas.

00:37:04.427 --> 00:37:12.701
Yeah, every time I go, are I go and play this course and cascada, yeah, and okay, we heard of that one yet, and then this one, and then, uh, coyote springs.

00:37:12.701 --> 00:37:23.485
And I'm like man, like I think I've been in vegas like six years this was a couple years ago and I'm like I've never heard of that course, yeah, and I don't think it's in Las Vegas.

00:37:23.485 --> 00:37:24.967
And they're saying it's so amazing.

00:37:24.967 --> 00:37:31.474
I'm like the ones that are they're amazing to talk about are like Shadow or the Summit or something like that.

00:37:31.474 --> 00:37:33.657
I'm like what are these people talking about?

00:37:33.657 --> 00:37:35.449
Like where is this course?

00:37:35.449 --> 00:37:44.364
And then now, now it's been so and I'll go back 100% I was sad to miss the tournament, the VGN tournament, obviously.

00:37:44.364 --> 00:37:47.809
Did they?

00:37:47.809 --> 00:37:50.271
Did Trey shoot with his low score there?

00:37:50.271 --> 00:37:51.853
Did that come from the back tees?

00:37:52.333 --> 00:37:59.644
Yeah, that was from the back tees, yeah, yeah, and then he shot 20 more strokes.

00:38:00.226 --> 00:38:02.050
Yeah, mitch's 71-93.

00:38:06.128 --> 00:38:11.543
Yeah, For what Joe was saying do the PGA Tour.

00:38:11.563 --> 00:38:12.465
guys tear that place up.

00:38:12.465 --> 00:38:14.568
Well, you can certainly put some locations.

00:38:14.568 --> 00:38:18.315
You can speed up the greens Small shells.

00:38:18.315 --> 00:38:25.365
I know the carnival pin locations for your event on Sunday and my casual fun round on Monday.

00:38:27.650 --> 00:38:36.128
But Is that the most challenging course in the Las Vegas area for the pros?

00:38:41.385 --> 00:38:53.222
considering I've only I've only really seen the pros play like I get what you're saying, like I should know the, but I I only really know they've played summerland shadow they lit up oh yeah, you know what they did.

00:38:53.222 --> 00:38:55.534
They played shadow and they played they lit up the summit.

00:38:55.574 --> 00:39:04.431
Corn corn fairy was at piute, but they destroyed it um I think we're also played so high back in the day.

00:39:04.873 --> 00:39:08.306
Yeah, um, and like none of them were like crazy challenges.

00:39:08.487 --> 00:39:27.403
I'm just curious if that's their most challenging test in las vegas I think so because if you, if you grow the grass and and uh, like I saw matt on on monday before I went out there and uh, he was like yeah, there's no, like there's no flat lies, um, and I would agree with that like there was a couple times.

00:39:27.403 --> 00:39:37.231
Uh, I think on the number one hole is like we drive out, there's like a bunker all up the right and then anyway, I was like not that one.

00:39:37.791 --> 00:39:39.981
No, yeah, don't play, let me bring that one up again.

00:39:40.021 --> 00:39:42.106
Hang on a a second Swing and side.

00:39:42.407 --> 00:39:45.253
I did win second in my division in Vegas.

00:39:45.253 --> 00:39:45.673
Pop-tart Work.

00:39:47.521 --> 00:39:50.208
But yeah, yes, exactly there you go.

00:39:50.208 --> 00:39:55.068
Yeah, so I don't know, I may have been playing that lower deck, I played the blues.

00:39:55.068 --> 00:40:09.695
I played the blues with my buddies, but yeah, I had a seven iron in, but the ball was below my feet to the tune of, like I better start this at the right edge of the green and, um, it's not really a common thing, like most.

00:40:09.695 --> 00:40:15.666
So I think that would be a big thing for the pros would be the undulations in the side slopes and the fairways.

00:40:15.666 --> 00:40:23.753
So if you get the greens firm and you can grow some rough around the greens which sounds like there's no shortage of water out there that would be a beast of a course.

00:40:23.753 --> 00:40:23.974
Yeah.

00:40:27.043 --> 00:40:27.960
What's the yardage in the?

00:40:28.001 --> 00:40:28.242
back.

00:40:28.242 --> 00:40:30.208
Was it 74 or 57?

00:40:32.664 --> 00:40:34.427
They had us play it at 76.

00:40:35.054 --> 00:40:36.751
It was probably 75.

00:40:37.034 --> 00:40:39.146
Yeah, 75 is respectable.

00:40:40.884 --> 00:40:41.547
Yeah, nice track.

00:40:43.621 --> 00:40:59.682
I'd go back in a heartbeat, for sure um one of the best deals in in the valley yeah, especially right now, because there's so many courses that are, are, uh, you know, either car path only or shut down for another couple weeks right doing overseeding.

00:40:59.804 --> 00:41:08.925
So it's, it's a great, great deal while we're on the topic of mitch's revenge, um, is mitch a dog or a coyote?

00:41:08.965 --> 00:41:11.190
yeah, a dog yeah, when they were building the course.

00:41:11.190 --> 00:41:34.945
Uh, somebody had stranded a dog out in the desert on the highway and he made his way to the golf course and hung out with everybody while they were building the course, and so he just kind of became their little mascot okay, gotcha yeah, also rumor is the second course might be coming soon, which was a pete die jack nicholas collab design.

00:41:35.746 --> 00:41:36.788
We'll see if that happens.

00:41:37.409 --> 00:41:45.945
Hopefully it happens, I hope so, I hope so okay, it probably won't, but I hope you guys have been there a bunch right.

00:41:46.947 --> 00:41:47.088
Yeah.

00:41:47.619 --> 00:41:54.809
Okay, so when you're driving to the driving range or you're about to, you saw the poles On the right side.

00:41:54.809 --> 00:41:56.244
Are those there all the time?

00:41:56.820 --> 00:41:57.583
Yeah, that was.

00:41:57.583 --> 00:42:00.146
That's the Pete Dye course.

00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:03.449
Yeah, that's the 18th hole on the second course.

00:42:03.489 --> 00:42:16.291
Design the putting green that you practice on yeah that was the 18th green they used to have a model in the in the little clubhouse that showed the other course, but it's gone now gotcha well.

00:42:16.313 --> 00:42:17.641
How long have the polls been up then?

00:42:19.146 --> 00:42:20.188
since the course.

00:42:20.208 --> 00:42:22.012
Yeah, oh, gotcha, so it wasn't.

00:42:22.012 --> 00:42:23.724
They didn't put them up last year, to no?

00:42:23.784 --> 00:42:25.730
No, no, no, they haven't been there.

00:42:26.981 --> 00:42:28.748
There is a lot of activity out there.

00:42:28.748 --> 00:42:33.222
Every time we go there's trucks and they're moving dirt and stuff around, so it seems like something's.

00:42:33.402 --> 00:42:35.791
There was originally supposed to be three courses out there.

00:42:35.791 --> 00:42:42.789
There was supposed to be 10,000 homes, a PGA training center it was supposed to be the palm springs, the new palm springs.

00:42:43.231 --> 00:42:56.690
yeah, three championship golf courses, a hotel, uh, houses, restaurants, shops, everything and uh, I feel like the way uh dan's dressed, uh, and they've got the dark.

00:42:56.690 --> 00:43:06.373
He's got an inside story about the corruption involved in the guy losing the real estate investment portion of the program and having to sell the course.

00:43:06.373 --> 00:43:07.373
What do you know, dan?

00:43:10.032 --> 00:43:11.545
I don't know, I don't know about all that.

00:43:11.545 --> 00:43:33.985
But, I do know for a while that development stopped out there because of water water issues and water rights, of, uh, water, water issues and water rights, um, I'm I don't know full details, but I think for a long time uh, clark county was really trying to get that water out there from coyote springs and coyote springs was like no fuck you, this is our water.

00:43:33.985 --> 00:43:41.806
And shit got tied up in in court and litigation and all the stuff for close to in the politicians.

00:43:41.867 --> 00:43:46.855
a would say and then yeah, so as of, what was it about two years ago?

00:43:46.855 --> 00:43:55.847
And they said that Coyote Springs gets to keep their water, and Clark County doesn't get any of it, so we'll see what happens.

00:43:56.541 --> 00:43:57.465
As far, as I know no.

00:43:58.019 --> 00:44:00.670
From when I was in the pro shop at Coyote.

00:44:00.670 --> 00:44:09.003
The dude that owns Coyote springs owns like 50 acres in downtown la and he owns all this.

00:44:09.003 --> 00:44:11.186
So that's my whole thing.

00:44:11.186 --> 00:44:27.471
Is is like they've been cleaning that place up a lot and my, my thought process is they're bringing out investors to see how dope the golf course is, because it is 100% of very dope golf course and they're going to be like hey, come play our golf course.

00:44:27.471 --> 00:44:30.548
Do you want to invest into the future of coyote Springs?

00:44:30.548 --> 00:44:30.869
And I.

00:44:31.481 --> 00:44:33.827
I think it'll come, but it all comes down to water.

00:44:33.827 --> 00:44:35.871
It's all water.

00:44:37.041 --> 00:44:37.983
Right, just like.

00:44:37.983 --> 00:44:44.237
Well, I don't want to get off topic, matt, you're the sheriff of the of the program here, so, but what about the?

00:44:44.237 --> 00:44:44.538
Uh?

00:44:44.538 --> 00:44:50.670
Capalua had to change because, uh, because of oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yeah.

00:44:50.731 --> 00:44:58.510
No capalua this year no capalua, no century tournament of champions yeah, but rob got a new location, or no?

00:44:59.293 --> 00:44:59.853
haven't heard yet.

00:44:59.853 --> 00:45:00.820
Haven't heard yet.

00:45:00.820 --> 00:45:03.626
Just, it's not going to be a Capilou and and it's going to be.

00:45:04.025 --> 00:45:05.949
It's going to be at coyote Springs this year.

00:45:06.248 --> 00:45:09.074
Yeah, totally, that would be amazing.

00:45:09.074 --> 00:45:19.338
Uh, no, I I have a feeling that last year's century was the last PGA tour event that's ever going to be held at Capilou.

00:45:19.338 --> 00:45:22.405
Uh, and there's a really good chance that course never comes back as a golf course, so I hope you got to play it.

00:45:23.548 --> 00:45:27.782
Ripcord Crenshaw legend Golf course.

00:45:28.204 --> 00:45:28.706
It's a fun golf.

00:45:28.706 --> 00:45:29.463
I did get to play it.

00:45:29.463 --> 00:45:30.527
I'm pretty happy about that.

00:45:30.527 --> 00:45:31.201
It was fun.

00:45:31.864 --> 00:45:32.445
You played it.

00:45:33.027 --> 00:45:33.769
Yeah, I played it.

00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:34.862
That's cool.

00:45:35.443 --> 00:45:40.250
Back in, oh god, I'll say 2015, 2016.

00:45:40.250 --> 00:45:43.605
It was pretty amazing, was that when?

00:45:43.625 --> 00:45:45.684
you were trying to become a DEA agent.

00:45:46.601 --> 00:45:47.666
No that was way before that.

00:45:49.103 --> 00:45:52.545
Way after that I'm a DEA agent.

00:45:53.141 --> 00:46:02.315
Wow, you know, you think you have private conversation with your friends but I guess not, hey and I didn't say DEA agent.

00:46:02.315 --> 00:46:10.775
I said I wanted to work for the DEA Big difference Not at all, oh my goodness.

00:46:10.775 --> 00:46:12.626
So what was your favorite hole out there, Kurt?

00:46:12.626 --> 00:46:13.561
Did you have one?

00:46:13.702 --> 00:46:16.568
that you were like wow, this is absolutely insane and incredible.

00:46:17.190 --> 00:46:17.771
I birdied.

00:46:18.380 --> 00:46:20.039
I had two birdies on par threes.

00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:21.806
I want to choose one of those as my favorite.

00:46:21.806 --> 00:46:24.606
Some beefy par threes, huh.

00:46:25.230 --> 00:46:25.530
Yeah.

00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:31.889
Yeah, it wasn't the one, it wasn't the long one, but actually the longest one was downhill and it was only a five iron, but there was a couple.

00:46:31.889 --> 00:46:34.005
Oh, there were so many.

