July 9, 2025
334: Tradition Golf founder Matt Marino talks top courses, WhatNot, and his $1000 match
Send us a text Matt Marino takes us on an unforgettable journey through his remarkable golf career, from impulsively moving to Las Vegas as a young caddie to opening Tiger Woods' first American golf course, Blue Jack National. With candid charm, Matt shares how a simple business card and the bold declaration "I'm going to be your first head golf professional" led to his role launching Tiger's groundbreaking course. His insights into course design reveal why difficulty shouldn't be the primar...
Matt Marino takes us on an unforgettable journey through his remarkable golf career, from impulsively moving to Las Vegas as a young caddie to opening Tiger Woods' first American golf course, Blue Jack National.
With candid charm, Matt shares how a simple business card and the bold declaration "I'm going to be your first head golf professional" led to his role launching Tiger's groundbreaking course. His insights into course design reveal why difficulty shouldn't be the primary measure of greatness – a perspective gained from playing many of America's top-ranked venues.
The conversation shifts to Matt's latest venture with Tradition Golf and his unexpected success on the Whatnot platform, where his first impromptu livestream generated $6,500 in sales. This new frontier of digital golf commerce represents what Matt believes is just the beginning of a revolutionary change in how golfers buy, sell, and connect.
We get exclusive details about Matt's upcoming $1,000 match against fellow Whatnot seller Off Tour Truck on July 21st, which has evolved into a charitable event supporting Texas flood victims. This match exemplifies how digital platforms are creating new ways to blend competition, community, and commerce in the golf world.
Whether you're fascinated by course architecture, curious about digital golf commerce, or simply enjoy authentic conversations about the game's evolution, Matt's perspective offers fresh insights on where golf has been and where it's heading. His philosophy that "you always need something to look forward to" perfectly captures why golf trips, relationships, and new ventures keep the game eternally engaging.
Join us for this wide-ranging conversation that touches on everything from Matt's top course recommendations (Oakmont and Maidstone make his list) to why he believes Sand Valley might be the ultimate golf destination. His honesty, humor, and passion for the game make this episode an essential listen for anyone who loves golf's past while embracing its future.
We hope you enjoy this week's episode, and if you do, please consider leaving us a review on either Spotify or iTunes. Thank You!
00:00 - Episode Introduction & Harry Hall Shoutout
07:12 - Matt Marino's Golf Journey and Career
21:38 - Breaking Into the Las Vegas Golf Scene
33:46 - Matt's Experience with Top Golf Courses
51:34 - Discovering Purcell Farms and Hidden Golf Gems
01:07:34 - Course Rankings and Favorite Destinations
01:28:47 - The Whatnot Golf Community and Experience
01:40:34 - The $1000 Match Challenge with Off Tour Truck
02:00:38 - Building Brands in Digital Golf Commerce
02:17:48 - Podcast Giveaway Announcement and Show Close
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What is up everybody?
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Welcome to another episode of the Chasing Daylight Podcast.
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Hang on one second.
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This is Harry Hall and you're listening to the Chasing Daylight Podcast.
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A little shout-out from Harry Hall, who is over Harold, on the other side of the planet right now getting ready to play in the Scottish Open and the British Open, or the Open, however you want to say it.
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So we're definitely rooting for him this week, the next couple of weeks.
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So, if you get a chance to follow Harry, he was like top five prospect on PGA Tour and a couple of people sent me that link today, so excited for him.
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Trending.
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Also trending.
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The big man's on fire right now.
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One of the hottest golfers on the PGA Tour right now, so we're excited for him.
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Special thanks Now.
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One of the hottest golfers on the PGA tour right now, so we're excited for it.
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Special Thanks.
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As always, goes out to the golf stop, the indoor track man facility here in West Henderson, st Rose corridor.
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It's only supposed to be 113 the next couple of days.
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Go check it out.
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Great place, great people and we love that.
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They support us also.
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Roars golf, our buddy roars, las vegas golf superstore and scott russo from unwritten law.
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All right, got all that bs out of the knots bs.
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It's important stuff it's, it's super duper important.
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It's not bs guys, not bs hi guys, hi guys very important okay, so you guys are all fucking dope you could see.
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Uh, jeremy's not here.
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He will be here shortly, and in jeremy's stead right now is the guest we have this week uh, mr matt marino.
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How are you doing this evening, sir?
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Doing great guys.
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Thank you for having me.
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Oh, thank you for being on now.
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Now, I don't know the history between you and Dan, so let's start with how you guys know each other, and then we'll get into a little bit about you and what your golf life has been all about.
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Awesome.
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Do you want to tell the histories, Dan, or do you want me to tell the history?
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Well, we can leave some stories out.
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We can leave the stories out, good idea Good idea leave some stories out.
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Good idea?
