May 8, 2025
325: Discovering the Soul of Coyote Springs and the Odyssey Putter Phenomenon
Send us a text Golf is about finding what truly works for you - whether that's the right putter, the perfect course challenge, or that one magical shot that keeps you coming back for more. This week, we dive deep into the surprising reality of equipment choices on the PGA Tour, revealing that despite Scotty Cameron's cult following among amateurs, the best putters in professional golf overwhelmingly choose Odyssey mallets. Our analysis of the top 25 strokes-gained leaders challenges conventi...
Golf is about finding what truly works for you - whether that's the right putter, the perfect course challenge, or that one magical shot that keeps you coming back for more.
This week, we dive deep into the surprising reality of equipment choices on the PGA Tour, revealing that despite Scotty Cameron's cult following among amateurs, the best putters in professional golf overwhelmingly choose Odyssey mallets. Our analysis of the top 25 strokes-gained leaders challenges conventional wisdom and might make you reconsider what belongs in your bag.
The conversation pivots to course conditions as we explore Coyote Springs' dramatic transformation. The maintenance team has allowed rough around bunkers to grow to punishing heights, creating "automatic penalties" for players who miss the fairway. This approach has turned an already challenging course into an even more formidable test - one that will humble even the most confident golfers. We compare its value against Piute, weighing factors beyond just price to help you decide which desert gem deserves your next tee time.
Dan shares the story of his recent albatross (or double eagle, depending on your preference), a statistical rarity even more uncommon than a hole-in-one. His driver-pitching wedge combination on a par 5 serves as a reminder that golf's most magical moments often arrive unexpectedly.
We also touch on Scottie Scheffler's dominant performance at the CJ Cup, where he tied the PGA Tour scoring record, and critique the disappointing television coverage of the recent Black Desert tournament that failed to showcase one of America's most visually stunning courses.
Whether you're debating your next equipment purchase, planning a Las Vegas golf trip, or simply looking for insights into what makes a golf course truly great, this episode delivers the perfect combination of practical advice and pure golf appreciation. Subscribe now and join our conversation about the game we all love.
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00:14 - Welcome and Introductions
03:30 - Yana Wilson's Victory and Tournament Updates
06:05 - Coyote Springs Course Conditions
09:50 - Dan's Albatross Story
16:20 - Coyote Springs vs. Piute Value Comparison
22:00 - Black Desert Tournament Coverage Issues
27:45 - Scottie Scheffler's Dominating Performance
32:25 - Custom Goodwood Putters Showcase
34:10 - Top 25 Putters in Golf Analysis
43:50 - Coyote Springs Bunker Conditions Discussion
49:15 - Closing Show Notes and Upcoming Events
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Welcome to the Chasing Daylight Podcast.
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Too much fun at that.
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What is up everybody?
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Welcome to another episode of the Chasing Daylight Podcast.
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My name is Matt, also known as 1440G.
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Golf on the gram, jeremy's with us, dan's with us, joe's with us, joe's in another buyer's giveaway, so he's manning the whatnot channel, so how how is everybody doing this evening?
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good, yeah, you're right good, great yeah good, yeah, you're right.
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Good, great, yeah, joe, what are you?
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What are you trying to win?
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Uh, shout out thrifty golf dmv.
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Uh he, uh.
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I bought a tr shaft a little bit ago on auction and uh, he's gonna give away to anybody that bought in the auction.
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Uh, a scotty cameron phantom 8, I believe, or a bernardi bb 23, I believe in plastic thrifty golf.
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There's so many good channels out there, so and man I tell you there's, it's a, it's a wormhole you can get uh heavily and very in, very easily.
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Very easily.
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I was watching a pool channel last night.
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I'm like shit, I've been watching this for an hour.
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I have bought like five knives in the past week.
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Oh, shit they're dope.
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Yeah, but they're dope.
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All right, rocky, thanks so much for tuning in on Instagram.
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We really appreciate you being here for the show.
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Anybody's watching on youtube.
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If you want to comment, please do, and we'll share those comments with the other uh, you know viewers of the show.
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I also want to get some love to the golf stop, the indoor track man facility located in west henderson in the saint rose corridor.
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Be sure to go check them out if you're.
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The heat is coming, he is coming for sure uh, they're, uh, those times will be filling up even faster now.
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Um and uh, yeah, roars golf and lots of things all superstore.
