June 11, 2025
330: Vegas Golf Rankings Drama & US Open Predictions
Send us a text Oakmont Country Club takes center stage as the guys dive into what promises to be a brutal US Open. The fairways are narrow, the rough is overgrown, and the greens are lightning fast – exactly how golf's ultimate test should be. Stories from pros' practice rounds reveal a course that will thoroughly punish anything less than precision golf. The conversation shifts to an unexpected controversy when their golf course rankings sparked outrage among followers. Wolf Creek Golf Club...
Oakmont Country Club takes center stage as the guys dive into what promises to be a brutal US Open. The fairways are narrow, the rough is overgrown, and the greens are lightning fast – exactly how golf's ultimate test should be. Stories from pros' practice rounds reveal a course that will thoroughly punish anything less than precision golf.
The conversation shifts to an unexpected controversy when their golf course rankings sparked outrage among followers. Wolf Creek Golf Club's placement at #24 in the Vegas region ignited fierce debate, with many arguing it deserves top-10 national status. The hosts stand firm on their assessment, explaining that while the course offers spectacular visuals, its playability issues and marathon pace of play justified its ranking. This segment highlights how subjective course ratings can be, often influenced by what golfers are accustomed to playing.
Joe shares his recent Scottsdale golf adventure, where he discovered TPC Stadium Course offered more enjoyment than he anticipated. Meanwhile, Matt provides insider perspective on why Wynn Golf Club charges $800 per round – it's intentionally priced to maintain exclusivity and cater to high-end casino patrons who view golf as merely an amenity. This discussion reveals the fascinating economics behind Vegas golf's premium experiences.
The episode wraps with US Open predictions, featuring picks ranging from favorites like Scottie Scheffler to dark horses like Patrick Cantlay and Ludvig Åberg. Along the way, the guys announce plans for future equipment giveaways once they reach specific social media follower milestones – giving loyal listeners chances to win putters, drivers, and other gear. Subscribe to their channels and join the conversation about golf's biggest topics, all delivered with the authentic, unfiltered perspective that makes Chasing Daylight unique.
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00:00 - Episode Introduction
04:28 - Brutality at Oakmont for US Open
15:28 - Golf Course Rankings Controversy
21:42 - Scottsdale Golf Adventures
37:59 - Wynn Golf Club: The $800 Experience
47:42 - Golf Hat Collecting Obsession
01:06:51 - US Open Predictions and Picks
01:14:08 - Podcast Updates and CDP Giveaways
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what is up everybody?
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Welcome to another episode of the Chasing Daylight Podcast.
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Clearly there's some shit going on with Instagram.
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It's not liking us, so I apologize for those wanting to watch Instagram tonight Again.
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Yeah.
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I don't know what's going on, but Joe's here tonight so he can fill in while I tinker once we get to that.
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But I do want to say a quick thank you to Shannon from 13 Brewing.
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Last week he left a message and Joe wasn't here to help me fill dead air because I was trying to figure out Instagram and I forgot to get his message.
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And then I also found out I didn't have repeat the live chat on the replays, so I couldn't get his message again.
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So, shannon, if by any chance you're watching, please, you know, hop on and let us know what that question was because, uh, I I didn't want you to think that we forgot about you, so how are you guys doing tonight?
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Good everybody all geeked up for a brutal US Open that's forthcoming.
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Can't wait so stoked.
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So Jeremy said before we hopped on that he was watching the Grand Horvart.
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Horvart.
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Horvart.
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Horvart.
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I like Horfart better.
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I was watching that video of them out there and said that you know they're just getting destroyed.
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No, they got battered yeah.
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Oh my God.
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And this afternoon I watched Bryson.
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Yeah, mike's got it right right here Beautiful golf course.
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Instagram sucks, yes.
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So watched Bryson's video where he recorded every swing and, yeah, the course was wet and soft that day, so you know a lot of his shots into the green from the rough stayed on the green and, yeah, I don't think it's going to be that easy.
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Come, come, uh, a couple days from now.
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So are you?
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Are you talking about the like, the, the influencer day that they played like, probably last week?