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Uh, no.
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So I met dan through a mutual friend back in the year of, uh, 2002.
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Uh, yeah, it would have been 2002, early august, and dan was living in vegas.
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I was, I was going to school in la, I was a freshman in college and, uh, we met a good mutual friend, mike Mendoza.
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And shout out to Mike Mendoza, head pro at shadow Ridge golf course in California.
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And at the end of my freshman year, after playing a year of college golf, my buddy Mike said hey, remember my boy Dan we played golf with.
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He's caddying out of golf course out in Vegas.
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It just opened and it's like we should move out there and go get it.
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You should leave college and we should go caddy for for a living.
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So, uh, I go home, I drive from la back to colorado springs, I pull in the driveway and I see my parents and I'm like, yeah, I think I'm gonna take a year off of school.
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Um, they're like, oh, what are you gonna do?
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Move to las vegas and I'm gonna caddy.
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That's amazing, don't worry, when your college was only, you know, a 35 000 a year college, no scholarship or whatever.
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And my mom's like awesome, good luck, you're on your own.
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So I called dan, mike, and mike was already there.
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Dan was already there, uh, with a couple buddies, buddies and I called him and I said, hey, I'm coming, I'll be there, I'll be there August 15th.
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So I'd spent the summer at home and I said I'll be there August 15th.
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So I drove there.
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I have no job, I have no place to live.
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Dan's caddying and Dan gets me an interview with Joeing.
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I go into the caddy barn, I got an interview, um, and joe basically hires me on the spot.
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He's like great.
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And so I was like, hey, cool, can I borrow a golf cart and run out on the golf course and like tell dan and mike that like I got hired yeah, so I drive out there and I remember what hole it was on.
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I drive up to dan on and I was like dan, I got hired, he goes.
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Great, go find us a place to live.
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I've never been to Vegas before.
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I've never been to Vegas and Summerlin was kind of like expanded it's like 2002.
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So like.
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Flamingo wasn't finished right, like it ended at the Roadrunner basically you know, 215 wasn't done.
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They just built all those like Saharan Town Center.
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They just built all those new apartment complexes.
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Red Rock wasn't there.
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Yeah, I actually drove by our apartment original apartment complex when I was there just recently, but it's funny, but anyway.
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So like Town Center, like I drove down the street from Bears Best, I hop on Town Center.
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I literally pull into the first apartment complex that's on the right.
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It's a brand new, brand new apartment complex.
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I walk in like he literally has it open for like a couple of weeks.
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I was like, do you have any apartments to rent?
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And the lady's like yeah, let me tell you one.
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So we go, I'm brand new three bedroom Nobody lived in it Three bedroom apartment and, um, we didn't have anything.
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And I was the youngest right, dance, dance, dance.
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A little older than me, mike's, a little older than me, I was, I was, I was even 21, I was, uh, I guess I was 20, um, and uh, yeah.
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And then the caddyshack.
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We lived that caddyshack life for for years just looping in vegas, being boys playing golf chase, you know, just doing, doing chasing girls that was at Bears Best.
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Yeah, that was right after Bears Best opened?
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Were you there the day the dead body was found in the parking lot?
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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Oh wow, In the yellow Humvee.
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I think Dan found it actually.
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In the yellow Humvee.
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Yeah.
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Dan found it, I did.
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Yep, it was so funny because you know you think back at like time and you know we all pay your mortgages and rent or whatever.
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Now right, but like vegas was so cheap.
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Then you know our first apartment, three bedrooms, brand new, on town center drive.
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We paid twelve hundred dollars a month I was gonna say twelve hundred too and I was telling the story today, I was like I was so irresponsible as a 20 year old like I went.
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That's.
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We had four guys there.
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I think we had one guy living on the couch.
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Jj was living on the couch.
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We each had our own I think for some reason they gave me the master bedroom.
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I think maybe I had to pay a little bit more rent.
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But like this is how irresponsible.
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We were printing money like we were making good money back in the day and, uh, it's how irresponsible.
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I think my rent was like 230 bucks or 330 bucks.
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Like there's one month where we gambled so much and and gambled so much on the golf course like I couldn't make rent and I had to like, damn, can I borrow 230 to pay her pay rent?
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I mean, just have fun.
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We were irresponsible young guys having a great time caddying, playing golf, you know, doing whatever that.
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And then the rest is history.
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Right, we've been for 23 years, 24 years now, I guess.
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So that's awesome.
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That's what's golf man bringing people together crazy, bro.
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Golf brings so many people together and that's what's so weird.
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Like we've been friends with dan for since we threw that event at.
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Uh pi, legends never die and we all heard this story of this mythical matt guy.
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Right like we show up to purcell and dan's like let me call my buddy matt.