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Those are the people that love, oh, and scott russo, of course, for allowing us to use that intro harmonic, uh.
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So a quick rundown of some of the things that we may or may not be talking about tonight, cause, you know, sometimes she goes off the rails.
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Big congrats to Yana Wilson for her victory over the weekend at its Spanish trail, for her first career professional win on the Epson tour.
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She'll be in the LPGA field for Liberty National, which she's an ambassador for.
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Scotty Scheffler won before the Ryder Cup, to the chagrin of Phil Mickelson.
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He dominated, absolutely dominated, had a birdie to shoot the best score in a PGA Tour event ever, but he tied it.
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Black Desert refuses to have any good coverage of any tournament that they have out there.
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Coyote Springs we were out there.
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It's in absolutely fantastic shape.
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We haven't been out there.
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Get out there right now because the course is in great shape and had some crazy wind in the valley valley and some crazy weather yesterday too.
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So, yeah, yeah.
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Robbie nicks on the youtube what's joe going to do with that phantom?
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That head cover is not allowed in his bag.
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That's a great point, joe.
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What are you gonna do with that?
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For sure, yeah, no, I will sell it on my whatnot show.
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I'm sure uh rob rob was deep in the trenches with me yesterday watching people make ball markers.
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So uh, yeah big slim, he was out, out in the out there big slim was sending me messages saying you need to do this, team up with joe would do this, and I I meant to write it back but I never did.
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I was gonna tell him.
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I said you know I make enough mistakes doing it just by myself.
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So God forbid, live people bidding on it and I have to make it in front of them.
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That could not go well, but no, maybe we'll do it.
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I don't know, we'll see.
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Yeah, maybe one day, maybe one day.
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I do have a bunch of blank ball markers right now, so it is something that we could do, but you may have to do it really much.
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I got all my shit over here.
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The Goodwill around the corner.
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I came up on a very nice Foot Joy XL shirt with the Spanish Trail logo on the sleeve embroidered.
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So shout out, yana for that one.
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I mean I had to grab it.
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It was like six bucks, you know.
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Very clean.
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What's the golf club selection been in there, because it's never good.
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In Goodwill.
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Yeah, it's trash.
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I did grab a slotted Ping Answer an old one but you're not going to find anything good.
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I think they have people that monitor, like, what's going out to the stores.
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Um, I've even been to the goodwill like the bins.
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You know the bins where they just dump stuff, the clearance place?
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Um no, it's always old stuff, it's always never, never any the slotted ping answer is pretty cool yeah, somebody, somebody.
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Uh didn't know what that was.
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So what's up, miles, thanks for joining the ig chat um brown in the house miles brown in the house.
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Um.
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So let's talk coyote first, because that's where we were at.
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Well, Dan played.
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Hey, congrats on your albatross.
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Sir.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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There we go.
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That's your first career albatross.
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Yeah, first, one that's surprising as far as you hit the ball.
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Yeah, but still, there's a lot of luck involved in that one.
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Oh, of course there is, but I mean so, let's tell us about the shot, let's go over it.
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I mean an albatross is kind of a big deal.
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Yeah, it was, I forget what hole 14 or something like that, 13 or 14.
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What course Over there on the Sun Mountain, par 5.
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Hit a big drive.
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It was downwind but hit a big drive.
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I think Ty was probably like 360 out, I was like 345, 350.
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So we both hit pretty good bombs out there.
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And then, um, yeah, I had 165, uh, 158 was the cover over the bunker and with all that wind I was just like you know what.
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I think it's just a high pitching wedge and I hit it and it went right at the flag and took one bounce about four feet short and the second bounce was past the pin and we could just see it kind of rolling towards the hole and it just disappeared and kind of you got to see it go.
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Yeah, we actually could see it from the fairway so yeah, we all kind of went nuts, we went nuts and then, you know, the camera came out by the time I got to the green.
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That's awesome, that's always so cool.
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It was unexpected too, because Trey's a good looker now.
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Well, yeah, so far he's been there for the hole-in-one and the albatross, but yeah it was unexpected too, because I was not playing well.
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I hit a lot of bad shots, yeah, and all of a sudden that happened.
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In Albie it's harder to hit than an ace, I think Statistically that's what they say.
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It's hard to get to the green for a lot of players.
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What a flex.