00:46:34.005 --> 00:46:35.090
Good, well, that's the thing.

00:46:35.090 --> 00:46:41.010
After a while you're just seeing these pins and you're like well, if I hit it out into the middle of the green, I have this ridiculous putt.

00:46:41.050 --> 00:46:42.452
So I was just shooting at some pins.

00:46:46.596 --> 00:47:07.088
I think I'm so new to the course I can't even like necessarily say oh yeah, this hole here, although from the blue tee or I guess I played those black and the blues, it was about a 280 carry over it was somewhere middle of the back nine, a par four, where there's like a bunker in the middle of the fairway 13.

00:47:07.108 --> 00:47:08.652
Yeah, 13.

00:47:08.652 --> 00:47:15.306
So I teed her up, you know, an extra inch higher, and gave her a wallop and I carried the bunker and had a wedge in.

00:47:15.306 --> 00:47:21.668
It was the back pin back right, the back center, whatever you want to call it and landed on the back fringe.

00:47:21.668 --> 00:47:49.269
So I cleared the green but, um, spun back down to like 12 feet and, uh, I think that was a third birdie in a row, which was good because the guys I was playing with were, uh were up in the match, so that was I needed to claw my way back in the match we were having, so I had an amazing up and down from the bunker on that hole nice, almost hold it out, yeah nice I

00:47:49.309 --> 00:47:53.545
think that's what's so cool getting that on the green so we're going with lucky 13.

00:47:53.625 --> 00:48:02.929
We're going with lucky 13 there I think that's what's so cool about that place is like if there's a golf course that could change day by day, like in Vegas.

00:48:02.929 --> 00:48:08.760
That course can change every single day, you know, and it just breeds creativity.

00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:09.809
What they've been doing lately, too, is amazing.

00:48:11.563 --> 00:48:19.530
I don't know if you how much you were around the bunkers, but they they've let the grass grow incredibly thick around the bunkers.

00:48:20.331 --> 00:48:22.367
Where it's like you want to be in the bunker.

00:48:22.387 --> 00:48:33.489
Yeah, you want to be in the bunker yeah, you want to be in the bunker because if you're in the rough on the edges of the bunker, you're just fucked, toast same hole, kurt, during that tournament.

00:48:33.528 --> 00:48:36.324
13 with the bunker in the middle black tees.

00:48:36.324 --> 00:48:38.250
Oh fucking, pounded a drive.

00:48:38.250 --> 00:48:40.235
I was like god please be.

00:48:40.235 --> 00:48:42.902
You know I hit it too straight, so we get up there.

00:48:42.902 --> 00:48:46.492
I'm about this far past the bunker's edge and that longer grass.

00:48:46.492 --> 00:48:48.327
I would have gotten one more yard.

00:48:48.327 --> 00:49:00.155
I would have carried that bunker and been in the fairway and then I just had to hack a wedge out because it was like 12 inch raft, it was so deep yeah so deep, so close, love that place yeah.

00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:07.248
It looked cool, but when you get into a dance situation it's not so much fun.

00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:12.445
When it first opened it was like $200 to play and you had to have a caddy.

00:49:12.445 --> 00:49:16.228
The greens were like 14s.

00:49:16.228 --> 00:49:18.065
I had 44 putts.

00:49:18.065 --> 00:49:20.827
The first time I played it it was absolutely insane.

00:49:20.827 --> 00:49:22.927
You couldn't keep anything on the greens.

00:49:22.927 --> 00:49:24.920
But it's come.

00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:25.943
It's come a long way.

00:49:25.943 --> 00:49:28.413
You know from what they wanted it to be.

00:49:28.413 --> 00:49:30.800
Uh, same thing happened with royal links.

00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:33.692
They opened up, it was caddy only and and went away from it.

00:49:33.692 --> 00:49:38.782
But we're happy that coyote springs is here where it's at um.

00:49:38.782 --> 00:49:40.985
We're big fans of it, so i'm'm glad you got to play it.

00:49:41.365 --> 00:49:43.007
Love that yeah it's great.

00:49:43.889 --> 00:49:44.849
Oh, I hate finish.

00:49:44.849 --> 00:49:46.592
Too Great, I think, I think.

00:49:46.592 --> 00:49:48.193
I think it's a fantastic finish.

00:49:48.655 --> 00:49:55.018
I think 16 is fantastic, that's my favorite fairway on that course and you haven't hit it in like three times.

00:49:55.802 --> 00:50:00.485
It doesn't matter, you hit triple, triple bogey birdie eagle.

00:50:00.505 --> 00:50:02.148
whatever it is, is that the blind one?

00:50:02.148 --> 00:50:05.634
No that's the downhill par 5.

00:50:05.673 --> 00:50:09.045
Par 5 with water 610 yard par 5.

00:50:09.500 --> 00:50:13.768
Big old ripples in the fairway Muggles in the middle of the fairway, so cool.

00:50:13.768 --> 00:50:18.219
Yeah, exactly, it's a test man.

00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:19.923
How much is a pro v1?

00:50:19.923 --> 00:50:21.807
$18.

00:50:21.807 --> 00:50:23.150
$18.

00:50:23.150 --> 00:50:26.103
$18.

00:50:26.103 --> 00:50:28.610
Now that hole cost me $10 to play there.

00:50:28.610 --> 00:50:36.331
It was a $79 green fee, but that one particular hole it was an extra tax $10.

00:50:39.706 --> 00:50:44.043
I made a nice five foot trickly downhill putt for an eight yeah, that was so funny.

00:50:44.043 --> 00:50:48.246
Downhill putt for an eight yeah, that was so funny Nice putt for an eight.

00:50:49.059 --> 00:50:56.693
What the listeners should also know is that $20 for a six pack of beer.

00:50:56.853 --> 00:50:58.947
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, they do it.

00:50:59.179 --> 00:51:01.788
And the smash burger there is absolutely insanely good.

00:51:02.309 --> 00:51:02.489
Yeah.

00:51:02.530 --> 00:51:07.030
Yeah, and their breakfast burritos are fire too, yeah.

00:51:08.253 --> 00:51:08.492
Alright.

00:51:10.585 --> 00:51:15.088
And probably one of the best practice facilities in our area.

00:51:15.088 --> 00:51:19.146
I mean like public practice facilities.

00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.349
Yeah, it just sucks that it's so far from the clubhouse.

00:51:22.980 --> 00:51:24.764
It's an hour and a half from my door too.

00:51:24.905 --> 00:51:30.547
Once you're there the range isn't that far.

00:51:32.664 --> 00:51:33.706
Did you ever get to Prim?

00:51:33.706 --> 00:51:36.313
Did you ever play Prim Valley?

00:51:37.222 --> 00:51:37.704
Is it closed?

00:51:37.704 --> 00:51:37.826
Now?

00:51:37.826 --> 00:51:41.362
You're talking about it like it was a thing of the past.

00:51:41.503 --> 00:51:41.965
No I did.

00:51:41.985 --> 00:51:45.347
Yeah, I went during COVID Because wasn't it open during COVID.

00:51:45.708 --> 00:51:50.650
Oh yeah, yeah, that was my baby girl, if you will.

00:51:51.110 --> 00:51:51.311
Yeah.

00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:53.586
Always there for you, I will yeah.

00:51:55.623 --> 00:52:25.351
It was amazing because they had the two courses you could play 36 out there for 45 bucks, 36 out there for 45 bucks but they had one of the best practice facilities out here because they had the the big arcing driving range two-sided, but then they had they had two different putting greens and then they had a short game area that was two like 100 yard fairways that you could hit yeah, just go out there and drop a bucket and just oh man.

00:52:25.793 --> 00:52:30.206
So good Nice, and then pick up a Powerball on the way home Exactly.

00:52:30.728 --> 00:52:33.134
Yeah, everything's closed there.

00:52:34.043 --> 00:52:34.706
Right now You're.

00:52:34.706 --> 00:52:35.963
You're a Vegas guy now.

00:52:36.425 --> 00:52:39.023
Yeah, strawberry, strawberry shakes from the mad Greek.

00:52:39.023 --> 00:52:40.447
Yeah, there you go.

00:52:43.201 --> 00:52:44.646
I got to try one next time I go by.

00:52:45.166 --> 00:52:45.969
It's gone though.

00:52:47.128 --> 00:52:50.503
When I win the Powerball, I'm going to buy Coyote Springs.

00:52:50.664 --> 00:52:55.422
There you go, let's build a lot more courses.

00:52:55.422 --> 00:52:57.527
Kurt, Build more courses.

00:52:57.567 --> 00:52:57.927
Let's get in.

00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:03.923
We've already gone 53 minutes Awesome, I love this.

00:53:03.923 --> 00:53:05.329
Let's get into a little bit of Ryder Cup.

00:53:05.329 --> 00:53:14.306
You say you have caddied at a President's Cup, so you have been at an event like this, but not on the USA side.

00:53:14.306 --> 00:53:16.487
You were with the international team, correct?

00:53:16.487 --> 00:53:18.664
Have you been to Bethpage?

00:53:18.664 --> 00:53:22.039
I don't know if you're aware of this, but Joe has played Bethpage Black.

00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:22.822
I have played.

00:53:22.862 --> 00:53:23.682
Beth Page Black.

00:53:23.682 --> 00:53:27.833
I camped out in the parking lot over there.

00:53:27.873 --> 00:53:30.949
Oh wow, yeah, that's your part of that story.

00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:33.188
Have you caddied there at all or ever been up there?

00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:34.543
Yeah, the 2019.

00:53:34.563 --> 00:53:36.407
PGA oh.

00:53:36.909 --> 00:53:37.530
Cameron Champ.

00:53:38.661 --> 00:53:39.364
Oh nice.

00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:42.222
So you were on Cameron Champ's bag.

00:53:42.722 --> 00:53:44.043
Yep, I'm going to have.

00:53:44.043 --> 00:53:46.045
Yep, I can watch the YouTube footage.

00:53:46.045 --> 00:53:47.086
Man, yeah, that's cool.

00:53:47.387 --> 00:53:56.675
I started, yeah, 18, uh, a good chunk of 18 when he was on the corn ferry, um, and then he won Sanderson in October of 18.

00:53:56.675 --> 00:54:02.179
No-transcript.

00:54:02.179 --> 00:54:11.835
And then I worked with him through the 2020 Pro Championship.

00:54:14.043 --> 00:54:19.306
I probably lost $5 every week on him because I was betting on him every week.

00:54:19.306 --> 00:54:25.922
Yep, but he was playing man man.

00:54:25.922 --> 00:54:31.327
I wanted to see him win one of those back then and then he pulled Were you on the bag?

00:54:31.327 --> 00:54:36.204
His first one was Sanderson Yep, Were you on the bag then?

00:54:36.204 --> 00:54:38.666
Yeah, let's go.

00:54:39.148 --> 00:54:47.856
Nice, and then he was doing well at Vegasgas after, after, saying I'm swinging.

00:54:47.876 --> 00:54:50.746
I'm gonna have to go look and see if you're lingering in the background there.

00:54:50.786 --> 00:55:05.793
Yeah, you'll see some guy wearing a blue nike striped shirt and a sudbury sudbury jersey um, but yeah, and then uh, and then he won again.

00:55:05.793 --> 00:55:07.697
So he won his rookie year.

00:55:07.697 --> 00:55:09.643
He won his second start, which was sanderson.

00:55:09.643 --> 00:55:11.409
His second year.

00:55:11.409 --> 00:55:18.643
He won his second start, which was safeway in napa yep, um california winner yep.

00:55:18.643 --> 00:55:20.603
And then now pro core.

00:55:20.603 --> 00:55:22.184
Yes, now the.

00:55:22.224 --> 00:55:28.230
Procore and then, yeah, so that was the.

00:55:28.230 --> 00:55:29.990
That was September of 19.

00:55:29.990 --> 00:55:32.052
So, technically, we're qualified for the.

00:55:32.052 --> 00:55:41.882
Well, sanderson wasn't a master's bid because world golf championship China was, or Shanghai was opposite, so that was not a master's the.

00:55:41.882 --> 00:55:46.072
The 2019 pro core was.

00:55:46.072 --> 00:55:50.302
We're qualified for the april 2020 masters covid.

