May 14, 2025
326: Is the PGA Championship missing its identity as a major?
Send us a text Stunning course conditions at Las Vegas National set the stage for an exciting Vegas Golf Network tournament this weekend. The greens are rolling true, fairways are immaculate, but beware those crusty bunkers that might swallow your ball! We break down the weather forecast from our resident meteorologist Matty G, who predicts light rain and gusty winds that will separate the serious contenders from the fair-weather golfers. Golf's equipment world is ablaze with controversy as ...
Stunning course conditions at Las Vegas National set the stage for an exciting Vegas Golf Network tournament this weekend. The greens are rolling true, fairways are immaculate, but beware those crusty bunkers that might swallow your ball! We break down the weather forecast from our resident meteorologist Matty G, who predicts light rain and gusty winds that will separate the serious contenders from the fair-weather golfers.
Golf's equipment world is ablaze with controversy as Odyssey releases a putter bearing striking resemblance to the wildly popular Lab design. We dive deep into this heated debate, examining how Lab has disrupted the industry to become the third best-selling putter brand while exploring the long history of manufacturers "borrowing" designs from competitors. Is imitation the sincerest form of flattery, or has Odyssey crossed a line?
The identity crisis of the PGA Championship takes center stage as we analyze what makes golf's four majors distinct from one another. While Augusta demands precision, the US Open tests grit, and The Open challenges players with elements and terrain, what exactly is the PGA Championship's unique challenge? We propose solutions that could give this major a stronger identity, including a potential return to its match play roots.
Our custom Goodwood putters have arrived, and we share our first impressions after taking them for a spin. From immediate adoption to careful consideration, each host has a different experience with these beautifully crafted clubs. Will they replace our current gamers or become cherished collection pieces?
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00:00 - Show Introduction & Personal Note
08:30 - Las Vegas National Course Review
17:56 - Weather Forecast for VGN Tournament
23:13 - PGA Championship Discussion
32:27 - Does PGA Championship Lack Identity?
42:56 - The Odyssey vs. Lab Putter Controversy
54:07 - Goodwood Putters Reactions & Review
01:07:33 - PGA Championship Winner Predictions
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Hey, what is up?
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Everybody Hope all y'all are doing well out there.
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We kind of got some bad news in our golf family.
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Want to send some condolences out to the Boyd family.
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Little shook right now so I apologize in advance if the show is not up to the normal rhetoric and comedy levels that we sometimes bring in.
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So love you brother.
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Love you, man, yeah, brother.
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Here for you anytime.
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Absolutely, we're here for you, but thanks everybody for tuning in to this week's show.
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We've got a good one lined up for you.
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We've got some talk, we've got.
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The PGA Championship is taking place in the wet and soggy, always repetitious Quail Hollow Golf Course in North Carolina.
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The VGN this weekend plays our tournament at Las Vegas National.
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I was out there today with Julian and wow, wow course is in great shape uh, we have.
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Uh, I mean we can talk about this.
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Right, we can.
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Yeah, everybody's talking about this right now.
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Uh, so we'll be chatting about that.
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We'll see if rocky hops in.
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And uh, we got our goodwood putters and uh been beating those up on the course and through our social media feeds.
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So if you have not seen those, go check them out, because the picks don't do them any chances, even though they're absolutely incredible.
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So um little windy today.
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A little windy, a little little.
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I I mean, can we just stop with the fricking wind?
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Yeah, seriously.
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Enough.
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I mean, good God it's May Stop with.
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The goddamn wind Got up this morning.
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We had a, we had an eight o'clock tee time at national and I mean it was blowing like 25, 30 miles out there.
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It was crazy.
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But it calmed down by about the fifth, sixth hole and then we had an absolutely gorgeous day.
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So unfortunately the weekend forecast doesn't look that good.
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We got Matty G.
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Love it.
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He's got some weather for us about the tournament.
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We'll get to that in a little bit, um, but let's see.
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So we played some golf this weekend.
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Uh, well, kind of I didn't.
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I played mine today, uh, but uh, you guys were out at national on saturday yeah, natty ice the natty Joe took an amazing picture of the urinal.
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It was dope.
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I was just trying to be real creative, you know.
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I just you know I had my pins and passports kind of like eyes on and my Jeff I was trying to get my Jeff Marshawn and all that and it just it didn't work out as well as I thought.
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But I, you know I didn't take any pictures of.