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because I watched no no no, no, this was just him.
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He was just out there with his caddy, uh, and an oakmont caddy, and his film crew and it was just him.
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And he played the whole course, started on the back nine and, uh, he shot.
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Even he had a putt for birdie on 18.
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I watched the uh, I watched the whole saint andre and uh sunny episode.
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Uh group group chat golf memes.
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I watched that whole episode randomly and uh yeah, it's sunny is a, is a, a.
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One handicap plus one, I can't remember.
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But yeah, he got.
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He got eight and alive.
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I'm so stoked, I love it.
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Let the brutalness commence.
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Yeah, hey, and it's fair too.
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You just gotta hit the, you gotta hit the fairway, you gotta hit the green.
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It's all there is to it easy so yeah, those greens they look crazy man like you.
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They look flat, but the ball just trickles.
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It's like continuous trickles all the way to the sides, to the front, to the back.
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Yeah, yeah, it's nuts.
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I love it losing balls in the rough.
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I mean you barely hit it off the rough.
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I mean there's like a definitive line where the fairway is and then, other than that, you're buried.
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Miss the green I send you.
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I think I might only send it to matt, but I probably sent it to the chat where Jeff Marsh pulled a, a SWAT ball true, vis SWAT ball out of the rough, Like that shouldn't be there.
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But it's there because it's.
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It's grown up crazy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I love it.
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It looks like it's the weather's supposed to be nice Thursday and then it's rain the rest of the time, so it's going to be swampy in that rough.
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Yeah, Oakmont's sick.
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Stuck for it.
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The course is incredible.
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It's absolutely incredible.
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It's an amazing design Bryson was talking about.
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This is the only design the guy had.
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It was his only golf course he designed.
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It's hard.
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It's narrow the bunkers.
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They've added some depth to the bunkers.
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They did get rid of a lot of the trees.
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That doesn't bother me.
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It bothered a lot of the traditionalists.
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But I like it being open like that and you know it's going to be a challenge.
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It's gonna be.
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We say this every year.
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I mean, dustin Johnson won four under last time and it wasn't this thick.
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I think the USGA is at a point where they're like, no, we're not doing it anymore, we're not doing 21 under and you know, let's, let's, let's seriously challenge these guys.
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I love it.
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It but dj is not in it, I can guarantee you that.
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But um I love it.
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Yeah, yeah, definitely not going to be a repeat for him.
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I he's not the same golfer he was back then, um, so yeah, uh, so I I highly encourage anybody if you haven't watched the Bryson thing, go watch it.
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I'm going to watch Grant's video later on tonight and we'll see it's that show on YouTube there's a lot of YouTube shows, yeah how things work.
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Grant how things work.
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How things work.
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Grant how things work, how things uh see will anybody purposely step on a ball like phil did that one tournament purposely?
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did he stop the ball when it was rolling?
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oh that one yeah that?
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Where was that at that was at, oh I have a video of that.
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On my idea, was it um?
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Was that a shinnecock, shinnecock, yeah yeah, yeah, I don't know.
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I mean, with it being wet they're they'll.
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They do drain, but I don't think they're going to be crusted out fast like shinnecock was like the word.
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They were watering in between groups.
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Yeah, what's the forecast?
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looking like.
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Has anybody seen it?
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Yep Tomorrow or Thursday is nice Thursday is going to be warm 80s, and then after that it's rain.
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Still warm, yeah.
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I don't think it's going to get crusty, but that rough will be juicy and they'll probably still keep the greens at a close to 15 yeah, that's crazy.
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I mean, yeah, we, julian and I, played at dragon ridge a couple weeks ago and we said the greens are probably rolling at 14 and that's not as undulated, as as oakmont is God, I mean, and there's some we had.
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I had one putt rise above the hole and it was downhill and I mean I just touched it with my putter face, just like touched it, and it went 10 feet past.
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So I mean they get any situation like that.
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Oh, man you're going to is is trail hat in the field Cause.
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I wanted that one mic'd up.
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I want him mic'd up 24, seven.