00:55:50.302 --> 00:55:58.280
Um, uh, so it gets moved to november and I got let go the day after the tour championship.

00:55:58.780 --> 00:56:03.170
Oh man oh no no, do you have a?

00:56:03.230 --> 00:56:05.193
caddy in Augusta, yet I have.

00:56:07.501 --> 00:56:12.929
So Danny I mean I'll tell all the good stories Danny Lee wins in the summer of 15.

00:56:12.929 --> 00:56:19.208
So we're Greenbrier and in a playoff we beat my buddy, david Hearn.

00:56:20.431 --> 00:56:22.766
Wow the one that brought you.

00:56:25.083 --> 00:56:26.788
So your guy was asking earlier about the real.

00:56:26.788 --> 00:56:48.411
That was like my first PGA win and we're going into a playoff with, like, kevin Kisner, um, david Hearn, and do you do, guy from Pittsburgh, turn on the blank, anyway, put it with his wedge on the back nine and made like two, two birdies or something to get into the playoff, four man playoff, um.

00:56:48.411 --> 00:57:19.467
And then obviously somebody had to win and I kind of felt bad but we moved on, moved on, moved on and it was David and Danny and Danny ended up winning, um, but anyway, so Danny, danny wins that tournament, qualifies for the 16 Masters and I get, let go the match play, the Dell match play in Austin, which is two weeks before, because it's like Austin and then San Antonio or Houston Houston.

00:57:20.503 --> 00:57:22.309
Yes, Houston open, and then the Masters.

00:57:22.309 --> 00:57:26.894
So he demolished a putting green.

00:57:26.894 --> 00:57:35.150
He demolished a green littered debris all over it with a divot and didn't go and clean it up on the last hole, on the 18th hole.

00:57:35.150 --> 00:57:48.043
So there I am like going over to shake Charles Wurzel's hand and I get like pelted with a divot and like dirt everywhere and I'm like danny, you should go clean this up.

00:57:48.043 --> 00:57:50.789
And he goes, he goes.

00:57:50.789 --> 00:57:51.431
You don't understand.

00:57:51.431 --> 00:57:57.280
I pissed off, like you know whatever he had to like tip in from over the green or, but god bless him, he's a hell of a golfer.

00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:00.547
And, uh, we had some crazy success together in five years.

00:58:00.547 --> 00:58:01.469
That's danny.

00:58:01.469 --> 00:58:08.164
So, anyway, yeah, so the crazy success together in five years, that's danny.

00:58:08.164 --> 00:58:08.585
So, anyway, yeah.

00:58:08.585 --> 00:58:09.708
So the the masters was, um, how do you say?

00:58:09.708 --> 00:58:10.048
It was a joe?

00:58:10.048 --> 00:58:12.193
You're supposed to fill in for me here with the word.

00:58:12.213 --> 00:58:16.724
It was an incredible experience no, it was an incredible experience.

00:58:16.724 --> 00:58:18.987
What I'm saying is like the rug got twice.

00:58:18.987 --> 00:58:21.972
Oh yeah, the rug.

00:58:21.992 --> 00:58:23.853
Yeah, you have a golden ticket.

00:58:24.054 --> 00:58:33.289
So anyway, Brendan Todd in 2021 messaged me and says, hey, can you get to Austin tomorrow?

00:58:33.289 --> 00:58:37.067
And I'm like, not really, but if you want to work together in the future, I'd love to work for you.

00:58:37.067 --> 00:58:42.684
And he goes okay, let me figure out this week, and blah, blah, blah, and let me figure out this week and blah, blah, blah.

00:58:42.684 --> 00:58:45.967
And then he missed making the weekend at the match play.

00:58:45.967 --> 00:58:48.690
And then he messaged me and said, hey, do you want to start at the Masters?

00:58:48.690 --> 00:58:51.032
And I was like, yep.

00:58:51.193 --> 00:58:55.416
Yes, I do, and at the time I went back and kept it for Danny for a little bit.

00:58:59.083 --> 00:59:01.952
I'm like, hey, danny, something came up, that's awesome.

00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:07.661
So you know it, just don't.

00:59:07.661 --> 00:59:09.065
You know it was meant to be so, but those were the.

00:59:09.065 --> 00:59:10.650
That was also surreal, like a surreal.

00:59:10.650 --> 00:59:11.972
Nine days I showed.

00:59:11.972 --> 00:59:18.030
I traveled on friday, showed up on saturday, watched the women's uh, amateur tournament and then we could go.

00:59:18.030 --> 00:59:28.235
Then you could go back to the caddy area, throw your jump caddy jumpsuit on and then go walk the course, cause you can't go, like walk inside the ropes without your jumpsuit on as a caddy.

00:59:28.235 --> 00:59:30.623
Um, so yeah, that was so.

00:59:30.623 --> 00:59:32.969
That was like a, so I call it like.

00:59:32.969 --> 00:59:33.530
There's the.

00:59:33.530 --> 00:59:38.331
There's the movie like nine days or eight days in utopia, or something like that, with the golf one.

00:59:38.331 --> 00:59:41.206
I think you four amateurs would know which movie that was.

00:59:41.206 --> 00:59:44.632
Yeah, um, you're the man, rob.

00:59:45.099 --> 00:59:48.847
I'm glad you're enjoying the story, so yeah.

00:59:48.847 --> 00:59:55.313
So anyway, I called that my nine days utopia only because I spectated in 2007.

00:59:55.313 --> 00:59:58.166
And I was like, damn, this is sick.

00:59:58.166 --> 01:00:18.351
So because in 2007, I was caddying, like I was telling you guys that off chance I got the caddy for Jim Rutledge that year and got to become buddies with Weir's Caddy, and Weir's Caddy was like, hey, just come to the Masters next week, Like you got the week off, we're not going back to Canada.

01:00:19.753 --> 01:00:25.873
So I did, I hung out at their rental house and everything and, you know, had beers at all the cool places you're supposed to in Augusta.

01:00:25.873 --> 01:00:27.606
Um, God, wasn't working.

01:00:27.606 --> 01:00:30.188
I wasn't, didn't have tickets to get on the grounds.

01:00:30.188 --> 01:00:36.965
But on Wednesday, one of the people who they were, you know, setting up with tickets came back at the house at like noon.

01:00:36.965 --> 01:00:38.246
I was like, hey, yeah, I'm done.

01:00:38.246 --> 01:00:39.900
Uh, I got to head out of town.

01:00:39.900 --> 01:00:44.025
And I got to head out of town and I'm like you've got, you've still got your ticket.

01:00:44.025 --> 01:00:45.347
Like you think I can go back in with it.

01:00:45.347 --> 01:00:46.429
They're like, yeah, take it, go.

01:00:46.429 --> 01:00:47.849
So I went and watched Wednesday.

01:00:47.849 --> 01:00:51.755
So I followed a practice, a nine hole, followed Weir for nine holes of practice round.

01:00:51.755 --> 01:00:59.061
This is 2007, right, so you know, just four, four years after he won.

01:00:59.061 --> 01:01:01.425
And then Friday afternoon I did the exact same thing.

01:01:01.425 --> 01:01:04.007
It was a guy went to watch Nice.

01:01:04.568 --> 01:01:06.048
A guy went to watch in the morning.

01:01:06.489 --> 01:01:11.655
Yeah, went to watch in the morning and then I went and watched Friday afternoon as well, so very cool.

01:01:11.655 --> 01:01:26.324
And then I can't remember where I was heading after that, where the tournament was, but I think it was as you go to, like Hilton Head is usually the tournament after, but my guy wasn't in that tournament, I think I was going somewhere else.

01:01:26.324 --> 01:01:30.740
But uh, yeah, really cool, really cool place.

01:01:30.740 --> 01:01:32.304
Like you know, like I was.

01:01:32.625 --> 01:01:52.786
I mentioned in my cold winters up in Canada, um, when the masters came, like golf season was on the horizon, so for me it was like, okay, cool, the U S open is at this course and this course I can remember what number, like I remember corey pavin winning at name the course in new york in 1995.

01:01:52.786 --> 01:01:53.949
Yeah, there you go, you know what I mean like.

01:01:53.949 --> 01:01:57.061
But oh, yeah, like number 13 in chinook.

01:01:57.061 --> 01:02:04.512
No idea what that hole was like, never caddied, it watched it on tv every 11 years or whatever the rotation is um.

01:02:04.512 --> 01:02:12.561
But the masters was like there was like pj tour events, the three majors, and then the masters was up here, way in there.

01:02:12.581 --> 01:02:15.728
Yeah, that's right, it wasn't even close um and it was.

01:02:15.748 --> 01:02:30.907
That's my, that's my dad's fault, for sure I think that's what's so interesting, right, right, like I mean we love the Masters, right, but like it's such a guiding light for like people like you that are in Canada or like Maine or wherever you are.

01:02:30.907 --> 01:02:31.481
It's like a.

01:02:31.481 --> 01:02:42.789
It's a, it's a moment in time where it's like, okay, golf is about to be back and I think that's why it's so massive, like we can play golf all year long in Vegasgas.

01:02:42.789 --> 01:02:51.411
But like, right, for the rest of the world that lives in like colder climates, it's like, okay, we get all seasons coming to an end soon.

01:02:51.452 --> 01:02:58.722
That's why it's officially spring and that's why the masters hit so hard because half of the golfing community is like yo.

01:02:58.722 --> 01:03:01.949
The masters is back, we're watching the Masters and then we get to go play golf.

01:03:02.670 --> 01:03:05.726
Yeah, 100%, 100%.

01:03:05.726 --> 01:03:10.510
But yeah, I don't know where you wanted to go with this, matt.

01:03:11.784 --> 01:03:20.831
Well, we were talking about Beth Page, but I want to get in some live golf too, because that's an important part of what you've been doing.

01:03:21.677 --> 01:03:22.300
Really cool.

01:03:22.300 --> 01:03:24.760
Really, let's go back to the masters just real quickly.

01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:30.570
The I mean obviously always welcome brendan's a true professional.

01:03:31.210 --> 01:03:38.610
uh, treated me amazing while I caddied for him, um, and then he, being a georgia bulldog, knows everybody there.

01:03:38.610 --> 01:04:02.068
Um, like all the green jacket guys who are members are like somehow you know like, anyway, it was just really cool meeting so many of the members Like and that's the thing is, I don't mean just like a spectator member guy, I mean like the guy would come up and he was like, oh hey, you know, meet my cat, you know, and I'd meet him, and then they'd chit chat for a minute and then he'd walk away and I'd be like, oh, you know who's that guy.

01:04:02.068 --> 01:04:05.045
And he's like, oh yeah, he's the… he owns Boeing.

01:04:05.045 --> 01:04:07.306
Yeah, he's the.

01:04:07.326 --> 01:04:07.947
CEO of AT&T.

01:04:09.481 --> 01:04:11.027
So there was….

01:04:11.027 --> 01:04:16.351
I know he was the president of the Braves, is this one guy?

01:04:16.351 --> 01:04:20.106
But his job at the Masters was like head of security.

01:04:20.106 --> 01:04:21.807
At the Masters was like head of security.

01:04:21.807 --> 01:04:37.489
So like, not like he wasn't in charge of you know, he wasn't necessarily in charge of making sure the person was scanning the badge correctly or anything but like he was like head of security at a different level than you know, just checking the badges on the way in.

01:04:37.489 --> 01:04:39.465
But that's what.

01:04:39.465 --> 01:04:44.423
The guy's a member and he has a task for the tournament too, right, so it was just kind of cool.

01:04:44.423 --> 01:04:46.690
It's like yeah, yeah, you know, I bring my kids.

01:04:46.690 --> 01:04:53.527
I bring my kids to baseball games and stuff and that's my, that's my guy I reach out to and I go and watch games and is in the box with him.

01:04:53.728 --> 01:05:07.039
Yeah and uh so um on to.

01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:08.443
Uh, let's get on to the um if you want.

01:05:08.443 --> 01:05:13.974
What was when you found out what was happening with the live tour and pga guys leaving and going there, what was your initial thoughts?

01:05:13.974 --> 01:05:19.686
Before going and working on on the bag for a player, what was your initial thought?

01:05:20.867 --> 01:05:26.175
um, I feel like I had enough, uh, enough caddy buddies.