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The only pictures I took that day were Goodwood putter pictures, uh, and we were waiting on every third hole, something like that, for a few minutes and I said, hey, leave your car keys in the cart or whatever it said, and I just took a picture and I posted it.
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Yeah so.
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I tried to be creative.
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I tried to replicate the action today.
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You know I don't think mine caught.
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His caught the aura as much as joe's did yeah, it wasn't as good, that's for sure it wasn't as good so but, how was the course for you guys?
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We'll kind of preview this a little bit about what's, what's going on with the vgn out there, what, what was your thoughts?
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Um, and I'll I'll throw in my two bits it was great.
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I think it was fantastic.
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The only thing that really sucked for us, I think, was it was like the first like hot round of the year for us and I like fell five holes.
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I was like, yeah, you know, I need to start exercising and hit planet fitness, you know hydration is key right now yeah, but other than that, fantastic, really great yeah, best.
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I think it's the best I've seen national, especially the greens the greens are fantastic.
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The putting green I would argue and one by the barn the greens were better like two months ago.
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Last time we played I think that was the best I've ever seen.
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Those greens was like two months ago.
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They're still great, they're still good, but they were better two months ago.
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The first green's a little beat up.
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Go ahead, Matt.
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As I say, the first green's a little bit beat up, but other than that I think they're rolling pretty true and pretty consistent throughout the course.
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They're really good.
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Really good.
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Yeah, they've turned it around pretty good in the last year or so, but I will say this they need to start putting the cut and cups on the practice grades now.
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These COVID, that's enough.
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Ground pins suck, that's enough.
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Rio, these covid above ground pins suck.
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That's enough.
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Do rio seiko still does that?
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It's like you're, yeah, you're, rio seiko.
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You know, could you imagine pulling up to shadow, or or, and having no, yeah, that's all the ground pins that's done.
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Yeah, yeah, you gotta stop that shit for sure.
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Anywhere.
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Everywhere needs to stop that if they're still doing it.
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Yeah, it's garbage, it's dumb uh, the, the one issue that I think everybody's gonna have.
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Let's see what's rob saying here.
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Uh, agreed, played saturday and it was the best I've seen national since moving here in 2019.
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Oh nice, yeah, the the only great.
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And and uh, we, we had a couple of the other VGN guys out there with us and a couple couple lobs were thrown trying to bend the commissioner's ear on bunker rulings and there's like a layer of crust there is top of the bunkers and especially if nobody's played in the bunker, nobody's raked it, uh, and with their probably going to be rain on sunday, uh, the bunkers are going to be a little treacherous.
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uh, they, they do drain, uh, to the low point, um, but but if the sun hits it and it dries, there's just this layer of crust where the ball doesn't settle down, it just sits on top.
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But I was in bunkers like several times and they were fine.
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They were crusty, but they were fine.
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Yeah, there's some that are fantastic.
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Don't get me wrong.
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And if you have an issue with that, don't fucking hit it in a bunker.
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Exactly, exactly.
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There you go, that's that's the main thing.
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It is called a hazard for a reason, yeah.
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So, um, you know, we will still play our hey if it's in a footprint or if it's in a man-made depression by a mower or something that was in there tires, anything that is not natural.
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Yes, you will be able to rake it and replace it, but unfortunately, if you get a fried egg that has penetrated the layer of crust and now it's out there, I don't think, oh no, we had a we had a couple today.
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You did oh yeah, to where you have a nice little perfect hole where it has gone through the crust and is now in the magma and uh, yeah, it's, uh, it is.
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It is not an easy shot, so, uh, you know, I said, well, you can't lift, clean and rake and replace don't hit it so high, bro.
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Don't hit it so high then you know, a fried egg it's jeremy with this towering drive straight down the middle, just towering rory style jeremy so it's it's gonna be.
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It's it's gonna be tough, but everybody's gonna have to play out of the bunkers out of the crusty bunkers some of them are really good.
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Like we were on uh 12 and oh no, I'm sorry, we were on 16 and the bunker and the front is very thin, very crusty.
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It's a very difficult shot.
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You know.
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We went and hit like five, six shots out of it just to try and understand what we could do.
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Then the bunker in the back left perfect, perfect.
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So there's some.
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It's going to take a little bit of golf know-how to get yourself out of that.
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But other than that-boxes are fantastic.
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The fairways are immaculate.