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Cause you the field because I wanted that one mic'd up.
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I want him mic'd up 24 7 because you know he's gonna say did you guys see that spot about the stint meter on uh live?
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from oakmont.
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It was created because of oakmont right well, the guy, the guy is from oakmont.
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Yeah, there's like um rod perry or whatever what they.
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They measured the greens.
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He would drop a ball on the back of number two or whatever.
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And if it didn't roll off the front of the green it wasn't fast enough.
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And that was really interesting in how the stimp meter was created and it took like the USGA 35 years to adopt the stimp meter.
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That was really interesting to me yeah, if you guys didn't see it.
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I think you should watch it.
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Yeah, I'll check it out.
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Yeah, I didn't see it at all there's a there's always some good stories on the live app that's why yeah, that's why live at the US Open, live at the Masters.
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They do such a good job.
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I love, I love watching that.
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Yeah, I'm a big fan of the.
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They did a little thing about the lockers and how every locker's got a little hidden liquor compartment.
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Seriously.
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Yeah, so everybody can hide their stash from the Prohibition days.
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As I said every time, they build new lockers and add new lockers.
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They try to build them to make them look original and each locker, still to this day, has that little lockbox.
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That's sick.
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I love that.
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I mean, golf is like a tradition, right?
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And that's so cool that it keeps getting passed down and all the stories are the best.
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I love it.
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What are you doing, matt?
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what are you?
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I'm trying to get.
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He's preoccupied no, I'm trying to get this.
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I don't know well it you know I I I authenticated the chasing day that podcast.
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We got the little blue check mark on our account.
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Now we're paying for that.
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We're paying for that now.
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I'm not sure if that has something to do with it or not, but I'll have to dig in and find out what's going on.
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Sent a trouble ticket and it didn't happen.
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Nothing happened.
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We shall see, don't worry about it.
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The guys that want to, we'll be here.
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Don't worry about that, let's talk, I mean we can tune in tomorrow if they need to.
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Yeah, hey.
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I made a little pre-show video and told all the haters and there was a lot of them uh to come on tonight and, and you know, let us have it.
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So I was hoping that ig was working.
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So, uh, they're gonna have to get uh figure out how to get to youtube because, I'm sure we're probably getting some more flack for that now.
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Oh, you call us out, then you don't go live I see how you are yeah yeah, yeah, but uh, mike's in the chat and and he helped exploit our ranking system and quite a few people.
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I was kind of surprised at how much hate we got for not knowing anything about golf, the people who did this ranking clearly don't play golf so many.
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These aren't even in Vegas.
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Half these courses aren't in Vegas.
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There's nine of them that aren't in Vegas.
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I'm not counting the Boulder City, because that's considered Vegas to me 80% of the comments were about Wolf Creek 80% 80% of the comments were just destroying us for saying that Wolf Creek was the 24th best course in the valley or in the region, when some people are saying it's a top 10 course in the country, which is fucking criminal that's ridiculous.
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Yeah, that's ridiculous.
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Which is fucking criminal?
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That's ridiculous.
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That is absolutely insane.
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Yeah, so I had some fun conversations with a few people.
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You know, it's kind of like people from Oregon they're not blown away with Bandon.
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Right, yeah.
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They get a lot of that.
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There's coastal golf courses.
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There's, you know, wooded areas like bandon trails.
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To someone from the portland area is just another golf course.
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For us, you know, bandon trails is, in my opinion, the greatest golf course I've ever played.
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It's incredible, but you know we live in the desert little different ambience us you know, beyond is that the right word?
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it's so, it's so subjective, like even I was talking to chris torres.
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He went up to portland and he's like, yeah, it was crazy, like being in the trees.
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You know, you hear the echo of the trees and we don't have trees out here.
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You know what I mean.
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So it's like maybe that person plays on a flat golf course in a muni in missouri, who knows, maybe that's what he sees, and then he goes to, uh, wolf creek creek and is blown away.
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It's just insane, yeah, and then, and then for us it's like we play in the desert, no trees.