01:05:26.175 --> 01:05:29.286
I mean, you kind of know pros, but you don't really know pros.

01:05:29.286 --> 01:05:34.320
Um, I was happy for some of them to get baseball contracts.

01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:47.474
You know, like golf didn't get that, it was like stay healthy and play well, or see you when you rehab yourself, after you come back and like, whereas like baseball contracts wasn't a thing you know.

01:05:47.474 --> 01:05:51.025
So I was happy to see it.

01:05:51.025 --> 01:06:04.445
I guess, you know I don't think I know of maybe, like some primo players, like maybe DJ might've shared his signings with his brother Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but they're really tight.

01:06:04.545 --> 01:06:06.809
So it wouldn't surprise me if what I heard was true.

01:06:06.809 --> 01:06:10.902
Um, that's cool, good for good for Austin.

01:06:10.902 --> 01:06:11.744
Um.

01:06:11.744 --> 01:06:18.342
But I also had a lot of caddy buddies who even a guy I roomed with, uh, tim Giuliano, who caddies for Honor Bond.

01:06:19.103 --> 01:06:30.597
Um, he didn't go over initially, but I do know that, like him, being away 30 weeks a year and having young kids was a real challenge on their family.

01:06:30.597 --> 01:06:39.318
Um, so I know that when it happened for him, um, I was pretty happy cause I knew that he'd a have some, you know, a bump in pay.

01:06:39.318 --> 01:06:42.184
A bump in pay, um, and then Honor Bond played nicely.

01:06:42.184 --> 01:06:45.737
Um, that his, I think, his first tournament.

01:06:45.737 --> 01:06:49.009
He was in a playoff with DJ and someone else at the TPC Boston.

01:06:49.009 --> 01:07:00.304
Um, but uh, anyhow, like so for me I'm just thinking about like how it impacted my caddy buddies lives, not like they got rich, but it was like so in that one one instance.

01:07:00.304 --> 01:07:21.405
Like so in that one instance his livelihood got a lot better, not just financially, he was home 14 more weeks, 15 more weeks a year, which is huge, when you back up to two and four, did you think I love your answers?

01:07:21.465 --> 01:07:25.849
because your answers are so specific to being a caddy.

01:07:25.849 --> 01:07:34.677
It's like I asked that question to 50 other people and they're all like, oh, the PGA sucks, the live is going to be great, live sucks, pga sucks.

01:07:34.677 --> 01:07:43.644
Your perspective is there's people that I know now that lives are going to be changed because of it, and it a small.

01:07:43.644 --> 01:07:44.206
Nobody knows those people.

01:07:44.206 --> 01:07:56.469
So I love your perspective, but I also want to know what you thought about the live becoming a thing like as far as in the global aspect of professional golf.

01:07:56.469 --> 01:08:01.222
When live happened did, were you like grind, yeah.

01:08:01.222 --> 01:08:12.411
Were you like, wow, this is crazy, or wow, this is stupid, or what were your thoughts on on live as a profession, as a, as a professional league?

01:08:13.072 --> 01:08:18.029
I thought, um, wow, like who are they gonna, who are they gonna get?

01:08:18.029 --> 01:08:19.434
Like, how are?

01:08:19.434 --> 01:08:23.381
Obviously there's just all sorts of questions like what, what do you mean?

01:08:23.402 --> 01:08:42.171
there going to be shotgun starts and there's going to be 54 holes and all these different things that it was just like it was almost like every, you know, every month there was like new info coming out and oh, this is hey, the first tournament was in England, right?

01:08:42.171 --> 01:08:47.988
Um, and then oh, oh, and then they've signed on to play here, and they've signed on to play here, and oh, new course.

01:08:47.988 --> 01:08:56.210
And and then you know, a player signs on and then someone's feelings get hurt.

01:08:56.210 --> 01:09:09.454
Um, you know, just silly, I mean, I personally I don't really care, like I wasn't, I didn't grow up like PGA Tour is the greatest thing in the world and anybody who wants to challenge me on that.

01:09:09.454 --> 01:09:19.587
I don't know if it's because I'm Canadian, but like I've got a bunch of hockey teams I cheer for, like I've got my childhood team, I got the Golden Knights now and I've got the NHL.

01:09:19.587 --> 01:09:22.170
Like I just like NHL hockey, just the NHL.

01:09:22.170 --> 01:09:24.011
Like I just like NHL hockey.

01:09:24.011 --> 01:09:29.476
So when it came to that, it was like I like my place in the golf world right now.

01:09:29.476 --> 01:09:39.827
Like you know, I had kind of just finished caddying for Cameron Champ saw a lot of success, kind of predicted I would probably get on with another player and have a bunch more success.

01:09:39.827 --> 01:09:45.590
That hasn't quite happened yet, but there is more tournaments coming up.

01:09:47.662 --> 01:09:48.966
But yeah, so I didn't.

01:09:48.966 --> 01:09:50.545
I just stayed away from the.

01:09:50.545 --> 01:09:54.609
Oh yeah, you know what the Saudis are doing the sport washing and all this other stuff.

01:09:54.609 --> 01:10:11.608
I'm like, if you want to have that conversation with me, like not you, but I'm just saying like if somebody, one of my buddies or something, was like you know a proud American and was like there's no way a tour's going to come up and uproot my PGA Tour, I was like I'm good bud, thanks.

01:10:11.608 --> 01:10:18.067
Like you're not having that conversation with me, you're not going to, we're not going to be in a debate and a fight about it.

01:10:18.067 --> 01:10:20.389
I just said I can't wait.

01:10:20.389 --> 01:10:23.551
I kept saying I can't wait to see what the next update is.

01:10:23.551 --> 01:10:24.632
I can't wait to see what the.

01:10:24.632 --> 01:10:28.216
I can't wait to see the next series of players are going to sign and all this.

01:10:28.380 --> 01:10:30.708
Was there anybody that shocked you, that left?

01:10:34.100 --> 01:10:34.603
Not really.

01:10:34.603 --> 01:10:41.529
Not really Because, like I said like and keep in mind, not everybody was getting suitcases of money, right?

01:10:41.529 --> 01:11:07.176
Yeah, I know that like specifically related to like, because I was on, uh, I caddied on the iron heads for kevin na and, uh, that was so danny lee's on that team and I spent a caddy for danny for close to five years um, probably five years over the course of seven, and you know, to watch him go and play.

01:11:07.176 --> 01:11:09.545
I think he went and signed and didn't.

01:11:09.545 --> 01:11:12.996
There was no like signing bonus or anything.

01:11:12.996 --> 01:11:14.494
He's just like I want to go and play.

01:11:14.494 --> 01:11:16.072
He got an opportunity, kevin.

01:11:16.072 --> 01:11:17.176
Kevin recruited him to play.

01:11:17.176 --> 01:11:20.198
Kevin said hey, you got a fresh start out here, let's go.

01:11:20.198 --> 01:11:28.099
And uh, he won a tournament, pretty, maybe not in his first, I don't know if it was in his first year, but he won a tournament like down in Tucson.

01:11:29.152 --> 01:11:29.956
Um yeah, so pretty quick.

01:11:29.956 --> 01:11:30.490
So you know what I mean.

01:11:30.490 --> 01:11:39.604
It was like he took Like I'm going to be, I signed a two-year deal for this much and when I'm done I'm suspended for who knows how long.

01:11:39.604 --> 01:11:42.458
So he kind of took a risk going and it paid off for him.

01:11:42.458 --> 01:11:45.896
He played well that year.

01:11:45.896 --> 01:11:50.612
I know he had some challenges this year, you know.

01:11:50.612 --> 01:11:59.997
Just being healthy and being able to compete is obviously challenging when your body's not 100%.

01:11:59.997 --> 01:12:02.291
But yeah, Do you?

01:12:02.310 --> 01:12:03.335
think it's sticking around?

01:12:03.335 --> 01:12:06.475
Sorry, do you think it's staying around?

01:12:06.475 --> 01:12:10.190
I do, just seeing how they're spending the money like it's.

01:12:10.190 --> 01:12:11.896
It's crazy.

01:12:11.896 --> 01:12:21.154
When you're out there you hear the crazy numbers of oh yeah, this Like there's the PIF, public Investment Fund and apparently they manage $900 billion.

01:12:21.274 --> 01:12:22.173
Got a lot of dough.

01:12:22.173 --> 01:12:23.395
They got a lot of dough Something something.

01:12:23.814 --> 01:12:23.994
So.

01:12:23.994 --> 01:12:30.679
But that's just that PIF thing, like apparently the way they're making money with the oil like that.

01:12:30.679 --> 01:12:33.841
Aramco company is also involved in sponsoring them.

01:12:33.841 --> 01:12:41.645
A lot of those tournaments have like the Aramco logo there and, um, yeah, I don't think it's going anywhere.

01:12:41.645 --> 01:12:42.987
They really don't.

01:12:42.987 --> 01:12:44.528
Um there, obviously this.

01:12:44.528 --> 01:12:54.095
So this new thing where like uh, I guess Bryson's contracts up and maybe Kepka and but yeah, that'll be interesting, I mean to see what they think that they're worth.

01:12:54.155 --> 01:12:56.219
Like Bryson's making a bit of a name for himself.

01:12:56.219 --> 01:13:01.398
I'm sure the PGA tour would love to have him back, but who was the golfer recently that?

01:13:01.398 --> 01:13:08.500
Uh, they, they told him he was suspended, um you're talking about uh Wesley.

01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:08.980
Bryan, yeah.

01:13:08.980 --> 01:13:09.601
So so what?

01:13:09.601 --> 01:13:11.545
Yeah, wesley Bryan was, yeah, he got.

01:13:11.545 --> 01:13:21.435
He got suspended by the tour, but I think it was a pga tour like it was.

01:13:21.435 --> 01:13:33.795
Um, I know wesley brian is obviously a tour player, but um, he went like he played live and I think it was I think it was hudson swafford he played, got kind of not not kicked off the team but like didn't keep his, but he was still in the contract.

01:13:33.795 --> 01:13:45.610
So he played a couple years as in, as a wild card I think they call them um like as an individual, and so that that ran out and he wasn't, you know, lighting up the tour.

01:13:45.610 --> 01:13:50.381
So I feel like he's now like said, hey, I'd like to go to q school or something.

01:13:50.381 --> 01:13:53.475
The tour is like no, you're suspended for like five, five years or something.

01:13:54.037 --> 01:13:55.621
I just saw him recently.

01:13:57.189 --> 01:13:57.712
Yeah, when he left.

01:13:57.712 --> 01:14:04.158
When he left is maybe like when the suspension started or something, so he may only have two more years on it.

01:14:04.158 --> 01:14:09.774
But yeah, just kind of like you can't like, can you now tell Bryson?

01:14:09.774 --> 01:14:12.041
Oh yeah, you know what, don't do that.

01:14:12.041 --> 01:14:22.158
We'll give you your media rights or whatever Bryson's beef is with the tour, because now he's like an absolute legend, yeah he's the YouTube guy.

01:14:22.158 --> 01:14:27.958
I'm hanging out with four YouTube guys tonight.

01:14:28.421 --> 01:14:38.658
Yeah, we're trying being out there between the ropes for a PGA Tour event and a live event.

01:14:38.658 --> 01:14:43.238
Uh, do you see a different demeanor with the guys playing the live events?

01:14:43.238 --> 01:14:56.172
Because you know, phil had a sound bite a couple weeks ago where he's talking about how, you know, I used to stress about coming to the tournament and, and you know, trying to make the cut, and now I'm just so much more free and it's so much happier just to be out there playing golf.

01:14:56.594 --> 01:14:57.295
It's the coffee.

01:14:57.295 --> 01:14:58.036
It's the coffee.

01:14:58.115 --> 01:15:02.002
Yeah, it's, it is the coffee, um, I don't know.

01:15:02.002 --> 01:15:08.494
Um, well, well, nice, I don't know about that, about his comments, that is.

01:15:08.494 --> 01:15:10.680
Uh, I don't know about that.

01:15:10.680 --> 01:15:13.895
But yeah, I guess there was a lot of pressure to perform.

01:15:13.895 --> 01:15:17.342
Now he's got a briefcase of money, that is.

01:15:20.774 --> 01:15:21.277
Do you see that?

01:15:21.277 --> 01:15:22.974
I know you didn't.