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I had an albatross driver then pitching wedge yeah, all right, still it's a two on a par five it's a two.
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Yeah, it was a cool moment.
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It was a cool moment, for sure how was, uh, how was piute in that wind?
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It's, you know it never played out there in wind, I don't know what it's like yeah, I mean, uh, you know how that is, but uh, it's just, it's awesome did they give you?
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a headdress or anything for that or like any?
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no, no, I didn't get nothing.
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No table Table Copa.
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Pelly mask no, peace pipe nothing.
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Oh man, no little bag of peyote or nothing man.
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You got to step up their game.
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I know You're just 10% off at the weed store.
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Right, can you give me a coupon or nothing?
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Yeah, a coupon for new at least.
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Come on now.
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So, dan, since you've played coyote springs and piute on back to back days, everybody knows those are two of our favorite places to play golf at out here.
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What would you say, uh, is the better value right now, and take into consideration I know a lot of people that aren't from around here are going to freak out because piute's charging 300 bucks for golf right now, but we, you know, have, uh, our ways of getting reduced rates out there, so, uh, it's a little bit more comparable for us on price point.
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What would you say is more valuable?
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well, um, that's a good question, I, I think.
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I think right now that's a man, that's that's a good call, because coyote Springs is in really good shape.
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But the thing about coyote Springs is, even though it's cheaper to play right now, you still got to drive an hour out there to get out there.
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Yeah.
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And some people are going to hate that course, you know, because those greens will kick you in the teeth and a lot of people don't find the value in that, you know, while people like us would be like hell.
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Yeah, you know, like you know, it is what it is and but for the most part we enjoy those greens and we know, we know we're not going to have a straight putt ever.
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We know it's going to be tough to even two putt out there.
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But with piute you also have, you know, a little bit pricier but it's a little bit more.
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I think pi it's just always more consistently in good shape.
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So you, you know what you're going to get when you go to piute.
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It's always going to be in good shape.
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The greens are always going to be pretty good.
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They they're usually just as fast, if not faster, than Coyote Springs are, if you're into fast greens, and also a lot less subdued so people can enjoy them more.
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You can actually have them and stuff.
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But yeah, so it just depends on what you value in a golf course.
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But overall, right now, I mean that's a tough call.
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If I had to pick one, I'm going to go with Coyote Springs right now, only because Paiute's always in that shape and is very rare where Coyote Springs is like super, super tits, like it is right now.
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Fair point.
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So you know I'm going to go with Coyote Springs.
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Yeah, they're punching soon.
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Tuesday I think they started.
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Yeah.
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You might not want to go to Coyote.
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Springs right now.
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Don't go right now.
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Next two weeks, two, three weeks.
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Rob, you haven't had a question.
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Side question Does anyone prefer calling it a double eagle over albatross?
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Double eagle.
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Double eagle, jeremy.
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Joe, you're a double eagle, no little.
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No, no, I'm albatross, your albatross, dan.
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Yeah, I'm gonna.
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I call it albie, and now I'll be yeah, um, yeah, I kind of lean towards double eagle it sounds more proper.
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Yeah, it doesn't I mean double eagle.
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Yeah, I don't proper, I'd have Double Eagle yeah.
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I don't know, albatross is kind of like a silly word to say a little bit.
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I've always thought Double Eagle Seems like Albatross has gained traction in the last couple of years.
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Yeah, but Double Eagle is two under right, so a double would make it four, so that means true.
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That's why I don't like Double Eagle.
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That's true, that's why I don't like double eagle.
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That's true, joe.
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I don't like saying albatross, so that's why I say an albie.
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What if you have more than one albatross?
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Would it be albatry?
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Albatross Oz.
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What would be the multiple plural?
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We'll have to get albatrosseses yeah, he's the albacore king man.
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Double uh, beautiful golf courses chiming in on the uh chat on instagram says piute at best course in vegas is a steal at 300 for tourists.
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And uh y'all said, if I ever get one, I'll call it whatever yeah, that's yeah that's me, I, I, I'm, I'm happy, yeah uh let's see sorry to bring this up.
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I like that miles brown says uh sorry to bring this up, but for me went the end of 26th band in lottery and no one hit.
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All four have band in history, but for what happened?
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He's talking about not getting in the band in lottery when you've been before.
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Is that what you're talking about, Miles?