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Then we go play band and trails and it tells a story and it's incredible and it's highly ranked because it's that good, you know, and it's so subjective very subjective, but you know I think you can be subjective and realist and and I've said this before it's amazing to look at.
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It is absolutely incredible the, the video game.
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It's a video game what they accomplished out there unbelievable, even though some other courses in the area have done the exact same thing.
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But it's not great golf, it's just not.
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I you know I've had a couple people say oh, first time I played it I started 72.
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It's like shut the fuck up.
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Nobody goes into that course blind and shoots 72 because you have no idea 78 first time and that was years ago I shot 73 yeah, okay, maybe I'm wrong first time.
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Yeah, oh no but it's not, it's not a really hard course.
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It's not hard.
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Yeah, you can just blow it blows you away.
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It's like if you are uh feeling uncomfortable, yeah, I can screw you up.
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It's not hard, I don't think.
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I don't think wolf creek's hard at all.
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I think it just, yeah, blast you in the face with the visuals and it's like.
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I would never want to play that course every day and that's why it's so low rank.
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I don't want to play there every day.
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I don't want to five and a half six hour round every day.
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I don't want to gas card every day dude and the guys that please let us play, said that they teed off at like 1 30 and it was summer time and you know it's daylight until 7 45 and they didn't finish yeah, no thanks, wow, no thanks and they basically told him that they weren't gonna finish.
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It's like yeah, yeah, not good, not good, dude.
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I think we were like off at like 7 am and it took us five and a half hours, that's like you know, it's like yeah, it's.
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It's not like like it's visually appealing and cool and video gamey, but it's like I would and that's why it's so low rank.
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I could never play there every day, never, no, no, I mean, we put, we played, makes great videos and pictures, for sure.
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We played Revere on a Sunday and Lex and we finished in three and a half hours and it should have been three.
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There was one group in front of us that started a half hour before us and we caught them on the third hole and I mean they finished in four hours.
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So that's good, that's good, but we were still waiting every box.
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You know, what I love.
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What I love is like being first off and it's like the starters, like you're the pace setters, because I did that at Stadium Course and we did that at Sheep Ranch and he's like at Sheep Ranch.
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He's like pace at sheep ranch.
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He's like four hours 15 minutes.
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We finished in like 3, 15 like I love telling them they're wrong.
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You know like and and the homie got an ace, dan got an ace.
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Like that helped exactly one of our groups, one of our groups finished in three exactly, yeah, yeah but not too much we played uh.
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I played uh tpc scottsdale stadium and he's like it's four hours 20 minutes.
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We finished in 3 45.
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We were first out.
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Like it's not hard to like get things done.
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You know what I mean yeah, so how was scottsdale?
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tell us all about it it was good, it was hot.
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It was, uh, humid.
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Um, tpc scottsdale stadium.
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As I've told you guys before I I was not expecting much out of it at all, like it's not um, visually entertaining to like my architecture.
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I, if you will, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a savant or anything but I enjoyed it.
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It was way more enjoyable than I thought it was going to be like.
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Way more enjoyable.
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I thought I was going to be like okay, I got it done and yeah, it was cool, really cool.
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Primo conditions, greens were incredible.
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A lot of history there.
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Of course it was.
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I'm glad I.
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I'm glad I did it because I was.
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There's so many options out there in Scottsdale that's, that's the hard thing.
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There's so many golf courses out there.
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Glad I did it.
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Yeah, what's your favorite hole?
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You remember anything stand out to you that maybe you weren't expecting my favorite hole was 15.
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I think that hole is insane very long.
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Par four green was super elevated um.
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I I hit a great drive to the right side of the fairway and I had like two or five in and the green super elevated and I had a great four iron.
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Uh, it ran off the back, but that hole is very long, very long um and then uh, like one, I think, only one birdie, I think.
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What hold your birdie?
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I don't remember.
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I got one birdie.
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I missed the green on 16.
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Almost drove the green on 17.
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Oh yeah, and that's another thing about 16.
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16 is.
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I mean, obviously you should have gone live so we could have, you know, cheered or thrown our beers or yeah, the stands are not there, but it was.
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