01:15:22.974 --> 01:15:25.359
Clubs need to be picked up off the ground.

01:15:26.251 --> 01:15:27.716
Clubs need to be picked up off the ground.

01:15:27.716 --> 01:15:30.975
Divots aren't the only damage.

01:15:30.975 --> 01:15:32.380
You know what I mean.

01:15:32.380 --> 01:15:45.547
Like there's still the guys who banged clubs before Liv, who swore out clubs before live, uh, who swore out loud before live, who MF their caddy before live.

01:15:45.547 --> 01:15:47.095
They do it on live.

01:15:47.095 --> 01:15:48.118
It's all the same they're.

01:15:48.118 --> 01:15:57.793
If I had one thing I would say maybe even some of the expectations are maybe a little bit offside because there's you're playing for so much money.

01:15:58.697 --> 01:15:59.179
You don't know.

01:15:59.179 --> 01:15:59.970
No, Like cool.

01:16:03.730 --> 01:16:05.277
No, no names, no names.

01:16:05.277 --> 01:16:38.282
Okay, but like we finished 14th, cool, um, I don't mean we like, I just mean a golfer and a caddy finished 14th, um, and you got like 300 and I'm trying to remember what that caddie made, that one or the pro made that one turn, but it was like north of 300, and I was like it was either 12th or 14th, whatever it was, and I was like what the you know, like this is wild, but I know like he can place money, yeah, had he not finished like bogey par bogey.

01:16:38.282 --> 01:16:41.800
I get that he's pissed because he didn't finish seventh or didn't finish eighth.

01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:46.577
But yeah, there's, there's a lot of good golfers out there.

01:16:46.577 --> 01:16:50.750
So, yeah, I don't know, I don't know, it's just weird.

01:16:50.750 --> 01:17:02.738
I just find that there's a lot of expectations that are a little maybe misaligned, um, with the amount of effort that's being put in to prep and be ready for these tournaments.

01:17:02.738 --> 01:17:11.938
Like you know, I I don't think dj is like oh shit oh yeah tell the guy to, yeah, tell the guy

01:17:13.019 --> 01:17:15.922
uh, can we have a can?

01:17:15.922 --> 01:17:18.865
Can, can the jet fly us tomorrow or we'll just go on Tuesday?

01:17:18.865 --> 01:17:20.712
You know what I mean.

01:17:20.712 --> 01:17:23.060
Like I still think he cares Like the guys.

01:17:23.060 --> 01:17:28.002
It's not like he's done his pro-am and he's back at like he's.

01:17:28.002 --> 01:17:32.702
He's back at the range, you know, trying to tweak his driver.

01:17:32.702 --> 01:17:44.601
He's at the, at the putting green, grinded, like I mean maybe not like he was back in his heyday of you know, just clobbering PGA Tour events, but they care.

01:17:44.601 --> 01:17:50.082
Like that putting green after a tournament or after a round is guys are grinding, guys are at the range.

01:17:50.082 --> 01:17:52.193
Like there may be a sense of a vibe, but I watched it for six tournaments.

01:17:52.193 --> 01:18:04.476
There may be a sense of a vibe, but I've watched it for six tournaments, um, and I was pretty impressed with how, with how they were, um, going about their business and like taking it seriously.

01:18:04.476 --> 01:18:11.408
So you know, like caddies are not, like you know, drinking beers at two in the afternoon, yeah.

01:18:11.429 --> 01:18:14.158
Um because their player has already gone back to the hotel.

01:18:14.158 --> 01:18:16.091
Like the players are.

01:18:16.091 --> 01:18:18.036
Oh, I'm going to putt a little bit, okay, cool.

01:18:18.036 --> 01:18:20.659
Well, the last shuttle tonight 6 o'clock.

01:18:20.659 --> 01:18:21.841
I'd like to go walk the course.

01:18:21.841 --> 01:18:39.036
Okay, go walk the course, whatever you know, because a lot of the courses I'd never been to, so it was you know, they were all new courses for me, which was fun because you can kind of get and not that monotonous is a negative thing on the PGA Tour.

01:18:39.036 --> 01:18:42.914
But like you're going back to the same course with the same guy, you know, and he loves it.

01:18:43.853 --> 01:18:48.975
You look at that win for the week and you're like, yep, this is exactly like last year.

01:18:48.975 --> 01:18:57.978
Like the Amex tournament in La Quinta that's been one of our biggest gripes all the time.

01:18:58.730 --> 01:19:02.179
Dude, throw some variety, mix it up a little.

01:19:02.801 --> 01:19:06.335
Mix it up Last Liv question for me.

01:19:06.335 --> 01:19:13.949
Okay, do you think the guys playing on Liv deserve world ranking points playing?

01:19:14.029 --> 01:19:14.713
54-hole tournaments.

01:19:14.734 --> 01:19:14.914
Top shelf.

01:19:14.914 --> 01:19:17.527
I'm okay, serve world ranking points playing 54 whole tournaments Top shelf.

01:19:19.853 --> 01:19:20.173
I'm okay.

01:19:20.173 --> 01:19:24.011
You're going to get the Canadian part of me I'm okay with.

01:19:24.011 --> 01:19:24.775
If they're not following the rules.

01:19:24.775 --> 01:19:25.498
They're not following the rules.

01:19:25.498 --> 01:19:33.055
I don't feel bad for Joaquin Neiman because he was grinding all over the world.

01:19:34.292 --> 01:19:40.402
All those guys I don't feel bad, for where were we?

01:19:40.402 --> 01:19:41.212
I think we had.

01:19:41.212 --> 01:19:44.001
Well, kevin played two tournaments earlier.

01:19:44.001 --> 01:20:03.426
We went to Hong Kong and then Singapore, and then a really good chunk of the players were going to Macau, which is like some little island off the edge of China next to Hong Kong, for the Macau Open, which was like one of their chances.

01:20:03.426 --> 01:20:07.280
It was like an international series event on the Asian Tour.

01:20:07.280 --> 01:20:11.841
So a little bit elevated purse and world ranking points.

01:20:11.841 --> 01:20:18.621
So every like, not everybody, but like Sergio went and you know you got all these guys that are.

01:20:18.621 --> 01:20:20.784
You know it's not a live tournament anymore, right?

01:20:20.784 --> 01:20:28.524
So like the caddies are, the caddies have been bunking up at staying at the whatever the Macau Inn.

01:20:29.150 --> 01:20:30.617
Like not the you know what I mean.

01:20:30.689 --> 01:20:33.019
Like they're not cause cause it's not paid.

01:20:33.019 --> 01:20:35.462
It's not paid like the live at the live tournaments.

01:20:35.462 --> 01:20:45.197
We're staying at the Mandarin Oriental and the Fairmont Residences and things like that, but it was just funny to watch the caddies make their plans for the next.

01:20:45.197 --> 01:20:46.238
Is your guy playing?

01:20:46.238 --> 01:20:47.239
Yeah, my guy's playing.

01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:47.661
He's playing.

01:20:47.661 --> 01:20:48.783
Okay, I'll see you there.

01:20:48.783 --> 01:20:49.564
What are you doing?

01:20:49.564 --> 01:21:02.164
I'm flying to Hong Kong and then taking the train over, whereas, like, if it was a live tournament, there'd be a guy there with an iPad with your name on it and you'd get in like a black you know black limo SUV and get dropped off at the Mandarin Oriental.

01:21:02.164 --> 01:21:07.354
So, yeah, just a wild Do they deserve?

01:21:07.573 --> 01:21:08.737
I don't, I don't really care.

01:21:08.737 --> 01:21:09.899
They knew.

01:21:09.899 --> 01:21:12.203
They knew what they were signing up for.

01:21:12.203 --> 01:21:22.622
They knew what the rules were.

01:21:22.622 --> 01:21:22.833
At the time it wasn't.

01:21:22.833 --> 01:21:24.840
Maybe there were promises made by greg norman or whoever that.

01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:25.800
Um, you know, oh, yeah, we're gonna do this, and you know there's, there's not.

01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:26.355
There's a lot of things that he said he would do in his career and he did.

01:21:26.355 --> 01:21:27.432
That was not one of them.

01:21:27.432 --> 01:21:34.828
Um, but, uh, you know, like joaquin rom de chambeau, you could name a couple.

01:21:34.828 --> 01:21:36.894
I mean kevka's Rom DeChambeau, you can name a couple.

01:21:36.894 --> 01:21:40.752
I mean Kepka's still, you know, still has exemptions from winning at Oak Hill.

01:21:40.752 --> 01:21:44.114
The guys who are supposed to be there are there.

01:21:44.114 --> 01:21:45.520
I don't know.

01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:48.854
Do they deserve?

01:21:48.854 --> 01:21:50.712
If they're not following the rules, they're not following the rules.

01:21:50.712 --> 01:21:53.054
That's the end of my answer.

01:21:53.074 --> 01:21:54.131
I love it, love it.

01:21:54.131 --> 01:21:56.038
How much golf do you watch?

01:21:59.555 --> 01:22:00.398
A sneaky amount.

01:22:00.398 --> 01:22:18.112
I will watch a fair bit of the tournament of the Ryder Cup, but like I watch especially being on live, like I feel like when I'd watch the PGA I'd get a better beat on, like who's caddying for who and um.

01:22:18.112 --> 01:22:34.990
But yeah, I mean even t's, I'll watch an lpga tournament if, like this buddy of mine is caddying in the final group or you know so, um, yeah, I don't know how to answer that question like in a, in a quantity, but I watch a lot of golf.

01:22:35.030 --> 01:22:41.519
Yeah, there's a, there's a weird amount of golf on in my house, yeah I got a question.

01:22:41.779 --> 01:22:50.381
So as far as like, like, when I played with you a couple times I kind of noticed the way that you approach a green and read your putts and stuff like that.

01:22:50.381 --> 01:22:59.939
Do you kind of use your caddy skills and experience to kind of enhance your own, like studying for your own game, like maybe reading a green and all to kind of enhance your own like studying for your own game, like maybe reading a green and all that kind of stuff have you?

01:22:59.939 --> 01:23:08.890
Do you think like you're a step above the average person as far as reading your putts and gauging the wind and the slope and all that?

01:23:09.752 --> 01:23:17.045
yeah, I would say, um, I would say that's certainly where I have a bit of an advantage.

01:23:17.045 --> 01:23:43.300
I think you know, like, just for example, like one thing I started doing and I can't quantify it because I'm not like keeping the stats for it but like Kevin Na, for example, he paced off his putts and if he was nine paces he putted it with the pin out, and if he was 10 paces or more he putted it with the pin in.

01:23:43.300 --> 01:23:51.962
And I thought I always caddy for, or I have caddy for players before where I'm like this is a challenging putt.

01:23:51.962 --> 01:24:00.493
I'm not saying it to them, but I'm like you know this 48 footer like, and I'm like I'll go tend it for you.

01:24:00.493 --> 01:24:03.078
And they're like no, no, you can just take it out.

01:24:03.078 --> 01:24:05.551
And I'm like fuck, like you know what I mean.

01:24:05.570 --> 01:24:09.961
I'm just like I'm like trying to help you like you, you don't.

01:24:10.020 --> 01:24:12.573
I just feel like 48, like don't, don't.

01:24:12.573 --> 01:24:18.134
If the pin gets in the way on the 48 footer and you have a tap in, okay, fine, you're not.

01:24:18.134 --> 01:24:31.492
Like you know you're not losing your tour card, I don't think because you putted with the pin in for a 48 footer, like um, but there's little things like that, like that's one thing going forward, like I've tried to do that.

01:24:31.492 --> 01:24:41.014
I learned from Kevin Um, yeah, it's kind of like uh, yeah, it's not like oh, uh, I do this, but my guy doesn't.

01:24:41.014 --> 01:24:45.078
Like I try and like what's the word become?

01:24:45.078 --> 01:24:50.283
Like not become them, but like implement somewhat of their routine.

01:24:50.323 --> 01:24:53.654
because that's like when I'm making money, that's what I'm out doing.

01:24:53.654 --> 01:25:04.877
Um, but yeah, mean I've learned all the green reading systems and, uh, I've seen lessons from all the coaches.