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They've cut down a lot of the the thick, thick grass around the greens, like on two, uh that that on the right side of two, where it goes down and then comes back up to the cart path where the three t-.
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Boxes.
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That's all short now.
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It used to be really thick but it's short now, which was awesome.
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From chipping out of today, I mean loved it.
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So I think everybody's in for a treat.
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It's going to be well, you know what?
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Here, let's bring Matty G in and Matty G can tell you what it is going to be like.
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Good evening from the Fox 5 Firstler Weather Center.
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I'm Firstler meteorologist Matt Gontar for the Vegas Golf Network Got our next tournament coming up at the Las Vegas National, may 18th.
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A 6.30 shotgun start, looking partly cloudy with some scattered light rain showers throughout the morning and afternoon.
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It's not the best forecast, but very light rain, not expecting a washout, but it is going to be gusty with winds out of the southwest 20 to 30 miles per hour.
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Temperatures for a 630 shotgun start 65 degrees.
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Should be around 70 to 75 degrees as you wrap up the tournament on Sunday, may 18th.
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Have a great round and have a great day, yeah.
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I will say I'd love to hear that because, like brooks has said before, I mean I don't, I don't care about rain, sprinkles or wind, but that you're only playing against half of the field, because half the field does not like that shit and they're already in the mindset to not want to win because they don't want to deal with it yeah, exactly.
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Yep.
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I love it.
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I like playing in the wind yeah, not all the time.
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Not all the time, dude.
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We've been playing in it for five months.
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Good God, yeah, it is a calm day with two to three mile an hour winds.
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I'm going to be giddy over.
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I don't even want to go.
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I couldn't putt last night in the backyard Because the balls were Because your greens do fast it's the balls where I'm like I'm barely touching it and it's going 30 feet.
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I'm like good Lord.
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So that was a fun, and then you don't want to go hit balls because it's so damn windy and so yeah, that's when you try and like cut it into the wind and you like try and draw it with the wind.
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That's where you get creative out there.
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You know what I?
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mean yeah, but I don't break out that with range balls.
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Yeah, break out your yoga mats this week because, uh, you need a little meditative state, if you will yes, you're gonna have to dig deep into the the how to maintain a level head and civility, because, uh, there's, I mean, that course will.
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It'll kick you in the nuts quick if you're not careful and that might come on monday too.
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So you never know, but what might come on monday the rain and the wind, who knows, because it's always a guessing game where it's basically I mean, we're basically banned.
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We're five days out, so it can.
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We could have a heat wave that shows up friday vegas is banned without the trees or the meatloaf I, I will give.
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I will give maddie g some credit, though his his forecasts have been kind of spot on.
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He was a little off at laugh Laughlin Ranch, but I mean that's not technically Vegas, so I'll give him a little bit of pass.
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Best weatherman Vegas has ever seen, Matty G.
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He's killing it.
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He's killing it.
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So let's see.
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So we have 72 players.
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Very happy to have that number.
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We got a last-minute addition.
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Rocky from the Golf F fathers is popping on uh oh yeah, we're battling, you're 100.
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Correct oh, you didn't know, I was not upset, I was fine no, I said correct 100, correct oh I thought talking about talking about Rob.
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Yeah.
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Rob's 100% correct.
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Yes, I know I can take a night off.
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I'm fine with that.
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That doesn't mean I can't tinker.
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Garage Rob's watching.
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Eagle Buff right now.
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Hey, quick, real shout out Eagle Buff on whatnot?
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He's doing a live show, custom stamping.
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Go follow Eagle Buff Hitting greens golf tribe.
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Bb and F codes.
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There was BB and F codes on there.
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Oh yeah, whatever.
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Need some light there.
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Joe, Turn your phone camera.
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I got light right here bro.
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Oh, here, but anyway he let us shout out the podcast, Uh co-host me.
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There you go.
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He co-hosted me.
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He said shout out the podcast hitting greens golf tribe.
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He throws BB and F codes on the divot tools.
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He co-hosted me.
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He said shout out the podcast hitting greens golf tribe.
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He throws bb and f co's on the divot tools.
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So shout out, eagle buff, go follow him on instagram, whatnot?
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Um, yeah, he co-hosted me.
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I jumped on and uh, shouted out chasing daylight podcast.
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So if anybody is listening to this because of eagle buff, thank you for being here and uh, we're here, every single tuesday at 8 30 pm, pacific standard time dude.