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And then, oh, you guys are good, now go ahead and go, you know, and it's just like, and then like I will get into that, but then I rated you not even knowing, and then it like sparks relationships.
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Like golf is incredible.
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But like dan has told us a ton of stories and we, we just we didn't know you.
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So how did how did your life, how did how did it evolve into where you've come from and where you are now?
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sure, yeah, um, man, just I guess grinding, like I mean we catch, we caddy in vegas for a couple years and then I went back and played for another year of junior college golf out in Southern California and I was like man, this school's just not for me.
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So I went back and caddied.
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We moved back in with Dan and Mike.
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We rented a house, we had a five-bedroom house over by TPC Summerlin, caddied for a couple of years and you felt like you could do it forever.
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That was right about the time, um, and we were all like debating, like, are we going to jump to the wind?
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Are we going to leave bears I can't remember if bears have been sold or whatever and, um, I don't know, man, it was hot in vegas.
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So I remember one year I went home for the summer, um, back to colorado to see my folks and I was going to loop.
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So I got a looping job out at castle pines uh, golf course, which is the hardest run for a four caddy of all times great, great workout.
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I met this guy.
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That's career, right, this, okay, this career caddy named chunk, uh, chunk.
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So everybody had a caddy nick.
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If you're a caddy and you didn't have a nickname.
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Um, you were a real caddy, right?
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So I met chunk, we're gonna, like I mentioned he's like, um, hey, he goes, I gotta, I gotta loop at this place called columbine country club.
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Um, tomorrow, like, you want to come loop loop with me?
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And I was like, yeah, sure, like why no?
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I was like I'm from colorado, grew up in colorado, uh, colorado springs.
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I mean, I played everywhere in colorado at this point, uh, but I never played columbine.
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They're gonna call mine and dude, host the 1967 pj championship walk in the park.
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In comparison to uh, and just a classic, just one of my favorite golf courses in the country.
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We grabbed two bags each and we go, we go.
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It was leisurely walk.
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The call my country was like, so easy.
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I was like I'm never, I'm not leaving.
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So I ended up.
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I was caddying for the president of the club that day.
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His name is Tom Alley and he goes.
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Dana Lupe goes.
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Man, would you be interested in being our caddy master here?
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I'm like that's a death sentence, right, because caddies we make good cash and caddy masters you don't make anything, right?
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You know the caddies go out and make good money and you're just making a salary.
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Um, I was like, yeah sure.
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So it was a w.
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It was, uh, they wanted to start a western golf association chick evans caddy program there.
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Uh, which I grew up in one at the broadmoor hotel and caddy was a big part of my life.
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I started counting when I was 12 years old and caddy was a big part of my life.
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I started caddy when I was 12 years old and caddy golf through school and I had to, you know, go caddy to make money to play, you know, junior golf tournaments because my parents, just you know they made me earn it right and uh, so we started this caddy program, ended up, you know, I remember our first year we did like 120 loops in the caddy program training a bunch of 12 and 13 year old kids how to carry bags and 15 year old kids.
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And I think the next year that was our first summer the next summer we did 2,700 loops.
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We got our first caddy Evan's scholarship to University of Colorado, cu Boulder, and that caddy program now is awesome and sustainable and I was there for seven years.
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Eventually, after the first year I moved into the golf shop and they gave me an opportunity to become an assistant pro.
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The general manager said I'll pay for your PGA schooling if you'll do it so like a degenerate golf pro.
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I didn't do anything for the first two years past my PAT, you know, went out and shot a good round, shot past my PAT and then didn't do my book work and I was about to get suspended from the PGA and the head pro just the apprentice program.
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Cause if you don't do anything for two years you book work, you get suspended.
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So the head pro got fired.
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I wasn't even.
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I was basically about to be kicked out of the apprentice program.
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A new pro came in.
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His name was Sean Strom and he came in from Escondido in Texas and he walks in the shop, he fires the other three assistants like day one guys I'd worked with for like a couple of years and he looks me in the eye and he goes you have one week to complete level one.
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Usually level one takes you like two years.
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So he said I'm going to pay you to sit in the boardroom and do your book work until you're done.
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So I sat in that boardroom for 18 hours a day typing my level one, and that was back in the day where you had to type it up on a computer, print it out, put it in the binder of death and then ship this thing off to the pj for grading um and your whole life in a binder.
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And so I.
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I did that.
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I went down, I sent it in, I got, went down to the level one seminar passed, passed there.
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Uh, I got back and he's like congratulations, you passed level one.
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You guys, you've got two weeks to do level two oh my god so, geez, yeah, and I was, and, and sean, I mean I like thank a lot of my career to sean, because sometimes you just need somebody to kick you in the butt and be like you know, this is what you're capable of doing right, so, um, so yeah, so knock that out.