01:25:04.877 --> 01:25:21.953
Um, yeah, the other day, the other day at the carnival course, I even went like this once wow, it was a five finger and I hit a nice putt actually it was on the first hole actually, um from the middle of the green putting to that pin um.

01:25:21.953 --> 01:25:29.076
But yeah, so I've seen all the cool lessons from all the cool coaches, um who's the best putter you've?

01:25:29.095 --> 01:25:37.940
seen, uh, brendan Todd, not even close yeah, not, not even close like oh sorry that I've counting that I've caddied for yeah yeah, yeah.

01:25:37.940 --> 01:25:58.572
I think, yeah, I think, if you took the like shot length era, which could be let's call that, I don't know the last 15 years or something, he would probably be in the top 10, like every year he's been on tour, I bet you, wow, maybe eight out of the 10 years he's been on tour.

01:25:58.972 --> 01:26:21.024
But who you haven't caddied for best putter you've seen um good question, nothing, nobody's very all yeah, I, I've been in his group before, but maybe it just wasn't like oh my God, the guy can put the lights out.

01:26:21.024 --> 01:26:26.319
Yeah, obviously, Harry Hall's got some insane stats.

01:26:26.319 --> 01:26:28.796
He's a really good putter.

01:26:30.751 --> 01:26:33.679
He has incredibly soft hands for the big man, yeah.

01:26:33.779 --> 01:26:37.155
Yeah, yeah, I can't say for sure.

01:26:37.155 --> 01:26:44.122
Like I mean, I, I don't know, I've probably been in some groups with a hot like cameron champ, for example.

01:26:44.122 --> 01:26:51.654
Um, his win at safeway, like he was, he gained like everybody's like oh, he's just a ball striking jesse on the greens that week.

01:26:51.654 --> 01:27:02.913
Uh, for like in 2019, napa, he gained some crazy number like five, something like five on the field.

01:27:02.913 --> 01:27:06.235
I was like, and that's not normally his game.

01:27:06.235 --> 01:27:16.831
Normally he is, you know, the ball striker who lost a shot per round and, you know, finished 20th, whereas like four shots better.

01:27:16.831 --> 01:27:18.639
You know, finished 20th, whereas like four shots better.

01:27:18.639 --> 01:27:31.118
You would have finished eighth If Eddie putted just average I don't mean like gaining a bunch of straw, just putting average the guy would win twice a year if he just gets zero strokes gained or lost.

01:27:31.841 --> 01:27:33.342
So I got it, I got it.

01:27:33.342 --> 01:27:34.164
I got another good one.

01:27:34.164 --> 01:27:39.002
Who is somebody that's an absolute lunatic that nobody knows.

01:27:39.002 --> 01:27:44.041
They're just absolutely psychotically gone.

01:27:44.041 --> 01:27:52.037
We're going to have to get in a Ryder Cup at some point I know, I know this is too much fun I'm having way too much fun.

01:27:52.118 --> 01:27:52.760
I love this.

01:27:52.760 --> 01:27:53.322
I love this.

01:27:53.710 --> 01:27:54.693
Considering I want to.

01:27:54.693 --> 01:27:55.114
I don't.

01:27:55.114 --> 01:27:56.939
Yeah, it's a weird question to answer.

01:27:56.939 --> 01:28:04.735
I may or may not have mentioned his name already, but yeah.

01:28:05.371 --> 01:28:06.956
He could be a potential employer.

01:28:06.956 --> 01:28:07.698
Is what you're saying.

01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:09.635
Exactly he could be a potential employer.

01:28:09.635 --> 01:28:12.670
What was that last question there about Brandon Todd?

01:28:12.689 --> 01:28:13.331
Let me ask that one.

01:28:13.331 --> 01:28:14.011
We'll go to the rest, oh sorry.

01:28:14.011 --> 01:28:14.613
Follow-up question what?

01:28:14.632 --> 01:28:15.234
made Todd, so about brown?

01:28:15.255 --> 01:28:15.515
and tall.

01:28:15.555 --> 01:28:16.095
Let me ask that one.

01:28:16.095 --> 01:28:17.137
Then we'll go to the president.

01:28:17.137 --> 01:28:19.681
Oh sorry, what made Todd so good on the greens Mental approach to putting?

01:28:19.681 --> 01:28:26.875
Mechanics, repetition, or just a little bit of everything, mechanics for sure.

01:28:26.875 --> 01:28:40.327
Like I have a buddy who worked for Blast Motion, which is like that putting sensor that goes under your grip, and he was like oh, you got your, you know your, your buddy, blah, blah, yeah.

01:28:40.327 --> 01:28:45.180
I said yeah, yeah, well, if he's ever out at a tournament I'd love to love to meet him and maybe get the putter.

01:28:45.489 --> 01:28:55.820
Uh, so we got the sensor on his, on Brendan's putter, and we even went on the course where Brendan, like he didn't want to like just hit on the thing and he wanted to like hit during the practice.

01:28:55.820 --> 01:29:03.349
So my buddy came out with us, set up his putter, um, and brandon's like so what do you think?

01:29:03.349 --> 01:29:07.644
And like, just after, like the third green, my buddy comes over, he's like this is unbelievable.

01:29:07.644 --> 01:29:14.442
Like just the amount of, like the, the, the, that, because that last motion has it's about time.

01:29:14.442 --> 01:29:21.055
Like the way the putter goes back and forth, the total stroke time, the backstroke time, the forward stroke time, all these different things.

01:29:21.055 --> 01:29:24.895
My buddy's like dude, this is unbelievable, 98% consistency.

01:29:24.895 --> 01:29:27.177
It was like the windows.

01:29:27.177 --> 01:29:33.358
The thresholds that he was inside were amongst the best they've tested on that.

01:29:34.175 --> 01:29:35.992
I do have a question pertaining to that.

01:29:35.992 --> 01:29:45.615
Okay, which we would say how do you feel about the zero-torque wave, zero-torque putters?

01:29:48.154 --> 01:29:48.997
I own one now.

01:29:48.997 --> 01:30:02.340
I haven't played in one of the tourneys in a hot minute, but my favorite part of the lab putter that I have is that you can pick the ball up with the bottom of it.

01:30:02.340 --> 01:30:04.650
I'm not making, I'm not making a bunch more putts.

01:30:04.650 --> 01:30:09.345
I promise you um uh, but I'm the first to always.

01:30:09.345 --> 01:30:11.029
I'm the first to say it's operator error.

01:30:11.369 --> 01:30:14.676
So uh, yeah, of course always, always, I don't know.

01:30:14.917 --> 01:30:20.639
Hey, my answer to the question is just like when Liv was coming out, and it's like I can't wait to see what they come out with next month.

01:30:20.639 --> 01:30:27.770
As long as you have a Garson grip on your putter, then you're in good shape.

01:30:27.770 --> 01:30:28.895
Look at this guy.

01:30:30.555 --> 01:30:31.359
He has his nose.

01:30:32.052 --> 01:30:32.536
Right there.

01:30:34.073 --> 01:30:35.960
Use the code, feel the difference.

01:30:36.220 --> 01:30:36.600
Daylight.

01:30:36.600 --> 01:30:37.029
He's a good dude.

01:30:37.029 --> 01:30:37.730
I saw he was on your Right there.

01:30:37.751 --> 01:30:38.952
There we go, use the code, feel the difference.

01:30:38.952 --> 01:30:39.172
Daylight.

01:30:39.172 --> 01:30:39.592
He's a good dude.

01:30:39.592 --> 01:30:40.873
I saw he was on your podcast.

01:30:40.873 --> 01:30:42.935
Yeah, bernie's awesome Sometime over the summer.

01:30:42.935 --> 01:30:45.479
Yeah, he's a good dresser too.

01:30:45.479 --> 01:30:46.920
Have you seen him?

01:30:46.920 --> 01:30:48.322
Have you met him at the tournament?

01:30:48.322 --> 01:30:51.045
He used to be a model, oh, really Okay.

01:30:51.164 --> 01:30:52.907
Yeah, oh shit.

01:30:57.010 --> 01:31:01.868
He was an international model He'll have, like the white and blue shirt with the blue pants and the sharp shoes and oh, sorry, that's my bad.

01:31:01.889 --> 01:31:11.574
Yeah so, uh, but he, I think, mental like he, he just knew he was he would make putts and, uh, I don't think he would get too rattled that we're we're talking about B Todd now.

01:31:11.574 --> 01:31:18.536
Uh, yeah, so there was a lot of the pieces of the puzzle that he had right.

01:31:18.536 --> 01:31:19.118
It wasn't just only this.

01:31:19.118 --> 01:31:20.503
Like, he was a good green reader too, and he was also very candid.

01:31:20.503 --> 01:31:24.515
Like when I gave him a read, he said I love, I loved your read.

01:31:24.515 --> 01:31:34.578
Um, I just feel like I had to hit it too hard at your read and I was like so, but and then also like, good read, good read, like, so you know what I mean.

01:31:34.578 --> 01:31:42.958
Like some guys, some golfers, uh, are like, yeah, so, um, yeah, I just I got, I got too confused.

01:31:42.998 --> 01:31:51.618
My read was this and your read was that it's like he had it on like from eight feet, he had it on the edge and I had it two inches out, like they probably both work at some time.

01:31:51.618 --> 01:31:54.628
But like at least I was in the same ballpark.

01:31:54.628 --> 01:31:57.541
I wasn't telling you it was left edge and you were right edge, like that would be confusing.

01:31:57.541 --> 01:32:01.957
But like, yeah, so hit, hit yours, and then it's like oh, I thought, I thought yours was right.

01:32:01.957 --> 01:32:03.315
So I played it two inches out and I hit it.

01:32:03.315 --> 01:32:04.110
Well, you also.

01:32:04.110 --> 01:32:06.153
You also had to mark your three footer coming back.

01:32:06.153 --> 01:32:08.175
So how do you know, like you know what I mean?

01:32:08.175 --> 01:32:12.859
So then it's almost like, just like read your own thoughts.

01:32:12.859 --> 01:32:15.141
Well, that's why you got to be on the same page.

01:32:15.242 --> 01:32:17.104
It's like are you dying it in?

01:32:17.104 --> 01:32:18.465
Are you banging it in?

01:32:18.465 --> 01:32:19.105
What are you doing?

01:32:20.189 --> 01:32:21.957
Exactly, exactly.

01:32:21.957 --> 01:32:25.831
So there's certainly a lot of like.

01:32:25.831 --> 01:32:30.774
That's a big part of it, because even like Miles I said so like, let's get like Miles Russell, let's get it out of the way.

01:32:30.774 --> 01:32:35.518
If we, if you do, if you, if you never asked me for a read all week, I'll be happy.

01:32:35.518 --> 01:32:39.560
But if you do, I just want to like go over the, go over the basics.

01:32:39.560 --> 01:32:43.604
Like you know, if I told you, right edge, is that enough?

01:32:43.604 --> 01:32:46.086
If I told you, I see it's great, is that enough?

01:32:46.086 --> 01:32:46.747
Like what?

01:32:46.747 --> 01:32:47.908
Like you know what I mean?

01:32:47.908 --> 01:32:52.791
What do you because?

01:32:52.831 --> 01:32:54.091
But it turned out like he's like yeah, yeah, that's okay.

01:32:54.091 --> 01:32:55.474
And then it turned out to be like, do you like this pitch mark?

01:32:55.474 --> 01:33:03.644
And I'm not a pitch mark guy, I will line my line up to a pitch mark, but when the golfer doesn't have a line on their ball, it's hard for me to see.

01:33:03.644 --> 01:33:10.301
Like, yeah, just roll it over that one, because I use like a sort of a name point-ish system called Tour Read.

01:33:10.301 --> 01:33:15.938
So I'm like coming up with like 15 inches, 15 inches, 15 inches is what I like here.

01:33:16.759 --> 01:33:17.760
Have you used that app?

01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:18.480
The Tour Read app.

01:33:19.101 --> 01:33:21.085
Yeah, it's incredible.

01:33:23.029 --> 01:33:23.721
Yes, Ralph, who's from Canada.

01:33:23.721 --> 01:33:24.068
Yeah, Ralph Bauer.

01:33:24.088 --> 01:33:29.381
yeah, yeah, he was when I was on Team Canada when I was 18, he was the coach.

01:33:29.381 --> 01:33:31.733
Oh really, so yeah, he was.