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So, uh, dan, I know, yeah, you've bought a couple things on on whatnot, or you've been watching jeremy same thing no, you haven't bought anything yet, dan, I haven't bought anything yet.
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Oh wow, no, uh.
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But take five show last night was ridiculous.
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It was absolutely ridiculous.
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Some of the things he was selling just unbelievable.
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What was that?
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inside joke, don't worry about it, go just okay sorry, sorry, sorry.
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Inside jokes on the live podcast all right um, but yeah shout out greenly shout out greenly, go, follow, take five.
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He's on instagram.
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Uh, he's got.
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His shows have been absolutely crazy lately, just some unreal stuff.
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He posted a video today that, uh, because the oven the old artisan warehouse, artisan facility is is not that far from his house, um, he knows the people there and he, joe, he had rory mcelroy's prototype of that.
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Yeah, he stamped rm on it with the mcelroy serial number.
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He had a bunch of raw pxgs.
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He had a bunch of, uh, paper irons.
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I mean just unreal.
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Yeah, how he's getting this shit and what he's up to swag, putter covers, ripping them, and yeah, man, it's, it's, and it's like I've bought from him.
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You know, I bought, I bought some stuff from him, but it's so fun to watch because it's like you don't know what's coming next.
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Yeah, that's the thing, it's like fun to watch because it's like you don't know what's coming next.
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Yeah, that's the thing.
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It's like what's going to come next.
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Rob and Joe and I were texting last night and Rob's like I don't really want to buy anything, but I can't stop watching and I said I go quitting interrupting me.
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I'm trying to watch.
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Yeah, it's so, it's, it's a good time.
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So, uh, if you got two and a half hours to kill sitting on your couch doing nothing while the knights are getting their asses handed to them, it's uh, it was, it was fun to watch.
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So, um, you got anything.
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What else you get that came in this week, joe, besides that, uh, I got the nike three iron.
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Yeah, like I showed um, I got some cleveland hats, I got some balls um, I got some polos delivered um, because usps is the worst, right, so it's like it's terrible it takes so long.
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It's like I bought this 10 days ago and I don't know what's bundled together and it just shows up.
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But it's like kind of exciting because it's like what did I order?
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What's coming in.
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I did when I bought the uh, this is from Dallas golf co.
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They are on whatnot.
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Uh, people should be familiar with Dallas golf co.
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Um, they had a full box of these and I got one and I won the buyer's giveaway.
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I got a free uh, I won the range finder from them, so I got that and it's just like it's like christmas every once in a while.
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You know, we got like we got like five coming tomorrow too.
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I had one today.
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I bought a knife sick ass butcher knife, um, so I can chop my meat up.
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Uh, and it's a damascus.
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It's sweet, um, but yeah, it's very dangerous, so enter with caution.
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But uh, it's awesome and and you just gotta you just gotta find the good people there, and there's a lot of good people out there.
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I want uh thrifty incredible polos and he said he he was messaging me like yesterday on instagram and he he wants to come on.
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Uh, I think we just do a a whatnot show at some point yeah, rob was saying last night is is whatnot the new way to launder money?
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yeah, I don't know, it could be the the, the money that's exchanging hands.
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I mean, there was a guy last night that he probably dropped six grand at least.
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Oh yeah, bunker yeah, bugger kings yeah follow bugger kings it's all over once you swipe right yeah, yeah, I don't, I don't swipe anymore, but um, and it's funny, five packages coming in from ups tomorrow no, that's all custom bidding.
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I only custom bid.
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I pick a price in my head.
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I'll put in my custom bid and if it, if it wins, it wins, if it doesn't, it doesn't.
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Um, it's funny how you can see the the items change hands.
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Oh yeah, this person sold it to this person.
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And this person sold it to that person.
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Yeah, yeah, it's fun, man.
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I mean there's a lot of good people out there on the app and shout out anybody hustling, you find your niche.
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I've always been that way.
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I've always trying to find something, something on the side, trying to do something and trying to find a way to do this and hustle, and you know it is what it is and you make friends and you know you build a community and it is a strong community.
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Whatnot golf is a strong community there's and you find those guys, and and shout out, cyrus.
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Cyrus has been on there.
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Now too, he's done two shows uh homie of the homies and uh yeah, I was selling some psycho bunny stuff, the other night.
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