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Sorry to bring this up, but for me went for the end of 26, 26 band and lottery and no one hit I think, that people that have have been abandoned before did not get picked for picked for the lottery, which I've heard from someone else also.
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Um, I, yeah, I, you know, luckily, luckily we have been blessed to have been there a few times um, so it sucks, right, but there are other options, right?
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Um, you know, and it's just like the masters.
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None of us have ever hit for the masters lottery tickets.
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We do know somebody that went recently, but A couple people.
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It's tough man.
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Golf is fucking popular man and it's cool, but it sucks for those of us that actually truly appreciate it.
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You know what I mean.
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Mike's asking what's the goal of the lottery to get more people new people out there, or prioritize those who've already been?
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It's got to be to get new people out there.
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I would think so, right, there are other ways.
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The.
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So what people misunderstand about the lottery is the lottery is for the rooms, really Right?
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Yeah, Stay, stay in play stay on property.
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Me and Dan went.
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We we booked 30 days out and had a blast just staying at the lamplighter.
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Shut out the lamplighter, race food place, banning coffee.
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You're staying in the city.
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It was or the town or the village, if you will.
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Yeah, I mean there's perks to staying on the resort and I highly recommend you do it.
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But there's also perks for not staying on the resort, and you got to decide what you want.
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If anybody's gone and stayed off property, you need to stay on property.
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If you've gone and stayed on property, you need to go and stay off property.
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There's benefits to both sides.
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Yes, like I don't know, man, there's benefits to both just to be able to walk semi run through your wall.
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You know they got got space heaters all over the place.
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You're closer to Wilson's Market that way too.
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That's a benefit.
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Shout out Wilson's.
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I don't like the lottery either, Miles.
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Luckily, we've been a couple times.
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We've all seen the new lodging and the new courses.
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What is this pappy?
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Oh, people are having fun in the chat.
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Keep it up, keep going.
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It's buckley's, it's buckley's, buckley's.
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Shout out buckley's tavern, wilmingmington, delaware.
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Go check that place out.
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Great place.
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Okay, who, if anybody, watched the Black Desert for the LPGA?
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I was excited about this one, and then they got kind of shit on for TV because the tournament in Texas got rain delayed and pushed back and so the footage that was going to be on Golf Channel ended up being the PGA Tour, and so you didn't get a lot of TV time.
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And the TV time that they did have, again showing the same freaking holes over and over again, it's like 14, 15, 16, 17 was all they showed, and I just don't get it.
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It's such an amazing place.
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I mean, this is where the youtube golfers if you want to see black desert for what it is, go start watching youtube and and hit up some of the content creators that are out there, because that's how you're going to see it, and maybe that is what will get me excited about YouTube.
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Golf is being able to see places that need to be seen, that aren't being shown when they're given golden opportunities to show it.
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The thing about YouTube, too, is like when you watch, like what's Brian bros and grant doing their major series, like you get to see courses from angles and from the ground that you never see, even during like major coverage yeah so it's.
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I think.
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I mean I I think most of the most of the tournament that I saw was like youtube highlights and instagram highlights of black desert.
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That's all I saw and I probably more you know coverage.
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Yeah, I think you're right.
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I think YouTube that's that's an advantage is people are on the ground, they, they show you the facilities that you can kind of get the experience without being there, and that just doesn't happen on PGA tour coverage, no at all, and it's it's such a miss, it's such a miss.
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Yeah, what were you going to say?
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Black desert is so good.
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You know they, even during the the pga tournament that they played out there, they did not highlight and show off that course as well as it should have been shown off, you know?
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Um, obviously the landscape is probably pretty difficult to throw cameras everywhere when you can look for your ball and scrape your knee, just like Jeremy did.
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Hey, here's a no-pro.
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It is a spectacular course.
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I'm thankful that we all got to play it together before it got highlighted because it's increased in pricing.
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But it's definitely a sick course that should be highlighted.
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And St George is no longer the secret that it was four years ago.
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You know that is true.
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So much good golf out in St George so much.
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Mark commenting.
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Michelle, we commented on the number of cameras dedicated to LPGA events versus PGA events.
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Not sure how accurate it is, but she thinks she said it's like 12.
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On course, cameras to 100.
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Jeez, I wouldn't doubt that uh robbie says the contract is horrible, but black desert doesn't have access space for many holes four through seven, but mostly the back is open.
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