01:33:31.733 --> 01:33:33.438
I've known him for a long time.

01:33:34.970 --> 01:33:43.505
I would love for you to help me connect with him and get him on, because he was on a podcast that I love called Sweet Spot.

01:33:43.505 --> 01:33:51.256
He was on there talking about the Tour Read app and his ideology behind putting, and it has changed how I putt.

01:33:51.256 --> 01:34:00.957
It is absolutely incredible His ideology on how he approaches the reads and it's unbelievable and I encourage anybody to go listen to that show.

01:34:01.250 --> 01:34:05.635
But I would love to have him on yeah, I can do that, I can connect you guys for sure.

01:34:06.229 --> 01:34:09.817
Yeah, because that app me and Julian, we're testing that app.

01:34:09.817 --> 01:34:24.953
One day I downloaded it and we were out at Club at Sunrise, which, even though it's in a horrible location, has some phenomenal putting greens, um and, and we set up like what we thought was a good there.

01:34:24.953 --> 01:34:25.635
It is right there.

01:34:26.076 --> 01:34:29.386
Yeah, it's pretty cool you can, uh, you can like toggle.

01:34:29.887 --> 01:34:43.838
You can toggle the distance, you can toggle the speed green speed, um, and then you lay this down and then you tap it and whatever slope you're on, so we set up like a 15 foot right to left putt and we all hit it yeah.

01:34:47.770 --> 01:34:49.479
It's a tinker's nightmare right there.

01:34:49.479 --> 01:34:50.795
Oh, dude, it's so good.

01:34:51.738 --> 01:34:52.365
Yeah, the average.

01:34:53.289 --> 01:34:57.052
I can't read what that is, but yeah.

01:34:57.173 --> 01:35:02.078
So we hit this 15 foot right right-to-left putt and missed it poorly.

01:35:02.078 --> 01:35:11.266
And then so we put down the tour read and it told us where we should be aiming and we hit that spot right next to the hole and I was like, wow, I mean, it's really accurate.

01:35:22.836 --> 01:35:33.604
Yeah, my favorite thing to do is like I have a perfect putter and I have a laser on my perfect putter and I like just two or weeks just to get.

01:35:33.604 --> 01:35:44.993
It's like a player going to hit a couple of putts and I'll put a golf tee out at what I think the read is and line up so I know that where I'm rolling the ball I'm not pulling it or pushing it or whatever Like.

01:35:44.993 --> 01:35:46.773
It's like not supposed to be putting on the greens.

01:35:46.773 --> 01:35:52.756
So when you use the roller it's like and it is unbelievable how accurate that like.

01:35:52.756 --> 01:35:56.960
But then again you have the variables of green speed and the amount of slope you're playing across.

01:35:56.960 --> 01:36:00.814
Once you're good at those, then you're dialed.

01:36:01.938 --> 01:36:05.045
All right, it's only been an hour and 36 minutes.

01:36:05.045 --> 01:36:07.457
I guess we can start talking about the Ryder Cup.

01:36:07.457 --> 01:36:15.756
I'll preface this with this question that you can answer, and you guys can answer it as well.

01:36:16.930 --> 01:36:18.136
Have you played Bethpage Black?

01:36:18.136 --> 01:36:20.024
Yes, I've played it.

01:36:20.694 --> 01:36:29.077
Team USA loses the Ryder Cup because of Keegan Bradley not playing as a captain?

01:36:29.377 --> 01:36:32.198
Yes, I answered Dan.

01:36:40.056 --> 01:36:40.798
European teams.

01:36:40.798 --> 01:36:41.742
They're better in that event.

01:36:41.742 --> 01:36:43.213
That's just it straight up.

01:36:43.213 --> 01:36:44.118
There's something about it.

01:36:44.118 --> 01:36:46.899
The US is cursed, jeremy.

01:36:48.952 --> 01:36:50.117
Not enough Garson grips.

01:36:51.210 --> 01:36:52.173
Oh, look at this guy.

01:36:53.478 --> 01:36:54.260
No, I don't know.

01:36:55.573 --> 01:37:07.533
I just feel like Europe always seems to be more ready and it's like even though they've won, they're definitely more enthusiastic about the World.

01:37:07.533 --> 01:37:07.635
Cup.

01:37:07.635 --> 01:37:14.817
It's almost like, even though they've won a lot more, they have a chip on the shoulder, it seems like every time it comes around.

01:37:14.817 --> 01:37:15.805
So yeah, I feel like they're.

01:37:15.744 --> 01:37:32.716
The have a chip on the shoulder, it seems like every time it comes around, so, yeah, yeah, like I feel like they're the, the European teams, like the blueberry bulldogs, you know, yeah, never lose, never don't lose another game, or the team falls.

01:37:33.212 --> 01:37:39.881
Yep, don't lose another game are you rooting for anybody in particular?

01:37:40.712 --> 01:37:41.435
Or do you just?

01:37:41.435 --> 01:37:48.176
Want to see good, as a Canadian, I'm going to get a shirt made that says I hope both teams have fun.

01:37:50.832 --> 01:37:51.699
Kurt is a soul golfer.

01:37:51.699 --> 01:37:54.055
Kurt is a soul golfer.

01:37:54.055 --> 01:37:54.738
I love it.

01:37:56.613 --> 01:37:57.917
I just can't wait for the drama.

01:37:57.917 --> 01:38:01.636
I hope uh, I saw like a clip of bryson going for the green on one which is one.

01:38:02.518 --> 01:38:07.760
I hope they move the box up, they move the box up, so it's not all the way back I hope he makes a hole in one.

01:38:08.582 --> 01:38:11.411
Um, yeah, I don't know, I just cool.

01:38:11.411 --> 01:38:35.735
I watched a flyover just and brought back some memories of the course what a what a course, um, and then, and then the fans, yeah, and then it just kind of like obviously this flyover there was no grand stands or anything, but I'm used to seeing the blue, like the pga championship blue, yeah, but, um, I did see ted scott's um sunday scott's sunday sermon from last week and the grandstands will gondola.

01:38:35.815 --> 01:38:40.680
So yeah I, it should be fun.

01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:41.520
I'm looking forward to it.

01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:42.360
Um, am I?

01:38:42.360 --> 01:38:47.704
I just have so many, like I've probably like three good caddy buddies, a caddy on each team.

01:38:47.704 --> 01:38:50.346
Um, yeah, I don't really.

01:38:50.346 --> 01:38:58.306
I would love to be interested in watching on Sunday afternoon, Like if it was close.

01:39:03.069 --> 01:39:04.636
I don't want it, yeah, yeah, I just want it to be close on sunday.

01:39:04.636 --> 01:39:05.238
That's all I really want.

01:39:05.238 --> 01:39:06.984
Yeah, like, like tide going into sunday would be great for for my viewing pleasure.

01:39:06.984 --> 01:39:28.905
Um, you know, like, if europe's up by five points or something, um, you know, even though you know the way the, you know, when you look at the chart, it's like there's blues and reds and all scattered throughout the screen and you're like, okay, well, there's, you know there's, and then there's four more reds, but they're just like one up and early in the match and it's like there's a lot of golf.

01:39:28.966 --> 01:39:29.770
It's so much fun to watch.

01:39:29.770 --> 01:39:35.078
You know, so much fun to watch yeah do you?

01:39:35.078 --> 01:39:45.150
Okay, I've played there, which is cool, but yeah, I don't know if you know that kurt joe's played beth page but yeah, it's, uh, it's in, it's on long island, right yeah, it is.

01:39:45.612 --> 01:39:47.536
Yeah, it is very cool.

01:39:47.536 --> 01:39:48.277
Great course.

01:39:48.277 --> 01:39:50.240
Uh, I love that place.

01:39:50.240 --> 01:39:51.743
I'm excited to see the course.

01:39:51.743 --> 01:40:03.644
You know, like, as golfers, that um, don't play on pga Tour or I'll never have a Ryder Cup invitation for me to have the opportunity to go play.

01:40:03.644 --> 01:40:09.619
That course is special and that's something that other sports don't provide.

01:40:09.619 --> 01:40:16.078
I'll never play on the ice at the Golden Knights in T-Mobile arena, but I've played Bethpage black.

01:40:16.078 --> 01:40:24.037
So that's what's so cool about golf is, I've played that golf course and I'm so stoked to see those guys out there.

01:40:24.037 --> 01:40:35.760
I didn't play golf back when tiger one, uh, for the PGA championship, but, um, I'm just excited to see it because I've been there and it's, uh, it's very special.

01:40:35.760 --> 01:40:37.082
It's very special.

01:40:37.082 --> 01:40:44.037
It's super historic and that's something that golf provides us we can go play the courses that the pros play.

01:40:45.282 --> 01:40:45.684
Absolutely.

01:40:46.251 --> 01:40:52.618
And I can't wait to see it and I just hope for I literally just hope for like an exciting Sunday.

01:40:53.239 --> 01:40:57.199
Yep, now I want a USA win, but I don't think it's going to happen.

01:40:59.386 --> 01:41:04.975
I think Keegan should have played 100% and I think Keegan will probably.

01:41:04.975 --> 01:41:05.819
They'll lose.

01:41:05.819 --> 01:41:07.515
This is my prediction.

01:41:07.515 --> 01:41:11.396
I think USA is going to lose and Keegan's going to have to live with that.

01:41:11.396 --> 01:41:15.462
He didn't play for his entire life, unfortunately.

01:41:15.462 --> 01:41:16.671
I don't want that to happen.

01:41:16.671 --> 01:41:17.453
I don't want that to happen.

01:41:17.453 --> 01:41:18.296
I don't want that to happen.

01:41:18.315 --> 01:41:21.402
You'd have a lot of luggage to not unpack, that's the thing.

01:41:24.110 --> 01:41:27.395
Can I ask you a question, joe?

01:41:27.395 --> 01:41:30.782
If Keegan says I'm going to play, who does he not pick?

01:41:31.483 --> 01:41:32.083
It doesn't matter.

01:41:36.250 --> 01:41:37.512
Colin Markhawa is a bitch putting trash.

01:41:37.512 --> 01:41:37.877
Colin Markhawa has been putting trash.

01:41:37.877 --> 01:41:38.456
Colin Markawa has been putting.

01:41:38.456 --> 01:41:41.439
Cam Young's fine.

01:41:41.439 --> 01:41:44.550
That's his home, that's his country, cam.

01:41:44.570 --> 01:41:45.534
Young is up there.

01:41:46.275 --> 01:41:58.791
The New Yorkers are going to be written for him, absolutely, yes, yeah, yeah, cam Young, that's his home country, but Colin Markawa has putted like garbage this entire year, in my opinion.

01:41:59.152 --> 01:42:02.097
I think you putter this week I didn't.

01:42:02.398 --> 01:42:03.420
Yeah, it's always new.

01:42:03.420 --> 01:42:03.780
It's always new.

01:42:03.801 --> 01:42:06.471
Yeah, it's always new, always new.

01:42:08.376 --> 01:42:12.829
The man I just think I just don't want keegan to feel I don't want them to lose.

01:42:12.829 --> 01:42:19.081
Let me tell you that I want usa to win 100, but I feel like I'm scared if they lose.

01:42:19.081 --> 01:42:26.699
Keegan's going to live with that for a long time and he should have played because he was playing out of his mind.

01:42:27.762 --> 01:42:27.943
Yeah.

01:42:28.685 --> 01:42:29.286
You know what I mean?

01:42:29.286 --> 01:42:35.903
Yeah, and I don't want him to feel like, oh, I should have played and I could have helped the team.

01:42:35.903 --> 01:42:40.898
He should have been picked last at last rider cup he should have.

01:42:40.917 --> 01:42:52.045
Yeah, absolutely zach johnson fucked him over yep, absolutely yep yep, well, it's gonna be a fun watch kurt thanks so much for coming on um, thanks for having me.

01:42:52.104 --> 01:42:54.314
I I kind of am really good.

01:42:54.314 --> 01:42:57.444
I'm really famous for saying uh, long story short.

01:42:57.444 --> 01:43:01.860
So, um, yeah, I don't know, sometimes I get going on a tangent.

01:43:01.860 --> 01:43:06.253
I feel like I only got off track one time today no, no it was great.