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You know, obviously I hold you a little bit in between, but I think we in the in the end, from like when I really started doing the books work to the testing, I think I did the whole program.
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I can't remember if it was like 11 or 18 months it was pretty quick.
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Uh got elected to pga membership and then my my career just kind of kept going.
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So I was at Columbine for uh for seven years.
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Uh, I went to the club at Pradera as the first assistant, which is in Parker, colorado.
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Uh, for a year.
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And then one day I was on a member trip in arizona and my phone rang and it was my old boss, sean, and he said dauphinsterwald jr is going to call you and offer you a job at colonial in five minutes.
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And so, whatever you do I don't know where you are, but you say yes- yes, I've never been to texas before, um, and I was like okay, that's weird.
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Five minutes later I get a call from a fort worth number and it's dauphinsterwald and and the legend of dow dow's been at colonial for he's now the pro emeritus at colonial but dow at the time was at colonial for 30 years.
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His father, dow senior, obviously won the 57 pga 40.
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That would be the lanark uh two-time rider cup captain um, you know obviously, hall of famer, um, and dow goes.
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He has a really funny voice in this really southern so I'll try to do the best of you.
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Like hey, I heard you're the best that there is in the business and you come down here and and and help me run the show here.
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What do you say?
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And I'm like, well, I was like I'll be there tomorrow, so I went down, flew down to colonial uh and uh got hired on the spot.
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Um, two weeks of.
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I went back my wife was teaching with my ex-wife now but uh, she was teaching.
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I said, hey, we're moving to fort worth.
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Um, she said well, I gotta finish the year.
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So I moved out.
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I lived it.
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I moved with alicia singer who is the director of retail.
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She just retired from colonial um after tournament this year.
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She's been there for a long time.
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I didn't have any place to live.
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I lived with her for about a month, kind of got my feet wet.
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I was at colonial for three years, three tournaments.
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It was awesome, great place, obviously one of my favorite golf courses.
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And then I was at a pga teaching summit and I ran into a guy.
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I heard they were building tiger woods's first golf course in the country and it was going to be in houston.
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And uh, there was a guy and it was 100 golf pros at a teaching summit and there was a guy sitting at the front right table, uh, and he was dressed and he had a button, white, button-up shirt and dan's met this guy.
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So this is kind of funny, he got a white button-up shirt and a pink sweater around his shoulders and on the butt.
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On the sleeve of his cuff, he had bluejack national logo and the other one he had lantern asset management and he was pretty engaging.
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During he was engaged answering questions, I was, you know, I'm and um.
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At the end of the seminar I walked up to him and I said hey, you know, you're awesome, you were great today.
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He's older guy.
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Uh, so you were awesome today, like like um.
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And he goes oh, you did really good too.
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And I said, uh, so what do you?
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I saw your blue Jack logo.
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As I heard about blue Jack, I heard there, you know tigers building, are you the head, are you the head pro there, or the gm?
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He goes, oh, I'm the developer.
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And I'm like, oh, awesome.
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And I reached in my back pocket.
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I swear to god, this is the xr and he'll mr mike abbott, um, mr a, as everybody calls him, mr a, he'll tell the story the exact same way.
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I reached in my back pocket and I handed him my business card.
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I looked him in the eye and I said I'm gonna be your first head golf professional and I walked away baller move, baller move, I don't know why I'm not me, that's not me, but like shoot your shot, I guess, when you have a chance, yeah you felt it, bro, it was, yeah, that soul, bro, the soul of golf, right there just six months later six months later and seven interviews, uh, I got hired as the as the head golf professional at blue jack national and got to open up uh, tiger's first golf course in the country.
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So it was pretty awesome.
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Amazing, that's amazing yeah, so all right real quick, real quick.
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I gotta know what were you, what were you going to school for that you never went back for?
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oh, golf and girls and beer, I don't know uh, um, I mean, I've got some, you know, marketing, sales, uh, communications, whatever the athlete I guess does, whatever the easiest route.
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I wasn't the best student, uh, I didn't ever take school seriously, to be totally honest, um, but I I did have to take it seriously for one year when I transferred to citrus.
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Uh, because I basically failed out of everything at whittier before I left.
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Uh, when I went to be eligible yeah, whittier, whittier college.
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When I went to whittittier or I went to transfer to Citrus, I said well, let's see what you have to do to be eligible for golf.
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And so the golf coach takes me into the admissions office.
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He wants to be on the golf team here.
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What does he have to do?
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And the lady said he has to take 21 units and he has to get a 3.9 or better to be eligible for the golf season.
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I had never been like over a 3.0 student, so uh, yeah Well, because my GPA was so low from you know my previous, you know schooling.
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So for the first time in my life I ever tried in school.
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I sat in the front row of every class.
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I never left school without my homework done.
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