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01:43:47.671 --> 01:43:51.899
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01:43:52.310 --> 01:43:53.675
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01:43:53.675 --> 01:43:55.600
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01:44:00.923 --> 01:44:06.416
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01:44:08.560 --> 01:44:12.752
We are bougie on the hill all right, uh, so are you gonna make uh, legacy?

01:44:12.752 --> 01:44:14.457
Are you gonna make the Legacy tournament or no?

01:44:14.457 --> 01:44:16.601
Are you going to be here for that October 12th?

01:44:16.601 --> 01:44:17.023
Yeah, you.

01:44:20.030 --> 01:44:20.994
That's a good question.

01:44:20.994 --> 01:44:22.613
I'm on the fence right now.

01:44:22.613 --> 01:44:32.840
I mean talking to someone about maybe that's the Japan tournament, about going to the Japan tournament, Ooh yeah.

01:44:32.840 --> 01:44:40.599
I'm still unable to commit Welcome to my'm still unable to commit Welcome to my life as a caddy.

01:44:41.060 --> 01:44:43.395
Yeah, Are you looking to?

01:44:43.395 --> 01:44:45.221
You know, be on a bag full-time next year.

01:44:45.221 --> 01:44:46.104
Is that the goal?

01:44:46.715 --> 01:44:47.588
Yeah, I mean that's the plan.

01:44:47.588 --> 01:44:50.738
I'm going to as many tournaments as I can.

01:44:50.738 --> 01:44:52.823
This fall just to kind of.

01:44:52.823 --> 01:45:03.054
I mean, I've talked to so many people and oh, I'm just taking, like Joel Damon, just taking friends now and blah, blah, blah.

01:45:03.054 --> 01:45:06.623
He's had his coach caddy a few times and I think that would be a good, uh, a good option for me.

01:45:06.623 --> 01:45:14.613
Um, he's snuck in the winter circle at one of those off, um, kind of those opposite field, opposite field events.

01:45:14.613 --> 01:45:22.341
Um, you know, I know he's hungry to change that and you know that's what I'm interested in doing as well.

01:45:22.341 --> 01:45:27.685
So it hasn't worked out yet, but then again, he hasn't hired a caddy yet.

01:45:27.685 --> 01:45:29.765
So we'll see.

01:45:29.765 --> 01:45:34.332
We'll see what goes on, but yeah, the sooner the better.

01:45:34.332 --> 01:45:48.144
I have only caddied in seven tournaments this year, but six of them were on the live, so the lights are still on.

01:45:48.184 --> 01:45:53.537
The lights are still on and I'm still a member in good standing of the VGN, so you know.

01:45:54.180 --> 01:45:56.524
Yeah, absolutely, and you're in the finals.

01:45:56.524 --> 01:45:58.538
You got to win earlier this year and you're in the finals.

01:45:58.559 --> 01:46:00.488
You got a win earlier this year, so you're in the finals.

01:46:00.488 --> 01:46:02.454
Yes, unfortunately, I feel like.

01:46:02.454 --> 01:46:06.259
Is it not during one of the?

01:46:06.259 --> 01:46:08.092
I think is it not during Sea Island?

01:46:08.092 --> 01:46:08.855
What's the date?

01:46:09.690 --> 01:46:10.173
Oh, it's November.

01:46:10.173 --> 01:46:14.158
It's like November 15th and 16th.

01:46:14.479 --> 01:46:18.100
Yeah, there's a tournament in Bermuda, I think.

01:46:18.100 --> 01:46:27.440
There's three PGA Tour events in November, so I wish like if I'm not going there, I would love to go yeah 15th and 16th.

01:46:27.440 --> 01:46:32.381
I would love to play in all of them, but you know sometimes Gotta work.

01:46:32.801 --> 01:46:33.162
Gotta work.

01:46:33.970 --> 01:46:36.032
Well, I'll say this, kurt, real quick Sometimes you got to work, got to work.

01:46:36.032 --> 01:46:47.503
Well, I'll say this real quick If you know, obviously you're going to be, hopefully, full time on somebody's bag, but if you ever hear of anything and anybody gets desperate, you need an emergency caddy.

01:46:47.503 --> 01:46:49.947
You let me know and I'll fly out there.

01:46:54.153 --> 01:46:56.242
OK, so I was going to bring my services now.

01:46:59.909 --> 01:47:07.076
I wish there was a golf tournament in this town in three weeks because they certainly could happen Right A better, a better chance anyway you know, and then we lost the PGA event.

01:47:07.698 --> 01:47:07.997
Yeah.

01:47:09.282 --> 01:47:16.121
Wow, someone sent me a message saying that the the champions tour is coming, so they, they are.

01:47:16.201 --> 01:47:16.442
I had.

01:47:16.442 --> 01:47:17.184
Uh, yes, they're in the.

01:47:17.184 --> 01:47:17.795
The Champions Tour is coming, they are.

01:47:17.795 --> 01:47:17.811
I had.

01:47:17.811 --> 01:47:21.636
Yes, they're in the works of trying to find the core.

01:47:21.636 --> 01:47:23.376
I think they've narrowed down the course.

01:47:23.376 --> 01:47:33.297
They're trying to find the title sponsor to be okay having it here as opposed to Kansas City where maybe they're from.

01:47:34.231 --> 01:47:39.502
Guys, donate to Chasing Daylight Podcast so we can sponsor a senior PGH tournament, did you?

01:47:41.860 --> 01:47:47.097
guys hear of anything happening in January At Shadow.

01:47:48.480 --> 01:47:49.703
No no.

01:47:50.890 --> 01:47:53.539
Uh-oh, spill the beans Crickets.

01:47:56.613 --> 01:47:56.954
I think, my.

01:47:57.034 --> 01:47:58.152
Wi-Fi just kind of.

01:48:02.240 --> 01:48:03.913
We'll continue that conversation off the air.

01:48:03.913 --> 01:48:04.216
You know what?

01:48:04.237 --> 01:48:04.884
tour it can't be.

01:48:04.884 --> 01:48:11.596
The PGA tour schedule is pretty solid in January right, Except for one event that doesn't have a home yet.

01:48:11.596 --> 01:48:13.715
Right, and it wasn't that one.

01:48:13.715 --> 01:48:14.337
Okay, yeah.

01:48:18.011 --> 01:48:20.399
I feel, like some, you know't, I you know there there's again.

01:48:20.399 --> 01:48:23.489
I just can't wait to see what they say next week about the capital tournament.

01:48:23.489 --> 01:48:28.920
Like some friend of the PGA tour, you know all these billionaires who own golf courses all over the place.

01:48:28.920 --> 01:48:33.240
Some of them are, some of them are in Hawaii, like that place.

01:48:33.240 --> 01:48:38.152
I know it's a different island, but there's so many good.

01:48:38.152 --> 01:48:42.809
Is there one called the Nenea.

01:48:43.329 --> 01:48:44.917
Nenea would be amazing.

01:48:45.250 --> 01:48:48.560
Schwab and Roberts are both friends of the.

01:48:48.560 --> 01:48:52.454
George Roberts are both friends of the PGA Tour.

01:48:52.574 --> 01:48:55.036
Yeah, that's an uber private place too.

01:48:55.518 --> 01:48:57.470
They're going to be calling the tour.

01:48:57.470 --> 01:48:58.274
People are calling people right now.

01:48:58.274 --> 01:48:59.840
See, that's definitely uber private place too they're going to be calling.

01:48:59.859 --> 01:49:02.149
They're going to be like the tour people are calling people right now, like that's what I don't know does.

01:49:02.149 --> 01:49:07.202
Does a place like nanea want a tour event and the public on their course?

01:49:07.202 --> 01:49:11.511
That's because that's exactly right?

01:49:11.831 --> 01:49:13.073
I know you're exactly right.

01:49:13.073 --> 01:49:16.456
Probably not, but that's what these guys do.

01:49:16.456 --> 01:49:17.056
They're.

01:49:17.818 --> 01:49:17.997
Yeah.

01:49:18.939 --> 01:49:20.400
You know, like I know, that Right.

01:49:21.341 --> 01:49:23.323
Yeah, I mean it's just that's what these guys do.

01:49:23.323 --> 01:49:25.907
They have the, they can piece it together.

01:49:25.907 --> 01:49:32.114
I mean you could totally, because you got to think about it.

01:49:32.114 --> 01:49:35.980
How many guys go to Hawaii and stay, or go to Kapalua and then stay for Sony, sony.

01:49:35.980 --> 01:49:48.335
It's kind how few of them stay To show support for the PGA Tour and just play the Sony Open so that they get crazy TV ratings and crazy entertainment.

01:49:48.335 --> 01:49:49.640
It doesn't really happen.

01:49:49.640 --> 01:49:53.750
It doesn't have to be in Hawaii, it could be in California somewhere.

01:49:53.750 --> 01:49:53.813
Who knows, it doesn't have to be in.

01:49:53.726 --> 01:49:53.846
Hawaii.

01:49:53.761 --> 01:49:53.805
It could be in.

01:49:53.720 --> 01:49:54.498
California, somewhere yeah.

01:49:58.679 --> 01:50:03.588
So, who knows, Let me get some hot dog bills up in there, let me get a hot dog.

01:50:03.609 --> 01:50:05.693
Bills Go to Olympic Club.

01:50:05.693 --> 01:50:08.161
Yeah, that'd be it.

01:50:09.536 --> 01:50:10.572
All right, kurt.

01:50:10.572 --> 01:50:11.274
Thanks so much.

01:50:11.274 --> 01:50:14.614
I'll have Kurt's info in the show notes for everybody.

01:50:14.614 --> 01:50:17.327
If you want to give him a follow on his Instagram handle, I'll have that show notes for everybody.

01:50:17.327 --> 01:50:21.417
If you want to give him a follow on his Instagram handle, I'll have that on there for you and keep an eye out.

01:50:21.417 --> 01:50:22.472
We'll update.

01:50:22.472 --> 01:50:27.597
If we find out if he lands with a player or where he's going to be caddying, we'll let everybody know.

01:50:27.597 --> 01:50:29.970
Thank you so much for coming on, man.

01:50:29.970 --> 01:50:50.319
I really you know we've been wanting to have someone like you on the show for so long, because it's such a side of golf that not a lot of people are privy to, and so the fact that we can have you on and talk and tell stories just broadens people's eyes on how amazing this game is, and I thank you for spending your Tuesday evening with us.

01:50:50.689 --> 01:50:52.055
Yeah, thanks for having me guys.

01:50:52.055 --> 01:51:09.289
It's been nice getting to know you guys throughout the year on the VGN and, obviously, hanging out tonight and sharing some uh stories that are longer than the cart rides we take together or the uh we can't get too deep into on the course, so all right, joe, bring it home.

01:51:10.152 --> 01:51:10.511
Oh, go ahead.

01:51:10.932 --> 01:51:13.957
No, I'm gonna say I'm too busy trying to make more birdies to catch.

01:51:14.078 --> 01:51:14.838
Dan, you know what I mean.

01:51:20.229 --> 01:51:22.198
Thanks for everybody that tuned in in the chat.

01:51:22.198 --> 01:51:23.775
Appreciate you, guys.

01:51:23.775 --> 01:51:26.458
This was an incredible episode.

01:51:26.458 --> 01:51:28.516
Shout out Kurt, what a legend.

01:51:28.516 --> 01:51:30.655
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01:51:43.582 --> 01:51:44.911
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01:51:44.911 --> 01:51:47.978
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01:51:47.978 --> 01:51:50.243
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01:51:50.243 --> 01:51:52.011
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01:51:52.011 --> 01:51:55.238
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01:51:55.238 --> 01:51:59.877
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01:51:59.877 --> 01:52:00.479
There you go.

01:52:00.479 --> 01:52:02.833
I knew he was going to win.

01:52:02.833 --> 01:52:04.458
Shout out to homie Nori.

01:52:04.458 --> 01:52:09.916
You'll be getting something sent to you Until next week, man.

01:52:09.916 --> 01:52:10.899
Yeah, all right.

01:52:12.233 --> 01:52:14.680
I forgot to do this Until next week.

01:52:16.131 --> 01:52:20.814
Make sure you get out there and hit those greens, chase some daylight and play some fucking golf.

01:52:20.814 --> 01:52:25.931
Until then later, thank you.